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 Does anyone use Hydrogen peroxide for a mouth wash?
Plasteredtex  [Member]
8/12/2012 9:47:17 AM EST
The SO told me the other day that she read somewhere that using it would get your mouth super clean and whiten your teeth better than any over the counter stuff you can buy at the store.

tried it this morning, and it seems to work in the cleaning department, not sure about whiting yet.

anyone do this?

Any side effects?
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andrasik  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 9:48:15 AM EST
Plasteredtex  [Member]
8/12/2012 9:52:46 AM EST


so... dont swallow it
Wespe  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 9:56:29 AM EST
I wouldn't use it. Even diluted, it can be very hard on your tongue and gums and cause irritation.
Plasteredtex  [Member]
8/12/2012 9:58:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By Wespe:
I wouldn't use it. Even diluted, it can be very hard on your tongue and gums and cause irritation.


it cant be any harder on them than a can of Copenhagen a day
MarkNH  [Life Member]
8/12/2012 9:58:46 AM EST



(H2O = water, H2O2 = hydrogen peroxide)

Gargling with it shouldn't be harmful in the 3% or 10% concentrations you normally find it sold in. Higher concentrations are used as industrial bleach and as a component in rocket fuel so I would probably avoid wallowing too much of that.
vedubin01  [Member]
8/12/2012 10:02:14 AM EST
I do it every now and then. Dont fill your mouth up as it will start foaming. It will taste like crap and you will have to re brush afterwards. It leaves your mouth feeling much cleaner.
Wespe  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 10:03:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By MarkNH:



(H2O = water, H2O2 = hydrogen peroxide)

Gargling with it shouldn't be harmful in the 3% or 10% concentrations you normally find it sold in. Higher concentrations are used as industrial bleach and as a component in rocket fuel so I would probably avoid wallowing too much of that.


10% is much too high. I believe the recommended concentration for rinsing the mouth is 2%, some even recommend diluting that by half with water.
wspe1  [Member]
8/12/2012 10:05:09 AM EST
I would be very cautious you could do some serious injury to yourself even death.
Plasteredtex  [Member]
8/12/2012 10:05:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By Wespe:
Originally Posted By MarkNH:



(H2O = water, H2O2 = hydrogen peroxide)

Gargling with it shouldn't be harmful in the 3% or 10% concentrations you normally find it sold in. Higher concentrations are used as industrial bleach and as a component in rocket fuel so I would probably avoid wallowing too much of that.


10% is much too high. I believe the recommended concentration for rinsing the mouth is 2%, some even recommend diluting that by half with water.


i am using 3%
AGW  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 10:16:55 AM EST
It's part of the standard oral care kit for vented patients in the hospital. Have at it. Better to brush or do a quick swish/spit with it rather than use it like mouthwash though.

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ThePontificator  [Member]
8/12/2012 10:22:05 AM EST
I was a Navy DT (dental technician) and I can tell you that you should only use H202 if you've diluted it to a 50% solution but then again the bottle says that as well.
TheBigAR2003  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 10:32:40 AM EST
my grandmother used to wash my mothers mouth out with peroxide
she doesn't swear
FridgeBrilliance  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 10:34:53 AM EST
I do, but definetly not every day. 3% hydrogen peroxide, diluted 50/50 with water. I wouldn't mess with that formulation. Hydrogen peroxide is a debriding agent. So unless you have infection problems/really bad teeth/gum problems like I do, it isn't really going to be of much use to you and will probably be more irritating than do any good.
pivoproseem  [Member]
8/12/2012 10:40:33 AM EST
If you use it at 3%, it will bleach your gums. Dilute like the previous posters stated.
Angel_King  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 10:42:57 AM EST
Not as a mouth wash but it sure does a great job for sore throats.
dalesimpson  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 10:45:01 AM EST
I've used it for a rinse when I had a sore in my mouth.
AirRaceFan  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 10:47:13 AM EST
I always heard it would cause you to grow hair on your tongue.

Seriously, I wonder if it could possibly damage the enamel of your teeth if not diluted or used frequently.
floater33  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 10:48:36 AM EST
Uncle is a dentist, my whole family has been brushing with regular toothpaste and a capful of hydrogen peroxide at every brushing.
We all have extremely white teeth without extra cleanings.
I think it works great.
92muddyXJ  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 10:53:56 AM EST
Yes. Works great.

I rinse with it in the shower. Just take a small mouthfull while showering, swish around for a while as long as you can stand it, it foams a lot. Then spit. Has a wierd not so great taste but it works great.
BlammO  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 10:57:08 AM EST

I rinse with it every day. Been doing that for several years, especially as a pre-rinse for brushing. I use 3% without further dilution and it's harmless. My dental checkups go better and I spend less time getting my teeth cleaned as well.

H2O2 is an oxidizer. It murders free bacteria and attacks proteins. The bacteria that cause plaque are largely anaerobic and H2O2 liberates oxygen as it decomposes. I don't think it will lessen established plaque deposits, but it will kill the bacteria that form it. Yes, it will break down a few weak cells in your mouth too, but not as fast as your body naturally replaces them. I wouldn't recommend using it if you have open wounds in the mouth as it is harmful to unprotected cells.

As for whitening, I haven't observed any difference. But my teeth aren't yellow to begin with.
sturmjr  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 11:03:32 AM EST
antiseptic Listerine kills 99% of bacteria (fact, not marketing) and works just fine. If you want to bleach, grab some strips.

You could get your dentist to make you a bleach tray but go online and buy "Opalescence" from Amazon or Ebay. It's actual prescription grade bleach that dentists sell for hundreds of bucks and you can buy it online through dentists who are selling slightly over cost to make some money on the side, at about $25 for a 4 pack.

Stick to 15% concentration if you go that route. Also, if you have Essex retainers (the clear retainer that looks like invisalign) from braces, you can just use that as a bleaching tray. Just be careful to not get the bleach on your gums or it'll burn. Bleach trays are essentially retainers that are cut to the contour of the tooth so they don't sit over your gums and allow the bleach to squeeze up against your gums when you put it on.

You can use hydrogen peroxide if you want.....but Listerine and home bleaching kits works for me.
MidwestJ  [Member]
8/12/2012 11:08:34 AM EST
When I do, I cut it down with a mix of water and mouthwash added to it. if you do straight hydro-peroxide, man it does foam up like crazy and you can't ever get rid of the taste/thirst that comes after that.

But, every once in a while I'll use it.
Calash  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 11:08:36 AM EST
I do, but definetly not every day. 3% hydrogen peroxide, diluted 50/50 with water. I wouldn't mess with that formulation. Hydrogen peroxide is a debriding agent. So unless you have infection problems/really bad teeth/gum problems like I do, it isn't really going to be of much use to you and will probably be more irritating than do any good.

Mostly This
I always put some in my water-pic.Keeps the insides of the water-pic clean and cleans out gum pockets.
jjc155  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 11:09:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By Plasteredtex:


so... dont swallow it


there was a guy that I dealt with at work who drank peroxide everyday (not sure how much) but he lived to be over 90.

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Drsalee  [Life Member]
8/12/2012 11:10:59 AM EST
Google black hairy tongue before you make your decision.
Notched  [Member]
8/12/2012 11:18:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By Drsalee:
Google black hairy tongue before you make your decision.



yes... do that and see that the use of hydrogen peroxide is not mentioned as a contributing factor

LurchAddams  [Member]
8/12/2012 11:20:39 AM EST
I use it occasionally. Works great.

Hydrogen peroxide is only $1/bottle. Since it's not highly profitable, you won't see any commercials.

Listerine is mostly water and alcohol. Probably costs about 2c/bottle to make, and sells for $5/bottle. So you'll see lots of commercials...
Plasteredtex  [Member]
8/12/2012 11:25:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By Drsalee:
Google black hairy tongue before you make your decision.


while horrific looking, what does that have to do with using peroxide for mouth wash?
retroangles  [Member]
8/12/2012 11:31:11 AM EST
I mix half n half with water. Perfect for cancre type mouth sores. I rinse with the Perixide water mix, then rinse with a lemon juice water mix right after. That will cure mouth sores within a day or two!
raven  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 11:37:25 AM EST
I use it nearly every day, 1x a day after flossing and before brushing. My hygienist said that using it frequently makes the gums toughen up (bad thing) but my gums were fine according to her.
Heartbreaker1373  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 11:44:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By Plasteredtex:
The SO told me the other day that she read somewhere that using it would get your mouth super clean and whiten your teeth better than any over the counter stuff you can buy at the store.

tried it this morning, and it seems to work in the cleaning department, not sure about whiting yet.

anyone do this?

Any side effects?


Isn't it poisonous?
ETA: As in, you shouldn't drink the shit.
They sell toothpastes with it in it, IIRC.
A_G  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 11:52:34 AM EST
I used to use it, straight from the bottle at 3%. That is too powerful, and kills all the good flora in your mouth. That is why "black hair tongue" can come about, IIRC. Also, it tends to irritate and feels fucking caustic at that concentration, 2X a day, every day. I now only put a little in the water pick and that's it. I don't water pick every day though. I just use generic Listerine and brush. Dentist says my gums are fine and my teeth are ok.

You're better off flossing, using a Listerine type rinse, and brushing. I'm sure the dentists here will chime in with better advice.
E__WOK  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 11:53:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By retroangles:
I mix half n half with water. Perfect for cancre type mouth sores. I rinse with the Perixide water mix, then rinse with a lemon juice water mix right after. That will cure mouth sores within a day or two!


HERPES
Plasteredtex  [Member]
8/12/2012 11:54:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By A_G:
I used to use it, straight from the bottle at 3%. That is too powerful, and kills all the good flora in your mouth. That is why "black hair tongue" can come about, IIRC. Also, it tends to irritate and feels fucking caustic at that concentration, 2X a day, every day. I now only put a little in the water pick and that's it. I don't water pick every day though. I just use generic Listerine and brush. Dentist says my gums are fine and my teeth are ok.

You're better off flossing, using a Listerine type rinse, and brushing. I'm sure the dentists here will chime in with better advice.


maybe i should go see a dentist. Haven't been in over 20 years

but i have strait healthy teeth, i think anyways
Progun1911  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 11:59:04 AM EST
I use it to clean out my ears,pour some in let it fizz a while then Q-tip them out .
14TheKid  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 12:01:40 PM EST
When all else fails, follow the directions on the bottle.


You're welcome.
cedjunior  [Member]
8/12/2012 12:16:48 PM EST
All of those whitening mouthwashes are just mint flavored H2O2. I've been using the crest stuff in the white bottle for a couple years now. My teeth are pretty white without that bleached chiclet look that you can get from whitening kits. I've never had any bad side effects.
sturmjr  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 6:42:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
I use it occasionally. Works great.

Hydrogen peroxide is only $1/bottle. Since it's not highly profitable, you won't see any commercials.

Listerine is mostly water and alcohol. Probably costs about 2c/bottle to make, and sells for $5/bottle. So you'll see lots of commercials...


Ummmm......there's a lot more to it than that.

I'll just put it this way, when performing oral surgeries, we would have the patient rinse with Listerine prior to starting the procedure and drugging them up. This is an infection control procedure for any medical provider performing any procedure in the oral mucosa, in the military.

No surgeon, dentist, ER doc, etc has bottles of hydrogen peroxide in their rooms for oral rinsing. If price was the only factor, don't you think they would want to save money in their practice by using it?

You can use it just fine, but it's not preferred or ideal. The whole purpose is to kill bacteria. You will do this with an alcohol based mouth rinse or hydrogen peroxide. Difference is, rinses marketed specifically for oral use incorporate other ingredients; such as fluoride. The other issue with hydrogen peroxide is xerostomia (dry mouth).
AJK07734  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 6:46:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By MarkNH:



(H2O = water, H2O2 = hydrogen peroxide)

Gargling with it shouldn't be harmful in the 3% or 10% concentrations you normally find it sold in. Higher concentrations are used as industrial bleach and as a component in rocket fuel so I would probably avoid wallowing too much of that.


There was a 2-part mouthwash that was available for a while that mixed regular ME with peroxide..as long as you're spitting it out it wont hurt you
MrFisher  [Member]
8/12/2012 6:47:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By sturmjr:
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
I use it occasionally. Works great.

Hydrogen peroxide is only $1/bottle. Since it's not highly profitable, you won't see any commercials.

Listerine is mostly water and alcohol. Probably costs about 2c/bottle to make, and sells for $5/bottle. So you'll see lots of commercials...


Ummmm......there's a lot more to it than that.

I'll just put it this way, when performing oral surgeries, we would have the patient rinse with Listerine prior to starting the procedure and drugging them up. This is an infection control procedure for any medical provider performing any procedure in the oral mucosa, in the military.

No surgeon, dentist, ER doc, etc has bottles of hydrogen peroxide in their rooms for oral rinsing. If price was the only factor, don't you think they would want to save money in their practice by using it?


That's not why they do it:
In 2010 a study was published which noted that performing a brief 30 second rinse with Listerine (Vanilla Mint Flavor) prior to applying topical lidocaine to patients mouths masks the unpleasant flavor of topical lidocaine. It is suspected this may help improve the comfort of a variety of oral procedures performed by dentists and oral surgeons.[13]

sturmjr  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 6:50:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By MrFisher:
Originally Posted By sturmjr:
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
I use it occasionally. Works great.

Hydrogen peroxide is only $1/bottle. Since it's not highly profitable, you won't see any commercials.

Listerine is mostly water and alcohol. Probably costs about 2c/bottle to make, and sells for $5/bottle. So you'll see lots of commercials...


Ummmm......there's a lot more to it than that.

I'll just put it this way, when performing oral surgeries, we would have the patient rinse with Listerine prior to starting the procedure and drugging them up. This is an infection control procedure for any medical provider performing any procedure in the oral mucosa, in the military.

No surgeon, dentist, ER doc, etc has bottles of hydrogen peroxide in their rooms for oral rinsing. If price was the only factor, don't you think they would want to save money in their practice by using it?


That's not why they do it:
In 2010 a study was published which noted that performing a brief 30 second rinse with Listerine (Vanilla Mint Flavor) prior to applying topical lidocaine to patients mouths masks the unpleasant flavor of topical lidocaine. It is suspected this may help improve the comfort of a variety of oral procedures performed by dentists and oral surgeons.[13]



I promise you that is why WE do it. It reduces bacteria transmission through aerosols and splatter. While patient comfort is a concern, nobody uses listerine to make them more comfortable. Most patients bitch because "it burns."

Lol, you couldn't have cited a more irrelevant article.
Schlange  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 6:55:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By Drsalee:
Google black hairy tongue before you make your decision.

EWWWWWWW!


MonkTx  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 6:56:22 PM EST
I'll stick with Clorox. You people gargling with weird shit are just asking for trouble.
myitinaw  [Life Member]
8/12/2012 7:03:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By BlammO:

I rinse with it every day. Been doing that for several years, especially as a pre-rinse for brushing. I use 3% without further dilution and it's harmless. My dental checkups go better and I spend less time getting my teeth cleaned as well.

H2O2 is an oxidizer. It murders free bacteria and attacks proteins. The bacteria that cause plaque are largely anaerobic and H2O2 liberates oxygen as it decomposes. I don't think it will lessen established plaque deposits, but it will kill the bacteria that form it. Yes, it will break down a few weak cells in your mouth too, but not as fast as your body naturally replaces them. I wouldn't recommend using it if you have open wounds in the mouth as it is harmful to unprotected cells.

As for whitening, I haven't observed any difference. But my teeth aren't yellow to begin with.


exact same experience here


Alien  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 7:10:21 PM EST
I use it every now and then. Had to use it several times when I had an infection in my mouth due to wisdom teeth and pus was draining out of the infection.
Nick29  [Team Member]
8/12/2012 7:11:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By MrFisher:
Originally Posted By sturmjr:
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
I use it occasionally. Works great.

Hydrogen peroxide is only $1/bottle. Since it's not highly profitable, you won't see any commercials.

Listerine is mostly water and alcohol. Probably costs about 2c/bottle to make, and sells for $5/bottle. So you'll see lots of commercials...


Ummmm......there's a lot more to it than that.

I'll just put it this way, when performing oral surgeries, we would have the patient rinse with Listerine prior to starting the procedure and drugging them up. This is an infection control procedure for any medical provider performing any procedure in the oral mucosa, in the military.

No surgeon, dentist, ER doc, etc has bottles of hydrogen peroxide in their rooms for oral rinsing. If price was the only factor, don't you think they would want to save money in their practice by using it?


That's not why they do it:
In 2010 a study was published which noted that performing a brief 30 second rinse with Listerine (Vanilla Mint Flavor) prior to applying topical lidocaine to patients mouths masks the unpleasant flavor of topical lidocaine. It is suspected this may help improve the comfort of a variety of oral procedures performed by dentists and oral surgeons.[13]


lol I don't know why I went to dental school when I could have learned everything I needed to know on Arfcom and Youtube. . .


Personally, if I have a patient use a pre-op rinse, it's usually peridex, although I haven't seen any research comparing it to listerine (the listerine people are very careful not to claim that it's useful as a pre-op rinse fwiw). I doubt it makes much of a difference either way.

Using full strength hydrogen peroxide as a daily rinse is like using a flamethrower to mow your lawn; it'll get rid of a lot of bad stuff, but it can do a lot of damage in the process.

eta: just for clarification, swabbing an area or using diluted hydrogen peroxide for an acute problem are not the same thing as using it as a regular mouthwash.

popsickles  [Member]
8/12/2012 7:21:57 PM EST


sturmjr  [Team Member]
8/13/2012 10:05:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By Nick29:

Originally Posted By MrFisher:
Originally Posted By sturmjr:
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
I use it occasionally. Works great.

Hydrogen peroxide is only $1/bottle. Since it's not highly profitable, you won't see any commercials.

Listerine is mostly water and alcohol. Probably costs about 2c/bottle to make, and sells for $5/bottle. So you'll see lots of commercials...


Ummmm......there's a lot more to it than that.

I'll just put it this way, when performing oral surgeries, we would have the patient rinse with Listerine prior to starting the procedure and drugging them up. This is an infection control procedure for any medical provider performing any procedure in the oral mucosa, in the military.

No surgeon, dentist, ER doc, etc has bottles of hydrogen peroxide in their rooms for oral rinsing. If price was the only factor, don't you think they would want to save money in their practice by using it?


That's not why they do it:
In 2010 a study was published which noted that performing a brief 30 second rinse with Listerine (Vanilla Mint Flavor) prior to applying topical lidocaine to patients mouths masks the unpleasant flavor of topical lidocaine. It is suspected this may help improve the comfort of a variety of oral procedures performed by dentists and oral surgeons.[13]


lol I don't know why I went to dental school when I could have learned everything I needed to know on Arfcom and Youtube. . .


Personally, if I have a patient use a pre-op rinse, it's usually peridex, although I haven't seen any research comparing it to listerine (the listerine people are very careful not to claim that it's useful as a pre-op rinse fwiw). I doubt it makes much of a difference either way.

Using full strength hydrogen peroxide as a daily rinse is like using a flamethrower to mow your lawn; it'll get rid of a lot of bad stuff, but it can do a lot of damage in the process.

eta: just for clarification, swabbing an area or using diluted hydrogen peroxide for an acute problem are not the same thing as using it as a regular mouthwash.



This.

FWIW......in the military, I was the hospitals Infection Control Monitor. I was sent to Atlanta for a week long IC course with the CDC, OSHA, EPA and some random docs who did spiels and showed studies. The main purpose was to go over regulations. For dental, the main pre op antimicrobial that is used according to mil IC regulations is Listerine. I know that Listerine once had a statement claiming, "As effective as flossing" but they quickly rescinded that. Anyway, Chlorhexidine is always a more potent alternative but usually just Listerine; especially for the hygienists and techs who perform op's on their own.

As far as the bad taste from local anesthetic........rinse and suck is all that anyone does (except for in surgery when they're sedated or knocked out and it doesn't matter).

LOL but I love the "I didn't need to go to Dental School and just learn on ARFCOM" comment. That cited 2010 study is as important as a study saying, "If you spit on a table, it will be wet."
Nick29  [Team Member]
8/13/2012 1:11:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By sturmjr:

This.

FWIW......in the military, I was the hospitals Infection Control Monitor. I was sent to Atlanta for a week long IC course with the CDC, OSHA, EPA and some random docs who did spiels and showed studies. The main purpose was to go over regulations. For dental, the main pre op antimicrobial that is used according to mil IC regulations is Listerine. I know that Listerine once had a statement claiming, "As effective as flossing" but they quickly rescinded that. Anyway, Chlorhexidine is always a more potent alternative but usually just Listerine; especially for the hygienists and techs who perform op's on their own.

As far as the bad taste from local anesthetic........rinse and suck is all that anyone does (except for in surgery when they're sedated or knocked out and it doesn't matter).

LOL but I love the "I didn't need to go to Dental School and just learn on ARFCOM" comment. That cited 2010 study is as important as a study saying, "If you spit on a table, it will be wet."

My wife is a Navy dentist (I'm a GP in private practice). They have some protocols that aren't necessarily bad, but they aren't what is typically done anywhere else (like amalgam build ups on root canal treated teeth). Listerine is probably just cheaper through their suppliers, and you can infer from the research that is out there (listerine is second only to clorhexidine at killing plaque-forming bacteria) that as a pre-op rinse there isn't a big difference.

fwiw, I meant to include in my post above that I've never used topical Lidocaine, and haven't seen it in a catalog. All the topical I've ever used is 5% Benzocaine. Lidocaine is injected, and nothing is going to make that stuff not taste nasty.

sturmjr  [Team Member]
8/13/2012 3:33:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By Nick29:

Originally Posted By sturmjr:

This.

FWIW......in the military, I was the hospitals Infection Control Monitor. I was sent to Atlanta for a week long IC course with the CDC, OSHA, EPA and some random docs who did spiels and showed studies. The main purpose was to go over regulations. For dental, the main pre op antimicrobial that is used according to mil IC regulations is Listerine. I know that Listerine once had a statement claiming, "As effective as flossing" but they quickly rescinded that. Anyway, Chlorhexidine is always a more potent alternative but usually just Listerine; especially for the hygienists and techs who perform op's on their own.

As far as the bad taste from local anesthetic........rinse and suck is all that anyone does (except for in surgery when they're sedated or knocked out and it doesn't matter).

LOL but I love the "I didn't need to go to Dental School and just learn on ARFCOM" comment. That cited 2010 study is as important as a study saying, "If you spit on a table, it will be wet."

My wife is a Navy dentist (I'm a GP in private practice). They have some protocols that aren't necessarily bad, but they aren't what is typically done anywhere else (like amalgam build ups on root canal treated teeth). Listerine is probably just cheaper through their suppliers, and you can infer from the research that is out there (listerine is second only to clorhexidine at killing plaque-forming bacteria) that as a pre-op rinse there isn't a big difference.

fwiw, I meant to include in my post above that I've never used topical Lidocaine, and haven't seen it in a catalog. All the topical I've ever used is 5% Benzocaine. Lidocaine is injected, and nothing is going to make that stuff not taste nasty.



I know what you mean about the amalgam buildups. I got medically retired and when I went and worked at a private practice, EVERYTHING is composite. I still liked mil dental more for some reason. I just got to do cooler shit and was able to do a wider variety of procedures than a normal single or double doc practice would do. I'm not a doc but there wasn't much I couldn't do in the mil. I was doing almost entire ortho cases with small input from the doc I worked for; it was good stuff.
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