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 Is there anything that can be done with people defrauding disability?
1911greg  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:11:39 PM EST
I know this guy who is a total POS, he use to do odd jobs around the neighborhood but now he brags to everyone that he is getting so much money from disability he doesn't even need to work.

He even has disabled plates on his truck now which really pisses me off because I know disabled vets with prothetics who refuse to get those type of plates.

Is disability this lucrative that anyone can claim disabled and get a pay off to the state.

Is there any point in even reporting this type of thing or does the state simply not care?

It really chaps my ass that my tax dollars go to this guys dope habit.
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Partisan  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:15:45 PM EST
You can turn him in but I doubt the govt slugs would bother to investigate.
GySgt_D  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:18:53 PM EST
In the Marine Corps, we were encouraged to milk the system for every last red cent when we are discharged.


People looked at me like when they found out that I was not drawing disability from the VA.

Not to take away from people with legitimate claims, but the tales I've heard...


AFARR  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:19:42 PM EST
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I know this guy who is a total POS, he use to do odd jobs around the neighborhood but now he brags to everyone that he is getting so much money from disability he doesn't even need to work.

He even has disabled plates on his truck now which really pisses me off because I know disabled vets with prothetics who refuse to get those type of plates.

Is disability this lucrative that anyone can claim disabled and get a pay off to the state.

Is there any point in even reporting this type of thing or does the state simply not care?

It really chaps my ass that my tax dollars go to this guys dope habit.


Unfortunately for now, the State and Feds don't care (it's generally Social Security Disability...which means YOU and I are paying for him).

Personally, I think anyone without a readily visible (missing limbs, etc.) disability should be re-evaluated by an outside physician. And 'mental' disabilities (ADD, Depression, etc.) that are being paid as physical disabilities should be re-evaluated by a different physician EVERY year. Then if found to be fraudulent, seize all the possessions of the individual and sell to recover the money paid. There's way too many people that are being paid for similar issues....and it makes it hard for those with legitimate problems (those that need disability and can't get it).

AFARR

MovinMan  [Member]
5/10/2011 1:19:53 PM EST
They wont even field your phone call.

I used to arrest crack heads that had direct deposit tickets from the Social Security Administration for $1400 - $1600 a month for disability........drug related disability that is.

So basically the federal government payed them disability money to go out and buy more drugs to further their disability.
pighelmet  [Member]
5/10/2011 1:20:24 PM EST
Yep.

I know the same people.
VacaDuck  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:21:31 PM EST
State disability will pay me $780 a week until it runs out. I don't know what full Social Security disability pays.
1IV  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:21:44 PM EST
Yes

Make a list, with address and contact numbers.
Time dates and how much. If he recycles all by himself, then there is a papertrail.
They are allowed to earn up to $1,000 in irregular income and not affect SsI.
USMC0431  [Member]
5/10/2011 1:22:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By MovinMan:
They wont even field your phone call.

I used to arrest crack heads that had direct deposit tickets from the Social Security Administration for $1400 - $1600 a month for disability........drug related disability that is.

So basically the federal government payed them disability money to go out and buy more drugs to further their disability.


.......
DoberDude  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:22:57 PM EST
You don't just sign up for disability and retire. Doesn't work like that.

He has to have a doctor who is verifying/has verified his injury/disability.

There is also more than one type of disability payment.

Social Security disability is exactly what it sounds like. Others vary.

Don't be so quick to judge without the facts.

His checks may not be taxpayer dollar funded like everyone assumes.

He also may very well have a real disabilty that he will live with the rest of his life.

When I was injured on the job , the 2 people who despised me the most ended up on disability. (no taxpayer money was ever recieved by me).

No one knows what the future holds.
1911greg  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:23:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By GySgt_D:
In the Marine Corps, we were encouraged to milk the system for every last red cent when we are discharged.


People looked at me like when they found out that I was not drawing disability from the VA.

Not to take away from people with legitimate claims, but the tales I've heard...




its been tightened up quite a bit in the .mil

serving in combat and getting 10% disability for not being able to hear any more doesn't bother me.


my body is freaking jacked because of being a grunt...
pale_pony  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:27:33 PM EST
CAN something be done about work comp fraud???


HELL YES, it is a FELONY in this state!

Just ask the 62 people that I have put in Oklahoma prisons for doing the same!

References available on request...
MovinMan  [Member]
5/10/2011 1:28:38 PM EST
How about this guy that I spotted last year at a hamburger joint. He ordered more fried greasy food in one sitting than I could stomach over 2-3 days. Large onion rings, fried mushrooms, 2 bacon cheeseburgers, milkshake etc etc etc.

That envelope in his hand was from the social security office and was filled with hundreds and fifties. He couldnt have been more than 40 years old. Obviously gross obesity was his disability and he was using our money to feed that obesity.


Just a different kind of addiction.


Snowleopard  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:29:16 PM EST
Try calling your AG......it might work.
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MovinMan  [Member]
5/10/2011 1:29:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By pale_pony:
CAN something be done about work comp fraud???


HELL YES, it is a FELONY in this state!

Just ask the 62 people that I have put in Oklahoma prisons for doing the same!

References available on request...



Outstanding!!

Are you law enforcement or are you the employer?
Partisan  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:30:04 PM EST
Originally Posted By pale_pony:
CAN something be done about work comp fraud???


HELL YES, it is a FELONY in this state!

Just ask the 62 people that I have put in Oklahoma prisons for doing the same!

References available on request...


Thank you for your service to our country.
Spiffums  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:31:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By MovinMan:
They wont even field your phone call.

I used to arrest crack heads that had direct deposit tickets from the Social Security Administration for $1400 - $1600 a month for disability........drug related disability that is.

So basically the federal government payed them disability money to go out and buy more drugs to further their disability.

Damn maybe I need to get on crack. Stuttering (which is like being blind or deaf you either are or you aren't) and having worked and paying into the system for a couple of years only got me $1077. But I get the insurance now which is what I was going for anyway.
Alien  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:33:21 PM EST
I reported a neighbor's crazy ass mental (hardcore DRUG abuser) daughter for double dipping on SS disability once. Nothing came about from it.
tc556guy  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:35:09 PM EST
If he has disabled plates he had to show proof of disability to DMV.
You might try to figure out who is drawing disability through and hotlining him with whatever proof of fraud that you have and letting them investigate.
caexpat  [Member]
5/10/2011 1:35:36 PM EST
Am I in before the outraged people with relatives who have mysterious syndromes who can live just find, but must have handicap plates to park next to the mall?
BearJace  [Member]
5/10/2011 1:38:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By Partisan:
Originally Posted By pale_pony:
CAN something be done about work comp fraud???


HELL YES, it is a FELONY in this state!

Just ask the 62 people that I have put in Oklahoma prisons for doing the same!

References available on request...


Thank you for your service to our country.


FANTASTIC! Well done chap. Well done.

NoloContendere  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:38:15 PM EST
yes. call it in. (they) will investigate. trust me.
pale_pony  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:52:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By Partisan:
Originally Posted By pale_pony:
CAN something be done about work comp fraud???


HELL YES, it is a FELONY in this state!

Just ask the 62 people that I have put in Oklahoma prisons for doing the same!

References available on request...


Thank you for your service to our country.


I have done no service for my country. That is reserved for those who have earned it and I have not.

I'm not a cop either, I'm a scumbag PI...

Our agency specializes in insurance related matters, including insurance fraud. We work for some of the biggest insurance companies in the US. All privately finded by the companies, we don't cost the taxpayers a dime.
It's taken me 16 years to accumulate that case total, but there have been some doozies in there. All of these are researched cases presented to law enforcement for prosecution. The DA's and prosecutors love us because we give them slam-dunk cases that they don't have to work.

We make good investigations, and have a lot of fun doing it too.

parabellum_9x19  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:55:49 PM EST
I have known people who were on disability for "depression".

They were useless fucking idiots who offered nothing to the world, taking anything they could get to avoid actually growing the fuck up and working.

Its a sad state of affairs.
ByNameRequest  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:57:35 PM EST
What is with some people?
DragoMuseveni  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:57:54 PM EST
Yes it's very simple but no one has the balls to do it because those that dare speak of it the soultion to disability fraud are discounted as Nazis.









The soulution to disability fraud is to stop giving money to disabled people. Either their family or a private charity takes care of them, if not they expire like a disabled animal in the wild.


Edit: Unless you paid for some type of disability insurance.
pale_pony  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 1:59:34 PM EST
What REALLY pisses me off is watching all the stuff that people who are really hurt have to put up with because a few fraudsters abuse the system.

Disability is for those who TRULY need it, and this is a big bad world. People get hurt every day and most that I see want to get back to work as soon as possible.

There are a few real bastards that screw it up for everyone.
Partisan  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 2:03:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By pale_pony:
Originally Posted By Partisan:
Originally Posted By pale_pony:
CAN something be done about work comp fraud???


HELL YES, it is a FELONY in this state!

Just ask the 62 people that I have put in Oklahoma prisons for doing the same!

References available on request...


Thank you for your service to our country.


I have done no service for my country. That is reserved for those who have earned it and I have not.

I'm not a cop either, I'm a scumbag PI...

Our agency specializes in insurance related matters, including insurance fraud. We work for some of the biggest insurance companies in the US. All privately finded by the companies, we don't cost the taxpayers a dime.
It's taken me 16 years to accumulate that case total, but there have been some doozies in there. All of these are researched cases presented to law enforcement for prosecution. The DA's and prosecutors love us because we give them slam-dunk cases that they don't have to work.

We make good investigations, and have a lot of fun doing it too.



Catching people who defraud insurance companies IS A SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY. I hate thieves and to have someone like you who nails them –– well thanks.
Leisure_Shoot  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 2:04:49 PM EST
Issue him 1099's in large amounts for work done to your home.





ETA: don't actually do this (as tempting as it sounds.)
pale_pony  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 2:38:46 PM EST
Seriously, call up your state's AG's office and ask if they have a disability fraud unit. They'll be in the blue pages and the worse thing they can do is tell you "no".

Aside of that, you can look up your local court house and see if this guy has any obvious litigations against an insurance company. If you see that he had some civil case marked "Dismissed With Prejudice", it means that he won a settlement from the company. Look up that company and tell them that you'd like to report some fraud that one of their insured is committing against them. I will guarantee that someone will be eager to listen to you.
C-4  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 2:45:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I know this guy who is a total POS, he use to do odd jobs around the neighborhood but now he brags to everyone that he is getting so much money from disability he doesn't even need to work.

He even has disabled plates on his truck now which really pisses me off because I know disabled vets with prothetics who refuse to get those type of plates.

Is disability this lucrative that anyone can claim disabled and get a pay off to the state.

Is there any point in even reporting this type of thing or does the state simply not care?

It really chaps my ass that my tax dollars go to this guys dope habit.


There are two separate systems: public and private.

In the private system such as Workmen's Compensation, insurance companies use well-paid 'independent' doctors to deny claims. The person lawyers up. Sometimes they win their case. Some of them are trying to work the system. Believe it or not, this is a small percentage.

If they fail, the default is to apply for Social Security Disability. It's not easy to get this, but considerably easier than private disability since there is no large insurance company to defend the claim.

I really don't see the point of reporting it. Once a Social Security Disability claim is approved, it's never reviewed. At that point the only thing they care about is whether the person is working under the table for additional income above a certain threshold, somewhere around 800-$1000.

So if he's not even working anymore doing odd jobs, he's likely not committing any crime.

If you really care about the system, elect politicians that will eliminate:

1) Social Security Disability
2) Social Security
3) Medicare
4) Medicaid
etc.

The system is rotten to the core so I would stop worrying about your neighbor.

VACaver  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 2:51:58 PM EST
I once had an interview for a job investigating disabilty/welfare fraud. I made it to the third interview, then was told that I was being turned down due to the fact that my experience and eagerness would result in too many people being caught.

That told me right there that fraud is an accepted part of the programs.

Nothing will ever be done about it. Peoples jobs depend on it.
HighandtotheRight  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 2:55:55 PM EST
I've got a brother-in-law that Dr. shopped until he found one that would say he was disabled. He's a true piece of SHIT.
VACaver  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 3:14:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By HighandtotheRight:
I've got a brother-in-law that Dr. shopped until he found one that would say he was disabled. He's a true piece of SHIT.


I know a guy who is 100% disabled due to "shrapnel in his back from his time in Vietnam". He can't work, yet owns and does his own maintenance on a couple of apartment buildings.

It'll never go away...
pale_pony  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 3:28:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By VACaver:
Originally Posted By HighandtotheRight:
I've got a brother-in-law that Dr. shopped until he found one that would say he was disabled. He's a true piece of SHIT.


I know a guy who is 100% disabled due to "shrapnel in his back from his time in Vietnam". He can't work, yet owns and does his own maintenance on a couple of apartment buildings.

It'll never go away...


Call your local VA hospital. Not many people know this, but the Veteran's Administration has it's own police department. We have crossed cases with them a few times. They also investigate VA disability fraud.

BustinCaps  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 3:29:36 PM EST
Disable him. Now he is getting what he deserves.
C-4  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 3:47:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By VACaver:
I once had an interview for a job investigating disabilty/welfare fraud. I made it to the third interview, then was told that I was being turned down due to the fact that my experience and eagerness would result in too many people being caught.

That told me right there that fraud is an accepted part of the programs.


Nothing will ever be done about it. Peoples jobs depend on it.


Disability and welfare programs are fraud.
pale_pony  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 3:48:27 PM EST
Without a doubt, the worst case I ever worked was a guy who had not only filed a bogus work comp claim, but he was also getting medical treatment at VA hospitals...

....wait for it,

....here's the punch line;

HE NEVER SERVED.

This guy was walking around with a phony DD214 that was printed in 4 different fonts. The year was 2000 so remember, inkjet printers weren't popular yet. It was all cut-and-paste the hard way and then photocopied. Said he was a "major" in the "special forces" and had his Master's degree in Engineering and specialized in demolition. Somehow, he conned the VA into giving him services. Go figure...


When we got done with him, he had both state and federal convictions. State was for comp fraud, federal was for getting bogus VA benefits. He got to serve his sentences concurrently.
AFARR  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 4:14:08 PM EST
My story....(one of many).

At my prior practice, I had a young guy come in on his 18th birthday. Had a congenital problem with his foot/leg (residual club foot issues...mostly corrected, but some issues). I told him could keep him active with a simple brace. The next words out of his mouth..."my Mom said to ask if I can get disability". I tell him we have to try to treat it and see if we can get him functional (he was already functional, but claimed pain....nothing that I could reproduce on clinical exam however)...

He misses his next appointment a week later.

Then shows up a few days later with his disability paperwork***** with his girlfriend and their kid in tow.

My assistant tells me that the WHOLE family has been coming to that practice for years and ALL of them are on disability. My patient turned 18, so his Mom lost the check she'd get for him.


****I filled the paperwork in "Fully capable of work...no restrictions or limitations. Patient refused treatment"...and sent it directly in.

Now to put it in perspective...I have a current patient with MUCH worse foot issues (similar in nature) that's a Manager at a Fast Food restaurant...works 10-12 hour days 5 or 6 days a week. We see him occasionally for checks. Big difference in attitude between the two.

AFARR
pdm  [Team Member]
5/10/2011 4:21:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By GySgt_D:
In the Marine Corps, we were encouraged to milk the system for every last red cent when we are discharged.


People looked at me like when they found out that I was not drawing disability from the VA.

Not to take away from people with legitimate claims, but the tales I've heard...




I agree with a caveat. Regardless of whether you draw disability or not it's vital that you get those injuries documented well by the VA. I spent well about 20 years on jump status and did all the other "hoo ha" stuff...those little "ankle-biter" injuries that were present at retirement 9 years ago are coming back with a vengeance. If it's not documented by the VA when you retire you'll have hell to pay trying to get disability when you need it.

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