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 How much would an M249 cost on the civilian market?
WI_Rifleman  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 6:27:57 PM EST
How much?
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arowneragain  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 6:28:36 PM EST
$3K if not for a handful of unConstitutional laws.
583  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 6:28:43 PM EST
250k new in the box.
saigamanTX  [Member]
7/10/2011 6:29:29 PM EST
Isn't there only one transferable one out there?
Gingerbreadman  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 6:50:36 PM EST
I recall seeing a pre-'86 M249 advertised in Shotgun News for $75,000. Seven years ago....
deuce_22  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 6:52:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By Gingerbreadman:
I recall seeing a pre-'86 M249 advertised in Shotgun News for $75,000. Seven years ago....

Yep. On the front page wasn't it? I think 2005 or 2006 is when I saw it though.
Arbiter  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 6:55:13 PM EST
I've seen three of them....well maybe they were all the same one.

First for $75,000 then for $125,000 then later on for $250,000.

All within the last ten years. Could all have been the same one.

I've seen pre-dealer samples owned buy dealers. These were all orginal M249 Minimi's. Not the modern version.

-Arbiter
583  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 6:56:59 PM EST
Here's one for sale.

http://www.autoweapons.com/photosn/photosaug04/804m249.html
WildBoar  [Member]
7/10/2011 6:57:06 PM EST
I friggin hated the on I humped in the Army. Not sure if I would want one as a civilian unless it was a killer deal. and worked well.
Danj  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 6:57:38 PM EST
What does a new unit cost for LE or .mil?

Can a dealer buy one directly from the factory if they have a LE demo letter or are doing R & D?
AllserviceBilliards  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 6:59:04 PM EST
I see them from time to time as post sample guns in th 7k to 9k range
82ND-ABN  [Site Staff]
7/10/2011 6:59:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
$3K if not for a handful of unConstitutional laws.


+1
GATITO  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:00:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By Danj:
What does a new unit cost for LE or .mil?

Can a dealer buy one directly from the factory if they have a LE demo letter or are doing R & D?


Mount it on a helicopter and take it to Texas for an American boar (fatter than a Russian boar) eradication mission.

Do werk.
Zack3g  [Life Member]
7/10/2011 7:03:28 PM EST
I've never seen a 249 offered for sale (pre86 anyway) Seen one 240. It was crazy expensive, 200k or something like that.
BobRoberts  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:10:03 PM EST
the -58 is way cooler
Arbiter  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:14:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zack3g:
I've never seen a 249 offered for sale (pre86 anyway) Seen one 240. It was crazy expensive, 200k or something like that.

Interesting...I've only ever seen MAG-58s for sale. Haven't seen a M240. Then again I haven't been looking for one.

-Arbiter
ccosby  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:16:08 PM EST
How bad you want one?

http://www.machinegunarmory.com/productsA.html

They sell a gun that is pretty much a clone but with a hk style trigger pack(and closed bolt). They are hella expensive though for a semi auto gun.
scottedward58  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:16:29 PM EST
The military pays like $12,000 for an M240 and I don't remember what a 249 goes for but it is not much less. It is comparable to what a 1919A4 cost at the start of WW2 in today's dollars but by the end of WW2 a 1919A4 only cost about $600 in today's dollar due to mass production and cost saving. Can you imagine how much money our govt. would save if they could ramp up production to cut costs by selling to civilians?

When you think about how little work goes into a belt fed MG the price we are paying is insane. A car is much more complex and a single model is produced in similar numbers but costs about the same for some of the cheaper ones as the 240.
Bettendorf  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:16:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By BobRoberts:
the -58 is way cooler

I dont know. I love the SAW. As long as it's great condition. Lighter, you can carry more ammo, easier to sling around, you can enter houses with it. Give me call next time you go fishing
Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:20:26 PM EST
$8000 or so.
Mattl  [Member]
7/10/2011 7:26:31 PM EST
Remove a couple of laws and 3Kish is probably quite accurate. Theink the USMil pays a bit over 5K
BobRoberts  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:28:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bettendorf:

Originally Posted By BobRoberts:
the -58 is way cooler

I dont know. I love the SAW. As long as it's great condition. Lighter, you can carry more ammo, easier to sling around, you can enter houses with it. Give me call next time you go fishing

I will, but I am afraid with my sister getting married the first weekend I could get would be the 23rd and I guess I have to go to some dudes "look at me I survived Afghanistan party now" So that weekend is out.

What is this carry bullshit. I choose my MOS because I wanted nothing to do with walking, thus why the -240 is the greatest machine gun ever. It is cheating to use it as a single shot to get the highest score on the qual range though.
Danj  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:39:55 PM EST
Doesn't the US gov pay under a grand for a basic m4, why are these belt feds so much more?
82nd_Sapper  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:54:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By Danj:
Doesn't the US gov pay under a grand for a basic m4, why are these belt feds so much more?


Unit price in 2007 was $860 for an m-4. I saw that actual supply form.
Billmanweh  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:56:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By Danj:
What does a new unit cost for LE or .mil?

Can a dealer buy one directly from the factory if they have a LE demo letter or are doing R & D?


I think around $8K and yes
Bettendorf  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:57:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By BobRoberts:

Originally Posted By Bettendorf:

Originally Posted By BobRoberts:
the -58 is way cooler

I dont know. I love the SAW. As long as it's great condition. Lighter, you can carry more ammo, easier to sling around, you can enter houses with it. Give me call next time you go fishing

I will, but I am afraid with my sister getting married the first weekend I could get would be the 23rd and I guess I have to go to some dudes "look at me I survived Afghanistan party now" So that weekend is out.

What is this carry bullshit. I choose my MOS because I wanted nothing to do with walking, thus why the -240 is the greatest machine gun ever. It is cheating to use it as a single shot to get the highest score on the qual range though.

No. That just means you were one of the smartest dudes on the qual range that day.
Bettendorf  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 7:58:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By 82nd_Sapper:
Originally Posted By Danj:
Doesn't the US gov pay under a grand for a basic m4, why are these belt feds so much more?


Unit price in 2007 was $860 for an m-4. I saw that actual supply form.
I saw the unit price in 2008 or so. Something like $540.

GTLandser  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 8:00:10 PM EST
Yeah, I'm a little confused...a base M4 aint that much (I recognize the rails, grips, lights, lasers, and sights, but I'm talking base model here)

So wth would a BASE M249 cost more than maybe $2k? I'm seeing widely variable numbers here.
Couch-Commando  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 8:03:20 PM EST
I'd prefer an MG3 or an MG42 converted to 308.
Bettendorf  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 8:12:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By GTLandser:
Yeah, I'm a little confused...a base M4 aint that much (I recognize the rails, grips, lights, lasers, and sights, but I'm talking base model here)

So wth would a BASE M249 cost more than maybe $2k? I'm seeing widely variable numbers here.

Have you ever seen a M249? Nothing like a M4. Just think about it for a bit. Look at some pictures, if you must and think, if it was soo easy, why won't folks who are making ar-15's out the ass right now make a Semi-auto M249? Those would sell like hot cakes. end thread.
Cpatterson  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 8:45:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bettendorf:

Originally Posted By GTLandser:
Yeah, I'm a little confused...a base M4 aint that much (I recognize the rails, grips, lights, lasers, and sights, but I'm talking base model here)

So wth would a BASE M249 cost more than maybe $2k? I'm seeing widely variable numbers here.

Have you ever seen a M249? Nothing like a M4. Just think about it for a bit. Look at some pictures, if you must and think, if it was soo easy, why won't folks who are making ar-15's out the ass right now make a Semi-auto M249? Those would sell like hot cakes. end thread.

a semi auto M249 is like a speed boat that uses paddles
Bettendorf  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 8:59:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Cpatterson:

Originally Posted By Bettendorf:

Originally Posted By GTLandser:
Yeah, I'm a little confused...a base M4 aint that much (I recognize the rails, grips, lights, lasers, and sights, but I'm talking base model here)

So wth would a BASE M249 cost more than maybe $2k? I'm seeing widely variable numbers here.

Have you ever seen a M249? Nothing like a M4. Just think about it for a bit. Look at some pictures, if you must and think, if it was soo easy, why won't folks who are making ar-15's out the ass right now make a Semi-auto M249? Those would sell like hot cakes. end thread.

a semi auto M249 is like a speed boat that uses paddles

My point, of course, is that it's not as easy to build a saw as it is a M4. And now I'm going to kiss my semi PKM that's sitting in the hallway and tell him that i love him.
www-glock19-com  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 9:04:12 PM EST
No clue how accurate FAS is but they say about 4K

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m249.htm

by way of comparison

M16 $586
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m16.htm

M9 $263
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m9.htm

M240 $6,600
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m240g.htm

assume economy of scale is hindering the MGs a bit

88_Sahara  [Member]
7/10/2011 9:30:34 PM EST
There used to be one at combat solutions in Va. It wasn't transferable and was 35k
agb104983  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 11:03:24 PM EST
There is only one transferable FN 249 Minimi. I know the guy who was one of the first owners. He bought it at a dealer in tulsa and sold it through Dan Shea sometime in the mid-90's. He paid somewhere around 3k back when he bought it in the late 80's.
agb104983  [Team Member]
7/10/2011 11:06:44 PM EST
Actually it might have been more like $2k
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