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whamburglar  [Member]
10/18/2011 2:13:37 PM
Your rifle. Today's Terminal Lance was about losing a rifle, but did not mention the punishment.

I'd imagine it's pretty bad.
Aiden  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:14:29 PM
You find it.
Stlrain0341  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:15:05 PM
Depends on your rank, and on who finds it.

ETA: Branch, and MOS will likely have a lot to do with it as well.
1911greg  [Member]
10/18/2011 2:16:22 PM
Originally Posted By Stlrain0341:
Depends on your rank, and on who finds it.


+1 and your job, the POGs would lose them all the time.

But I wll guarantee you this, every swinging richard is going to be out looking for it.
BeRzErKaS  [Member]
10/18/2011 2:16:22 PM
Follow up question:

Where do you guys actually get ammo for your rifles from? Is it free and can you take as much as you want?
Jarhead08  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:16:48 PM

Originally Posted By Aiden:
You find it.

And you so very, very, very very, very very, fucked. Not just a little fucked, but a big old 55 gallon drum of concentrated, industrial strength, monitored by EPA and has to have a HAZMAT team on standby fucked.
Pegasus6  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:17:31 PM
Short answer is...it depends.

If it's your fault, the cost will be docked from your pay.
joedirt1977  [Member]
10/18/2011 2:19:25 PM
Originally Posted By BeRzErKaS:
Follow up question:

Where do you guys actually get ammo for your rifles from? Is it free and can you take as much as you want?


Yes, it's free. No, you can not take as much as you want, except for in Iraq. We pretty much could have as many rounds of ammo and as many frags as we wanted.
1911greg  [Member]
10/18/2011 2:19:41 PM
Originally Posted By BeRzErKaS:
Follow up question:

Where do you guys actually get ammo from? Is it free and can you take as much as you want?


HELL NO.

Go shoot a range you will walk by the ammo supply point pick up your 40 rds for qual. Shoot, pickup brass return to ASP. After they close the range all the ammo has to be accounted for. Its serious fucking business, if you are short even a few rounds you are fucked depending on who is running AHA!!!

Now a days you are issued your basic load and you sign for it. 1 round missing once again you are fucked.

pretty fucking crazy huh?
NUcadet07  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:19:58 PM
Originally Posted By Aiden:
You find it.


Afghanistan last year, we had an MRAP have the road collapse under it and it fell off a cligg 75 feet down into a river upsite down. An M4 was lost in that river. My brigade commander, a full colonel was wading through that river searching for four days for that weapon. It was never found and was written off as a FLIPL. It was then turned in a month later by the Afghans for a reward, go figure.
robplumm  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:20:22 PM

Originally Posted By Jarhead08:

Originally Posted By Aiden:
You find it.

And you so very, very, very very, very very, fucked. Not just a little fucked, but a big old 55 gallon drum of concentrated, industrial strength, monitored by EPA and has to have a HAZMAT team on standby fucked.

Apparently greatly depends on the command. We had a guy in our company (not my platoon...he would have been fucked in my platoon...), TL, leave his 203 on the top of his humvee. Got back to the FOB...no rifle.

He remained an E5. He remained a TL.

To this day it pisses me off to think about it...


Cpatterson  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:21:22 PM

Originally Posted By BeRzErKaS:
Follow up question:

Where do you guys actually get ammo for your rifles from? Is it free and can you take as much as you want?

i could have as much as i wanted while deployed just had to go see the supply SSG... Ammo, frags,flares, smoke AT4 whatever signed a paper and it was mine

tax dollar at work
die-tryin  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:22:09 PM
Depends. In Japan, they issued M16s for a parade, one didnt make back to the armory, they shut the base down, no one leaves. This lasted for an hour or so, it turned up, the idiot didnt make his way to the armory with his group. Dont know what happened to him.


In USMC bootcamp, the DI's would sneak into our huts at nite while out in the field, you were suppose to be sleeping with your rifle, if you werent they would take it and toss the rifles very far into the woods and told us we had 10seconds to find it. That was funny to watch.

But basically, you dont lose your rifle, its either locked up with a firewatch watching it or in the armory or on your body.
LightningII  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:23:05 PM
Originally Posted By Aiden:
You find it.


this.
no matter how long it takes, you will find it.
Some retired senior NCOs that i know told me about an entire platoon searching a training area for days to find some NVGs.
joedirt1977  [Member]
10/18/2011 2:23:08 PM
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By BeRzErKaS:
Follow up question:

Where do you guys actually get ammo from? Is it free and can you take as much as you want?


HELL NO.

Go shoot a range you will walk by the ammo supply point pick up your 40 rds for qual. Shoot, pickup brass return to ASP. After they close the range all the ammo has to be accounted for. Its serious fucking business, if you are short even a few rounds you are fucked depending on who is running AHA!!!

Now a days you are issued your basic load and you sign for it. 1 round missing once again you are fucked.

pretty fucking crazy huh?



Post qual shakedowns were major league fucking retarded, weren't they?
ex_dsmr  [Member]
10/18/2011 2:23:12 PM
Originally Posted By Pegasus6:
Short answer is...it depends.

If it's your fault, the cost will be docked from your pay.


Id be interested to know what the cost is?
NUcadet07  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:23:34 PM
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By BeRzErKaS:
Follow up question:

Where do you guys actually get ammo from? Is it free and can you take as much as you want?


HELL NO.

Go shoot a range you will walk by the ammo supply point pick up your 40 rds for qual. Shoot, pickup brass return to ASP. After they close the range all the ammo has to be accounted for. Its serious fucking business, if you are short even a few rounds you are fucked depending on who is running AHA!!!

Now a days you are issued your basic load and you sign for it. 1 round missing once again you are fucked.

pretty fucking crazy huh?


You sign for a basic load downrange? That's fucking crazy, hell we found LAW's, Claymores and SMAW-D's that no one was signed for. If you needed frags you just grabbed them out of the ammo can.
skid2041  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:23:46 PM
We had a Female Marine lose her Berretta on the bus from Pedelton to our reserve center, they shut down the reserve center till found. Bad thing was there were hundreds of civilians using the center for a community fair type thing....They were pissed. They found the weapon about three hours later. The female Marine....she was promoted to Sgt the next month, that's about it. If it had been me, my ass would have been beaten. Oh well.
joedirt1977  [Member]
10/18/2011 2:24:07 PM
Originally Posted By LightningII:
Originally Posted By Aiden:
You find it.


this.
no matter how long it takes, you will find it.
Some retired senior NCOs that i know told me about an entire platoon searching a training area for days to find some NVGs.


I have seen it happen, personally. They were found, after five extra days in the field doing nonstop searching.
Jinxsters  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:24:33 PM
Originally Posted By Aiden:
You find it.


This. End of story.
Swoosh101  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:26:19 PM
base goes on lock down
doom21  [Member]
10/18/2011 2:28:08 PM
My company got its ass kicked in a valley in A-stan 1 troop lost his 9mm another lost a PEQ15 both had dummy cord failures higher command want use to go back in but we didnt shit got written off no problem
POW-MIAneverforget  [Life Member]
10/18/2011 2:28:33 PM
Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By BeRzErKaS:
Follow up question:

Where do you guys actually get ammo from? Is it free and can you take as much as you want?


HELL NO.

Go shoot a range you will walk by the ammo supply point pick up your 40 rds for qual. Shoot, pickup brass return to ASP. After they close the range all the ammo has to be accounted for. Its serious fucking business, if you are short even a few rounds you are fucked depending on who is running AHA!!!

Now a days you are issued your basic load and you sign for it. 1 round missing once again you are fucked.

pretty fucking crazy huh?


You sign for a basic load downrange? That's fucking crazy, hell we found LAW's, Claymores and SMAW-D's that no one was signed for. If you needed frags you just grabbed them out of the ammo can.


Depends, your supposed to sign for your basic load buuuut there is a SHITLOAD of off the books ammo that may be signed for internal to the unit (i.e. armorer to soldier but is not on the property book).

I wasn't signed for my basic load, it was excess, but by and large every item from 5.56 round to grenade is signed out.
Cpatterson  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:28:38 PM
It wasnt uncommon for RC south to send out a email weekly about such and such rifle was found on KAF
aimforthemedic  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:30:16 PM
Last time I saw someone lose a rifle was pretty funny (albeit messed up). Some dumbass left his M4 on the posting bus, the flight chief gave him a map of where he could find each part (all parts were secured by various individuals). When he had found all the parts....all the way down to his firing pin retaining pin he had to re assemble his weapon, work his shift and then work the whole break cycle. This is airforce security forces for those wondering.
Cpatterson  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:30:22 PM

Originally Posted By POW-MIAneverforget:
Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By BeRzErKaS:
Follow up question:

Where do you guys actually get ammo from? Is it free and can you take as much as you want?


HELL NO.

Go shoot a range you will walk by the ammo supply point pick up your 40 rds for qual. Shoot, pickup brass return to ASP. After they close the range all the ammo has to be accounted for. Its serious fucking business, if you are short even a few rounds you are fucked depending on who is running AHA!!!

Now a days you are issued your basic load and you sign for it. 1 round missing once again you are fucked.

pretty fucking crazy huh?


You sign for a basic load downrange? That's fucking crazy, hell we found LAW's, Claymores and SMAW-D's that no one was signed for. If you needed frags you just grabbed them out of the ammo can.


Depends, your supposed to sign for your basic load buuuut there is a SHITLOAD of off the books ammo that may be signed for internal to the unit (i.e. armorer to soldier but is not on the property book).

I wasn't signed for my basic load, it was excess, but by and large every item from 5.56 round to grenade is signed out.
we had a conex with 57 AT4s that were not on anyones books

POW-MIAneverforget  [Life Member]
10/18/2011 2:30:37 PM
Like others have said if you loose your weapon (or any piece of gear) you find it. As to what happens to you personally so far as punishment, depends largely on the unit, the circumstances surrounding the loss and the chain of command.

If its not found, your paying for it, assuming its not a combat loss.
hardcorps1775  [Member]
10/18/2011 2:31:02 PM
Originally Posted By Aiden:
You find it.

Or kill yourself. Trust me, it's less painful.

Pegasus6  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:31:39 PM

Originally Posted By ex_dsmr:
Originally Posted By Pegasus6:
Short answer is...it depends.

If it's your fault, the cost will be docked from your pay.


Id be interested to know what the cost is?

Rifle is $1329
ACOG is $594
PEQ-2 is $884

Depending on what else you have, the cost can go really, really high...
POW-MIAneverforget  [Life Member]
10/18/2011 2:32:02 PM
Originally Posted By Cpatterson:

Originally Posted By POW-MIAneverforget:
Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By BeRzErKaS:
Follow up question:

Where do you guys actually get ammo from? Is it free and can you take as much as you want?


HELL NO.

Go shoot a range you will walk by the ammo supply point pick up your 40 rds for qual. Shoot, pickup brass return to ASP. After they close the range all the ammo has to be accounted for. Its serious fucking business, if you are short even a few rounds you are fucked depending on who is running AHA!!!

Now a days you are issued your basic load and you sign for it. 1 round missing once again you are fucked.

pretty fucking crazy huh?


You sign for a basic load downrange? That's fucking crazy, hell we found LAW's, Claymores and SMAW-D's that no one was signed for. If you needed frags you just grabbed them out of the ammo can.


Depends, your supposed to sign for your basic load buuuut there is a SHITLOAD of off the books ammo that may be signed for internal to the unit (i.e. armorer to soldier but is not on the property book).

I wasn't signed for my basic load, it was excess, but by and large every item from 5.56 round to grenade is signed out.
we had a conex with 57 AT4s that were not on anyones books



Another unit that shall not be named had a conex full of Javelins and stingers.
callahan318  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:32:18 PM
Originally Posted By Jarhead08:

Originally Posted By Aiden:
You find it.

And you so very, very, very very, very very, fucked. Not just a little fucked, but a big old 55 gallon drum of concentrated, industrial strength, monitored by EPA and has to have a HAZMAT team on standby fucked.


Yup.

(Never lost one, never seen it happen in my Infantry unit nor the Cav unit I deployed with)

NUcadet07  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:32:48 PM
Originally Posted By POW-MIAneverforget:
Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By BeRzErKaS:
Follow up question:

Where do you guys actually get ammo from? Is it free and can you take as much as you want?


HELL NO.

Go shoot a range you will walk by the ammo supply point pick up your 40 rds for qual. Shoot, pickup brass return to ASP. After they close the range all the ammo has to be accounted for. Its serious fucking business, if you are short even a few rounds you are fucked depending on who is running AHA!!!

Now a days you are issued your basic load and you sign for it. 1 round missing once again you are fucked.

pretty fucking crazy huh?


You sign for a basic load downrange? That's fucking crazy, hell we found LAW's, Claymores and SMAW-D's that no one was signed for. If you needed frags you just grabbed them out of the ammo can.


Depends, your supposed to sign for your basic load buuuut there is a SHITLOAD of off the books ammo that may be signed for internal to the unit (i.e. armorer to soldier but is not on the property book).

I wasn't signed for my basic load, it was excess, but by and large every item from 5.56 round to grenade is signed out.


Yeah, I'm tracking that it's all signed for somewhere, but our Soldiers never signed for any ammo. That isn't to say the LT/Platoon Daddy didn't of course, but we never did at our levels.
thehaitianactual  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:33:45 PM
If you're in 2/8 Weapons company you get promoted to Sgt.
Jarhead08  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:33:51 PM

Originally Posted By skid2041:
We had a Female Marine lose her Berretta on the bus from Pedelton to our reserve center, they shut down the reserve center till found. Bad thing was there were hundreds of civilians using the center for a community fair type thing....They were pissed. They found the weapon about three hours later. The female Marine....she was promoted to Sgt the next month, that's about it. If it had been me, my ass would have been beaten. Oh well.

Nope not going to say it. Not going to. Not going to. Not going to.
NUcadet07  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:33:55 PM
Originally Posted By POW-MIAneverforget:
Originally Posted By Cpatterson:

Originally Posted By POW-MIAneverforget:
Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By BeRzErKaS:
Follow up question:

Where do you guys actually get ammo from? Is it free and can you take as much as you want?


HELL NO.

Go shoot a range you will walk by the ammo supply point pick up your 40 rds for qual. Shoot, pickup brass return to ASP. After they close the range all the ammo has to be accounted for. Its serious fucking business, if you are short even a few rounds you are fucked depending on who is running AHA!!!

Now a days you are issued your basic load and you sign for it. 1 round missing once again you are fucked.

pretty fucking crazy huh?


You sign for a basic load downrange? That's fucking crazy, hell we found LAW's, Claymores and SMAW-D's that no one was signed for. If you needed frags you just grabbed them out of the ammo can.


Depends, your supposed to sign for your basic load buuuut there is a SHITLOAD of off the books ammo that may be signed for internal to the unit (i.e. armorer to soldier but is not on the property book).

I wasn't signed for my basic load, it was excess, but by and large every item from 5.56 round to grenade is signed out.
we had a conex with 57 AT4s that were not on anyones books



Another unit that shall not be named had a conex full of Javelins and stingers.


Stingers? What in the hell for?
Capt-Planet  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:34:20 PM
Originally Posted By Aiden:
You find it.


Yup.

The whole post will help you find it, if need be.
Pegasus6  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:35:33 PM

Originally Posted By NUcadet07:

Stingers? What in the hell for?

Stuff...

Some shit sitting around over here has been passed from unit to unit since the invasion.
POW-MIAneverforget  [Life Member]
10/18/2011 2:36:13 PM
Originally Posted By NUcadet07:

Yeah, I'm tracking that it's all signed for somewhere, but our Soldiers never signed for any ammo. That isn't to say the LT/Platoon Daddy didn't of course, but we never did at our levels.


Ah, I get what your saying.

Our guys are signed for it, but nobody gets burned for standard expenditure like lost round at the clearing barrel or test fire pits, and obviously not dinged for engagements in sector.

Different units, different ways of doing busniess I guess.
CAsoldier  [Member]
10/18/2011 2:37:13 PM
an nco ilke me will make you wish youd turned it on yourself
POW-MIAneverforget  [Life Member]
10/18/2011 2:37:39 PM
Originally Posted By Pegasus6:

Originally Posted By NUcadet07:

Stingers? What in the hell for?

Stuff...

Some shit sitting around over here has been passed from unit to unit since the invasion.


Yup, and based on the type of unit that had them this wasn't surprising, but it did cause the guys at the ASP to get really big eyes when they dropped the conex off over there.
Slavac  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:38:04 PM
I found an ACOG while hiking at Ft. Hood several years ago.

When I turned it in the SGT who took into possession let out a low whistle.

I hope I didn't fuck the guy who lost it by turning it in.
0612Devil  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:38:37 PM
Sykkone  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:38:56 PM

Originally Posted By Stlrain0341:
Depends on your rank, and on who finds it.

ETA: Branch, and MOS will likely have a lot to do with it as well.

This.

I can and will snag an unattended rifle at the first available opportunity. They'll get it back, nothing will go on paper, but they won't forget again.

Reminds me of the time one of my skippers forgot his weapon... he reported himself to the regiment. Great skipper all around.



wingnutx  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:40:24 PM
If you are a CM1 and your carbine gets run over by an 80,000 pound rock truck then you go to captain's mast and have to pay for the rifle, but then it never gets taken out of your paycheck.

If you leave your pistol on the roof of the Cougar and have no idea where it fell off, then you lose a stripe and a bunch of pay.
DPeacher  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:40:55 PM
Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Originally Posted By POW-MIAneverforget:
Originally Posted By Cpatterson:

Originally Posted By POW-MIAneverforget:
Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By BeRzErKaS:
Follow up question:

Where do you guys actually get ammo from? Is it free and can you take as much as you want?


HELL NO.

Go shoot a range you will walk by the ammo supply point pick up your 40 rds for qual. Shoot, pickup brass return to ASP. After they close the range all the ammo has to be accounted for. Its serious fucking business, if you are short even a few rounds you are fucked depending on who is running AHA!!!

Now a days you are issued your basic load and you sign for it. 1 round missing once again you are fucked.

pretty fucking crazy huh?


You sign for a basic load downrange? That's fucking crazy, hell we found LAW's, Claymores and SMAW-D's that no one was signed for. If you needed frags you just grabbed them out of the ammo can.


Depends, your supposed to sign for your basic load buuuut there is a SHITLOAD of off the books ammo that may be signed for internal to the unit (i.e. armorer to soldier but is not on the property book).

I wasn't signed for my basic load, it was excess, but by and large every item from 5.56 round to grenade is signed out.
we had a conex with 57 AT4s that were not on anyones books



Another unit that shall not be named had a conex full of Javelins and stingers.


Stingers? What in the hell for?


For stinging, duh!!!
NUcadet07  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:42:36 PM
Originally Posted By POW-MIAneverforget:
Originally Posted By NUcadet07:

Yeah, I'm tracking that it's all signed for somewhere, but our Soldiers never signed for any ammo. That isn't to say the LT/Platoon Daddy didn't of course, but we never did at our levels.


Ah, I get what your saying.

Our guys are signed for it, but nobody gets burned for standard expenditure like lost round at the clearing barrel or test fire pits, and obviously not dinged for engagements in sector.

Different units, different ways of doing busniess I guess.


I think this is one of those ways that the past few years Iraq has really differed from Afghanistan. I have never been to Iraq (always wanted to see Babylon but oh well) but have been to all over RC East in Afghanistan. One of our augmentees, another MP from CO did a fobulous tour in Iraq and he said they were checked for their ammo count weekly down to the very round. They never left the wire and really didn't need to even have ammo he said. I never even heard of such a thing in Afghanistan, hell even at Bagram. I don't know if you remember Dan Durocher, but before he got shot he traded our platoon some a SMAW-D for a Claymore. All stuff that no one was signed for and just had been passed down unit to unit. Like you said, different units do things different ways.

Oh, this reminds me. My LT, (another alum of our illustrius institution btw) left his M4/203 at the green beans at FOB Sharana on littereally his first day in country. He didn't realize it was gone untill a few hours later and went to the MP station where he was arrested by the MP's. Guess they take that kind of stuff seriously. It was all made to go away eventually of course.
THR-Thumper  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:43:17 PM
Originally Posted By Sykkone:

Originally Posted By Stlrain0341:
Depends on your rank, and on who finds it.

ETA: Branch, and MOS will likely have a lot to do with it as well.

This.

I can and will snag an unattended rifle at the first available opportunity. They'll get it back, nothing will go on paper, but they won't forget again.

Reminds me of the time one of my skippers forgot his weapon... he reported himself to the regiment. Great skipper all around.





I stole the Colonel's cover once...

Once.

DKlic6  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:44:21 PM
Pretty much my face when that happens.
Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
base goes on lock down


Stryker_11A  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:45:28 PM
There were a bunch of Soldiers at Balad in 05 with their weapons dummy corded to their wrists. It was their CSM's way to keep them from leaving their weapons all over the FOB. I laughed.
peligro113  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:45:48 PM
I found one in a barber shop in Iraq. I waited until my haircut was done to see if anybody returned for it but no one did so I took the rifle and handed over to my Battle captain and he held onto to until the person went to the TOC looking for it. No issues.

I once left my on the hood of my Humvee for a good ten minutes while I drove around outside the wire. When I remembered that I left it on the hood I slammed the brakes and the rifle went flying off the hood. Another time an IED went off and hit the first vehicle, we did our thing and I was standing outside the Humvee talking to an EOD dude so I placed my M4 with a M203 on the hood of the Humvee, needless to say I forgot it again and drove off, this time it fell off the hood onto the field. I remembered about 5 minutes later and my ass puckered up. We went back out onto the field and found it about 10 minutes later. I've learned my lesson and no longer put my weapon anywhere.
Jame_Retief  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 2:46:34 PM

Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Originally Posted By Aiden:
You find it.


Afghanistan last year, we had an MRAP have the road collapse under it and it fell off a cligg 75 feet down into a river upsite down. An M4 was lost in that river. My brigade commander, a full colonel was wading through that river searching for four days for that weapon. It was never found and was written off as a FLIPL. It was then turned in a month later by the Afghans for a reward, go figure.

We had a vehicle get hit by an SVBIED, the gunner got thrown 75 ft, his M4 got thrown 150m. It was found, buried in mud to the magwell and bent, the CCO was not in evidence and they spent 30 min searching for it, did not find. I was the investigating officer on the FLIPL a month later. They also had to do a FLIPL on a HMMWV they couldn't find.

Oh, when they found the gunner he was wandering around looking for his weapon and saying he needed to shoot back. Fortunately, it was not an ambush. Yes, he got sent to BAF for evaluation, but they almost had to tie him up first. Gotta love them coon-ass Cajun.