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 Just got scammed by Publishers Clearing House
centurion  [Member]
1/26/2012 4:52:58 PM
Watch out for this one guys. The mailman left a couple of small boxes inside the door today. I took them in the house and opened them and there was a little bottle of something you wipe on your car headlights and some plastic egg holders of some sort in the second box. Of course neither my wife nor I ordered these. I never enter sweepstakes scams. Anyway, it says you owe us $31.91 due by 02/20/12.

I tracked down their customer service number and navigated through all of the menus to talk to an Indian woman in India somewhere. She insists that the order was placed in my name over the internet on 16 January and if I don't return their junk or pay for it, they will file a bad credit entry on me.

I called the local post office and the lady said "Well, if you opened it, you can't refuse it now."

So now I am going to have to burn up my time and money tomorrow and take this shit to the post office and send it to their merchandise return address and then hope they still don't try to cause me trouble when they get it back.

I don't know who scammed me. Somebody who knew my name and address obviously.

This shit is so underhanded. If you get something from Publishers Clearing House, you may want to refuse it, DO NOT open it, and give it back to the mailman.

Anybody got any bright ideas here about what to do? Another guy on the internet said they tried to collect from him even AFTER he refused to accept their shit and gave it back to the mailman. Apparently they don't pay return shipping on their own merchandise when it's refused.
maleante  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 4:54:33 PM
They sent it to you unsolicited. You now have a free gift and owe them absolutely nothing.

If they try to get you to pay for it, tell them what the law states and they will stop.

Same scam that the NRA runs...

NAM  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 4:55:10 PM
you are not legally liable for an unsolicited item mailed to you. You can offer to return it, or tell them to FOAD. If they do actually affect your credit, and it's not just a bluff, you take them to court, and win.
hellbound  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 4:55:49 PM
it's unsolicited mail and you don't have to pay them a cent

tell them to prove that you placed the order

they can try and collect from you all you want, but if someone sends you a package unsolicited it's a gift.
Bubbles  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 4:56:35 PM
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=mailed+unwanted+merchandise
FreeFloater  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 4:56:49 PM
How did they get your SSN?

Can they screw up your credit without a SSN?
Lord_Grey_Boots  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 4:56:56 PM
Keep it, or toss it. Don't pay for it.
Schroedum  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 4:57:35 PM
Originally Posted By NAM:
you are not legally liable for an unsolicited item mailed to you. You can offer to return it, or tell them to FOAD. If they do actually affect your credit, and it's not just a bluff, you take them to court, and win.


Step one: tell them to FO
Step two: battle it out in court
Step three: ??????
Step four: Profit!
lower7  [Member]
1/26/2012 4:59:12 PM
"What packages?"
Pond_Scum  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:10:15 PM
Originally Posted By centurion:
Watch out for this one guys. The mailman left a couple of small boxes inside the door today. I took them in the house and opened them and there was a little bottle of something you wipe on your car headlights and some plastic egg holders of some sort in the second box. Of course neither my wife nor I ordered these. I never enter sweepstakes scams. Anyway, it says you owe us $31.91 due by 02/20/12.

I tracked down their customer service number and navigated through all of the menus to talk to an Indian woman in India somewhere. She insists that the order was placed in my name over the internet on 16 January and if I don't return their junk or pay for it, they will file a bad credit entry on me.

I called the local post office and the lady said "Well, if you opened it, you can't refuse it now."

So now I am going to have to burn up my time and money tomorrow and take this shit to the post office and send it to their merchandise return address and then hope they still don't try to cause me trouble when they get it back.

I don't know who scammed me. Somebody who knew my name and address obviously.

This shit is so underhanded. If you get something from Publishers Clearing House, you may want to refuse it, DO NOT open it, and give it back to the mailman.

Anybody got any bright ideas here about what to do? Another guy on the internet said they tried to collect from him even AFTER he refused to accept their shit and gave it back to the mailman. Apparently they don't pay return shipping on their own merchandise when it's refused.

Really? Are you like, 13 years old? This was unsolicited merchandise and you are under no obligation whatsoever to return it or to pay for it. You should know that already and the fact that you don't is what these companies count on to make money.
gonzo_beyondo  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:17:36 PM

Originally Posted By centurion:


Wait, you're bitching about free gifts?


You're under no obligation, by law, to pay for unsolicited merchandise.


gonzo_beyondo  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:18:32 PM

Originally Posted By lower7:
"What packages?"

Shit got lost in the mail yo!
graysonp  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:18:58 PM
Originally Posted By maleante:
They sent it to you unsolicited. You now have a free gift and owe them absolutely nothing.


This. They send those trinkets hoping that people will either pay for them or send them back. They know they have no legal recourse to make you pay for the items, and they will not pursue it further. Just throw it in the trash and forget it.
Bigshot64  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:20:30 PM
Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By lower7:
"What packages?"

Shit got lost in the mail yo!


USPS fail
callgood  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:23:59 PM
Originally Posted By centurion:
..........I tracked down their customer service number and navigated through all of the menus to talk to an Indian woman in India somewhere. She insists that the order was placed in my name over the internet on 16 January and if I don't return their junk or pay for it, they will file a bad credit entry on me. .................


Call her back and tell her if she files against your credit you'll go out to the country and shoot a fucking cow.

tyman  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:28:53 PM
Originally Posted By callgood:
Originally Posted By centurion:
..........I tracked down their customer service number and navigated through all of the menus to talk to an Indian woman in India somewhere. She insists that the order was placed in my name over the internet on 16 January and if I don't return their junk or pay for it, they will file a bad credit entry on me. .................


Call her back and tell her if she files against your credit you'll go out to the country and shoot a fucking cow.



centurion  [Member]
1/26/2012 5:30:58 PM
Originally Posted By graysonp:
Originally Posted By maleante:
They sent it to you unsolicited. You now have a free gift and owe them absolutely nothing.


This. They send those trinkets hoping that people will either pay for them or send them back. They know they have no legal recourse to make you pay for the items, and they will not pursue it further. Just throw it in the trash and forget it.


This sounds good to me except I found an internet board today where this same company did this same shit to other people and did, in fact, fuck with the people's credit over it. Oh, well. I am NOT going to go to the trouble of sending this shit back and paying the shipping myself. If they try anything further, I'll let my attorney handle it. I guess I need to grow a pair and claim my man card back. No way can they prove that I ordered this shit over the internet on 16 January 2012 through my ISP.
Angelshare1  [Member]
1/26/2012 5:31:14 PM
I have to imagine that the unsolicited defense wouldn't work since they have his info. They just show his order information that someone typed in.

Voodoo17  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:34:17 PM
Black magic marker through your name and address. Mark return/refused on package and drop in mail box. Edited to add: circle their address on carton.
hourglassing  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:49:49 PM
Just throw it away and forget it. Nobody is going to do anything more than maybe call a couple times about it. Certainly nobody is going to "turn it over to a creditor." No creditor would take it the claim.
gonzo_beyondo  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:52:54 PM

Originally Posted By centurion:
Originally Posted By graysonp:
Originally Posted By maleante:
They sent it to you unsolicited. You now have a free gift and owe them absolutely nothing.


This. They send those trinkets hoping that people will either pay for them or send them back. They know they have no legal recourse to make you pay for the items, and they will not pursue it further. Just throw it in the trash and forget it.


This sounds good to me except I found an internet board today where this same company did this same shit to other people and did, in fact, fuck with the people's credit over it. Oh, well. I am NOT going to go to the trouble of sending this shit back and paying the shipping myself. If they try anything further, I'll let my attorney handle it. I guess I need to grow a pair and claim my man card back. No way can they prove that I ordered this shit over the internet on 16 January 2012 through my ISP.

That they claim you ordered it would piss me off enough that I'd be looking to file some complaints.

They want to fuck with you, fuck them back.

If they dinged my credit reports, I'd sue them.


Foxxz  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:53:06 PM
When you order something from the internet don't you usually PAY for it up front? What the hell kind of internet site sends you a bill for it later?

-Foxxz
gonzo_beyondo  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:53:52 PM

Originally Posted By hourglassing:
Just throw it away and forget it. Nobody is going to do anything more than maybe call a couple times about it. Certainly nobody is going to "turn it over to a creditor." No creditor would take it the claim.

Dude, they're making threats.

Whether they do or don't at this point doesn't even matter.

They've already crossed the line. That shit ain't legal.
swingset  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:56:17 PM

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By hourglassing:
Just throw it away and forget it. Nobody is going to do anything more than maybe call a couple times about it. Certainly nobody is going to "turn it over to a creditor." No creditor would take it the claim.

Dude, they're making threats.

Whether they do or don't at this point doesn't even matter.

They've already crossed the line. That shit ain't legal.

This.

You're dancing to their game stop doing that.
gonzo_beyondo  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:58:05 PM

Originally Posted By swingset:

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By hourglassing:
Just throw it away and forget it. Nobody is going to do anything more than maybe call a couple times about it. Certainly nobody is going to "turn it over to a creditor." No creditor would take it the claim.

Dude, they're making threats.

Whether they do or don't at this point doesn't even matter.

They've already crossed the line. That shit ain't legal.

This.

You're dancing to their game stop doing that.

Better yet, send The Man after them for this little game.


vherring  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 5:59:15 PM
If you had ordered it, they would already have your credit card number. You wouldn't have a deadline to pay.
BuckeyeDoc  [Member]
1/26/2012 5:59:45 PM
Just call your credit card company and dispute the charge, and you'll never have to deal with it again. End of story.
In fact, the credit card company will probably investigate them and might block them from being able to run charges on that companies card. That will screw the Publishers scammers much more than they were trying to screw you. Always best if revenge exceeds the original insult....

Also sounds like mail fraud, which I am sure they don't want to stir up....but that would be a federal agencies area, FBI or some such, who knows these days who investigates what anymore. I'm sure the post office could tell you though.
thezentree  [Member]
1/26/2012 6:08:17 PM
Originally Posted By BuckeyeDoc:
Just call your credit card company and dispute the charge, and you'll never have to deal with it again. End of story.
In fact, the credit card company will probably investigate them and might block them from being able to run charges on that companies card. That will screw the Publishers scammers much more than they were trying to screw you. Always best if revenge exceeds the original insult....

Also sounds like mail fraud, which I am sure they don't want to stir up....but that would be a federal agencies area, FBI or some such, who knows these days who investigates what anymore. I'm sure the post office could tell you though.


Are there actually charges to your card or did you just get a box with a bill in it? If it's the former, do this. If the latter, PCH can sit and rotate.
Alien  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 6:09:41 PM
I wonder how they have not been slapped on the peepee yet for this kind of illegal business practice since there is a pattern of behavior.
gonzo_beyondo  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 6:10:56 PM

Originally Posted By Alien:
I wonder how they have not been slapped on the peepee yet for this kind of illegal business practice since there is a pattern of behavior.

This is the first I've heard of it.

If some people who've had this happen go filing complaints, they sure will be slapped.

centurion  [Member]
1/26/2012 9:12:54 PM
Originally Posted By thezentree:
Originally Posted By BuckeyeDoc:
Just call your credit card company and dispute the charge, and you'll never have to deal with it again. End of story.
In fact, the credit card company will probably investigate them and might block them from being able to run charges on that companies card. That will screw the Publishers scammers much more than they were trying to screw you. Always best if revenge exceeds the original insult....

Also sounds like mail fraud, which I am sure they don't want to stir up....but that would be a federal agencies area, FBI or some such, who knows these days who investigates what anymore. I'm sure the post office could tell you though.


Are there actually charges to your card or did you just get a box with a bill in it? If it's the former, do this. If the latter, PCH can sit and rotate.


Just got a box with their junk in it and a bill. I don't even know what the plastic egg things are even for. They were never given my credit card.
thefreshman991  [Team Member]
1/26/2012 9:27:01 PM
Originally Posted By callgood:
Originally Posted By centurion:
..........I tracked down their customer service number and navigated through all of the menus to talk to an Indian woman in India somewhere. She insists that the order was placed in my name over the internet on 16 January and if I don't return their junk or pay for it, they will file a bad credit entry on me. .................


Call her back and tell her if she files against your credit you'll go out to the country and shoot a fucking cow.





ETA: After getting over that LOL I think you should procure dry ice and fresh cow meat and include that in the return.
fistpoint  [Member]
1/26/2012 10:43:31 PM
What kind of nimbulb hires a lawyer for a +/- $30 item?