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DMWalking  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:15:30 AM
When I was leaving for work this morning, I noticed a small pile of white powder sitting on the pavement right below the gas tank on my roommates car.

How much is she screwed right now?
Keith_J  [Life Member]
11/15/2012 9:16:41 AM
She? Pictures, man up

Sugar does not dissolve in gasoline. It might clog the sock on the intake of the in-tank pump but that is about it.
DMWalking  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:17:35 AM
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
She? Pictures, man up

Sugar does not dissolve in gasoline. It might clog the sock on the intake of the in-tank pump but that is about it.


You don't want a picture....trust me. She is the type of girl that only takes pictures of her face...and there is a reason for it.
FZ1Steve  [Member]
11/15/2012 9:18:48 AM
If she has not started or tried to start the car, flushing the tank should take care of it.
jeep450  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:19:34 AM
DON'T START IT!!!!!


Tow it to a repair shop and have them remove the fuel tank and clean it and everything will be fine.

If she drives it, it will cost her MUCH more money.
GeorgiaBII  [Member]
11/15/2012 9:21:56 AM
Actually I think the fuel filter will keep damage from occurring.

that said flush the tank before starting the vehicle.
stockshift  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:23:49 AM
I thought Mythbusters did an episode on this one. My recollection is that they said sugar does not cause catastrophic damage. Will have to check and see.
RightwingNutjob  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:26:46 AM
I don't think it'd make it out of the tank either, the screen over the intake tube is very fine. Then there's no way any of it would make it through the filter if it got that far. I guess towing it is cheap insurance against getting stranded on the way in though.
jeep450  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:27:20 AM
Originally Posted By stockshift:
I thought Mythbusters did an episode on this one. My recollection is that they said sugar does not cause catastrophic damage. Will have to check and see.


As a professional auto technician, I can say regardless of what that show says, it can do major damage that cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars to fix. I have repaired lots of cars over the years from sugar in the fuel tank.

The worst one I ever repaired was from maple syrup.
rosejackets67  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:27:32 AM
It won't hurt anything major... maybe clog the pickup in the tank or fuel filter, but she'll be fine.
thawntex  [Member]
11/15/2012 9:28:09 AM
Originally Posted By DMWalking:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
She? Pictures, man up

Sugar does not dissolve in gasoline. It might clog the sock on the intake of the in-tank pump but that is about it.


You don't want a picture....trust me. She is the type of girl that only takes pictures of her face...and there is a reason for it.


In that case, maybe she was just eating a doughnut the last time she got out of her car. Her waddly gait probably caused some of the sugary sprinkles to fall to the ground.

You're welcome.
rosejackets67  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:28:42 AM
Originally Posted By jeep450:
Originally Posted By stockshift:
I thought Mythbusters did an episode on this one. My recollection is that they said sugar does not cause catastrophic damage. Will have to check and see.


As a professional auto technician, I can say regardless of what that show says, it can do major damage that cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars to fix. I have repaired lots of cars over the years from sugar in the fuel tank.

The worst one I ever repaired was from maple syrup.


What needed repaired? This runs counter to my experience. How did the sugar cause damage?

ETA: And how did you know the sugar (or maple syrup) was actually the cause or that it was in there at all?
geekz0r  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:29:16 AM
http://www.snopes.com/autos/grace/sugar.asp

according to the snopes, it won't dissolve, but it can still cause damage because it's a granular substance in your gas tank.

Yet, even though the sugar will not reach the engine in either syrup or solid state, it can clog the fuel filter or the fuel injectors, a circumstance which could stop a car. A little sugar in the tank could be dealt with by no more than having to change the fuel filter a few times, but a heavier sugaring would require the gas tank be removed from the car and dumped out.


snopes also claims that will run you $100-200 but I'd call around first to find out.

and this is perhaps a good reason to have fuel doors you can't open from the outside. Not just protection against tampering but protection against gas thieves too.
bcauz3y  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:33:07 AM

Originally Posted By stockshift:
I thought Mythbusters did an episode on this one. My recollection is that they said sugar does not cause catastrophic damage. Will have to check and see.

Correct.
jeep450  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:34:56 AM
Originally Posted By rosejackets67:
Originally Posted By jeep450:
Originally Posted By stockshift:
I thought Mythbusters did an episode on this one. My recollection is that they said sugar does not cause catastrophic damage. Will have to check and see.


As a professional auto technician, I can say regardless of what that show says, it can do major damage that cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars to fix. I have repaired lots of cars over the years from sugar in the fuel tank.

The worst one I ever repaired was from maple syrup.


What needed repaired? This runs counter to my experience. How did the sugar cause damage?

ETA: And how did you know the sugar (or maple syrup) was actually the cause or that it was in there at all?


I've seen sugar make it all the way to the fuel injectors and clog the screens up. Crystallize in the fuel lines and not be able to flush it out. The maple syrup car, it made it through the fuel injector and sprayed out. It caused the vales to stick. Had to remove the heads and have them worked. Replace fuel tank, injectors, injector rails, fuel lines.


My point is if she does not start it, what is in the tank will stay in it. Easier and cheaper to deal with it now than chance it.




Edit for follow up question

Sugar was in the screens on the injectors and taste it. Maple syrup you could feel in the gas and smell it and taste it. Had to be at least 1/2 gallon of syrup in it.
DMWalking  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:34:59 AM
Originally Posted By jeep450:
Originally Posted By stockshift:
I thought Mythbusters did an episode on this one. My recollection is that they said sugar does not cause catastrophic damage. Will have to check and see.


As a professional auto technician, I can say regardless of what that show says, it can do major damage that cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars to fix. I have repaired lots of cars over the years from sugar in the fuel tank.

The worst one I ever repaired was from maple syrup.


What about Bleach?
bcauz3y  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:35:39 AM

Originally Posted By DMWalking:
Originally Posted By jeep450:
Originally Posted By stockshift:
I thought Mythbusters did an episode on this one. My recollection is that they said sugar does not cause catastrophic damage. Will have to check and see.


As a professional auto technician, I can say regardless of what that show says, it can do major damage that cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars to fix. I have repaired lots of cars over the years from sugar in the fuel tank.

The worst one I ever repaired was from maple syrup.


What about Bleach?

Oh lord....

Bad.
VBC  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:35:53 AM
Have you confirmed that the pile of white powder is indeed sugar?

Herc  [Member]
11/15/2012 9:37:34 AM
Keep in mind that gasoline is not necessarily the only thing in the tank, and that if the cap is off and they can put sugar in, they can also introduce other substances at the same time.

9 times out of 10 sugar on the filler neck is no big deal. A pump sock and a filter, maybe clean the tank out is all that is needed.
DMWalking  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:37:43 AM
Originally Posted By VBC:
Have you confirmed that the pile of white powder is indeed sugar?



Yes...I received a call after I got to work.
jeep450  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:37:46 AM
Never seen bleach before. Never thought of it either.
Mr-L  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:38:02 AM
Originally Posted By DMWalking:
want a picture....trust me. She is the type of girl that only takes pictures of her face...and there is a reason for it.


We still want to see the picture, you know the rules...
DMWalking  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:39:06 AM
Originally Posted By jeep450:
Never seen bleach before. Never thought of it either.


Supposedly it counters the oil in the engine...
DMWalking  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:39:24 AM
Originally Posted By Mr-L:
Originally Posted By DMWalking:
want a picture....trust me. She is the type of girl that only takes pictures of her face...and there is a reason for it.


We still want to see the picture, you know the rules...


I don't have one.
cchurchi  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:40:06 AM
What does coke do to an engine.

Coca-cola.
Keith_J  [Life Member]
11/15/2012 9:40:20 AM

Originally Posted By Mr-L:
Originally Posted By DMWalking:
want a picture....trust me. She is the type of girl that only takes pictures of her face...and there is a reason for it.


We still want to see the picture, you know the rules...

There are chubby-chasers here. I call them 'slow'

Danner130  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:40:37 AM
Add some salt and lemon juice to balance out the sweetness. Service with bread and salad.
shotgunfatcat  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:40:43 AM


Reminded me of this, bare with me.
h3smith  [Member]
11/15/2012 9:42:25 AM
Originally Posted By jeep450:
Originally Posted By stockshift:
I thought Mythbusters did an episode on this one. My recollection is that they said sugar does not cause catastrophic damage. Will have to check and see.


As a professional auto technician, I can say regardless of what that show says, it can do major damage that cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars to fix. I have repaired lots of cars over the years from sugar in the fuel tank.

The worst one I ever repaired was from maple syrup.


canadian crime of passion?
knifewrench  [Member]
11/15/2012 9:45:51 AM
Originally Posted By thawntex:
Originally Posted By DMWalking:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
She? Pictures, man up

Sugar does not dissolve in gasoline. It might clog the sock on the intake of the in-tank pump but that is about it.


You don't want a picture....trust me. She is the type of girl that only takes pictures of her face...and there is a reason for it.


In that case, maybe she was just eating a doughnut the last time she got out of her car. Her waddly gait probably caused some of the sugary sprinkles to fall to the ground.

You're welcome.


Fucking Hardy Boys shit right here folks.
gaweidert  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:47:59 AM
I have heard of cases where mothballs can cause an engine to run away and blow.
FlyingGorilla  [Member]
11/15/2012 9:49:03 AM
As people have said, don't start the car, get it towed to a shop and let them pull the tank and clean it. You don't want to make the problem worse than it is.

I went through several fuel pumps and a bunch of fuel filters before we figured out we had sugar in the tank of my just pruchased first car. Had the tank cleaned and blew lots of alcohol through the fuel lines, replaced all the rubber lines, the fuel pump and filter and then it was finally good.

Lesson learned? Never buy a car from a guy who got caught screwing around on his very jealous and vindictive wife.
mamasboy  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:52:24 AM
I thought this was gonna be a ghey thread.
stockshift  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 9:52:25 AM
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:

Originally Posted By stockshift:
I thought Mythbusters did an episode on this one. My recollection is that they said sugar does not cause catastrophic damage. Will have to check and see.

Correct.


I am no auto tech, but this is what Mythbusters' web site says:

Link


This myth has been around almost as long as there have been automobiles. On Halloween, the older and less scrupulous trick-or-treaters go around the neighborhood putting sugar in the neighbor's gas tanks because it will destroy the engines. Or maybe an angry homeowner uses this trick to get revenge on a neighbor for the loud parties he or she likes to throw. The premise is that the sugar will caramelize and form a thick sludge that clogs your fuel lines and gunks up the carburetor. However, scientific studies have failed to produce evidence of such a reaction resulting in damage to an engine. Very little of the sugar even remains inside the engine long enough to do harm. Because sugar is particulate matter, it could conceivably cause damage to an engine the same way that sand and dirt can, but the sugar would have to be added to the gasoline repeatedly for any significant damage to occur. So you'll have to find a better method of getting revenge on the neighbor whose noisy car engine wakes you up early every Saturday morning.




morningwood1429  [Member]
11/15/2012 9:54:57 AM
Originally Posted By DMWalking:
Originally Posted By jeep450:
Never seen bleach before. Never thought of it either.


Supposedly it counters the oil in the engine...


Bleach is a super oxidizer and causes things to rust that normally wouldn't
Skibane  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 10:00:38 AM
jeep450  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 10:02:15 AM


30 seconds tops to get that off.
Herc  [Member]
11/15/2012 10:04:21 AM
Originally Posted By jeep450:


30 seconds tops to get that off.


Slowpoke.
jeep450  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 10:05:37 AM
Originally Posted By Herc:
Originally Posted By jeep450:


30 seconds tops to get that off.


Slowpoke.


I said tops might have to scratch your ass.
DRich  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 10:06:10 AM
Two of my newer Fords don't even have gas caps. One of them doesn't have an internal release for the filler door. Seems like an open invitation for pranksters unless they are more tamper resistant than they look.

Herc  [Member]
11/15/2012 10:07:39 AM
Originally Posted By jeep450:
Originally Posted By Herc:
Originally Posted By jeep450:


30 seconds tops to get that off.


Slowpoke.


I said tops might have to scratch your ass.


Good point, I musta skipped that part.
cvtrpr  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 10:10:25 AM
I don't remember how much the repair bill was, but judging by the expulsion from seventh grade and the premium ass-whoopin I got from my dad, it cost quite a bit to repair the fuel system of my assistant band teacher's Volkswagen.
Silver_Surfer  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 10:10:46 AM
Originally Posted By DRich:
Two of my newer Fords don't even have gas caps. One of them doesn't have an internal release for the filler door. Seems like an open invitation for pranksters unless they are more tamper resistant than they look.

http://www.ford.com/resources/lincoln/mks/2012/featurecategories/mks12_feat_billboard_easyfuel.jpg


I've seen thoes. I dont think they thought about dusty roads?
DRich  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 10:15:19 AM
Originally Posted By Silver_Surfer:
Originally Posted By DRich:
Two of my newer Fords don't even have gas caps. One of them doesn't have an internal release for the filler door. Seems like an open invitation for pranksters unless they are more tamper resistant than they look.

http://www.ford.com/resources/lincoln/mks/2012/featurecategories/mks12_feat_billboard_easyfuel.jpg


I've seen thoes. I dont think they thought about dusty roads?


Well, I have to drive almost 10 miles on caliche roads to find pavement from my front door and I haven't had any dust issues yet. There is a rubber gasket inside the filler door that "seems" to seal pretty well when it's closed. I guess time will tell if I end up spending a fortune on fuel filters.
jeep450  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 10:16:48 AM
Originally Posted By DRich:
Originally Posted By Silver_Surfer:
Originally Posted By DRich:
Two of my newer Fords don't even have gas caps. One of them doesn't have an internal release for the filler door. Seems like an open invitation for pranksters unless they are more tamper resistant than they look.

http://www.ford.com/resources/lincoln/mks/2012/featurecategories/mks12_feat_billboard_easyfuel.jpg


I've seen thoes. I dont think they thought about dusty roads?


Well, I have to drive almost 10 miles on caliche roads to find pavement from my front door and I haven't had any dust issues yet. There is a rubber gasket inside the filler door that "seems" to seal pretty well when it's closed. I guess time will tell if I end up spending a fortune on fuel filters.



I bet the fuel filter is in the tank. May want to inquire about that at your dealer.

Herc  [Member]
11/15/2012 10:17:29 AM
Originally Posted By DRich:
Two of my newer Fords don't even have gas caps. One of them doesn't have an internal release for the filler door. Seems like an open invitation for pranksters unless they are more tamper resistant than they look.

http://www.ford.com/resources/lincoln/mks/2012/featurecategories/mks12_feat_billboard_easyfuel.jpg


Those are actually safer than a normal filler neck/cap setup when it comes to putting stuff in the gas tank.

You cannot open the little flap without pushing back a bunch of bearings that unlock the flap, the only way to do it is to use a tube the right diameter IE: a gas nozzle or the funnel they give you with the vehicle. You can cut down a tranny funnel to do the job, but it is not something a hooligan dumping sugar in a tank is going to have on him, and a screwdriver will not do the job. If they do try putting something in your tank, it will just sit in the neck until you clean it out.
SteelonSteel  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 10:19:45 AM
Engine will be fine but your rack and pinion will look like this from tooth decay ––––>



PARover  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 10:23:08 AM
Round-Up is the worst...

PAR
lcplblazer  [Member]
11/15/2012 10:34:34 AM
Originally Posted By VBC:
Have you confirmed that the pile of white powder is indeed sugar?



"I'm sure, Staci's sure, Holly's sure...."

m-dc  [Team Member]
11/15/2012 10:36:17 AM
Originally Posted By Herc:
Originally Posted By DRich:
Two of my newer Fords don't even have gas caps. One of them doesn't have an internal release for the filler door. Seems like an open invitation for pranksters unless they are more tamper resistant than they look.

http://www.ford.com/resources/lincoln/mks/2012/featurecategories/mks12_feat_billboard_easyfuel.jpg


Those are actually safer than a normal filler neck/cap setup when it comes to putting stuff in the gas tank.

You cannot open the little flap without pushing back a bunch of bearings that unlock the flap, the only way to do it is to use a tube the right diameter IE: a gas nozzle or the funnel they give you with the vehicle. You can cut down a tranny funnel to do the job, but it is not something a hooligan dumping sugar in a tank is going to have on him, and a screwdriver will not do the job. If they do try putting something in your tank, it will just sit in the neck until you clean it out.


You could also walk out to your car and find a stupid Perps finger stuck in the flap. As far as the bearings and all mentioned above just take funnel without the lip at the end and it wont get stuck in the fuel nozzel.

GlockZen  [Member]
11/15/2012 10:36:24 AM
I thought sugar in the gas tank was thing of the past, isn't there a filter /grate where the anti-siphon thingamob is near the fuel Port?

<––- Bear in mind this question from a guy, he only changes wiper blades on his car.