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 Protection dogs... Looking for input.
JarheadChiro  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 5:30:42 PM
Bred for protection, and already trained.


Thanks.
makintrax73  [Member]
4/25/2011 5:40:09 PM
Start looking for Schutzhund breeder/competitors within driving distance and start showing up at events and watching how their dogs work ?

.....and If the dog seems even remotely inexpensive walk away?
FlashHole  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 5:41:11 PM
Is that a statement or question?

If it's a question, then I love my GSD. He's not bite trained, but is definitely protective and highly trainable .


ETA....Trained dogs are very expensive. A qualtiy GSD that's fully trained will run 5-10k.
DiddyMas  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 5:58:23 PM
http://www.nashvillek9.com/

Obviously this is in Nashville, but there should be similar operations in your neck of the woods/desert.

They only have one dog for sale @ the moment anyway, a badass Cane Corso. Check the "dogs" link.
yenrab  [Member]
4/25/2011 6:09:29 PM
Masstifs
Castillo  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 6:11:16 PM
Don't get a Boxer, when mine falls asleep someone could take everything in the house including the copper wires and he wouldn't wake up.
swingset  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 6:12:47 PM

Originally Posted By JarheadChiro:
Bred for protection, and already trained.


Thanks.

I sure hope you don't believe you're going to get a guard dog, and it's just going to be a pliable badass at your disposal.

80% of an effective protection animals training is for YOU, learning how to control and command the animal.
1387Delta  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 6:17:02 PM
Very high end..

http://www.harrisonk9.com/
Zedhead  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 6:26:16 PM
Mr_Harry  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 6:58:53 PM
GSD

The best breed ever

Intelligent, discerning, and loyal.

Awesome with kids, but ferocious when needed
cvanbrunt  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 7:04:52 PM

Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
GSD

The best breed ever

Intelligent, discerning, and loyal.

Awesome with kids, but ferocious when needed


Mine..

She has grown up with my boy, got her when he was 3 and they are inseparable when he is here...when he is with his mom, she lays in his bedroom or is looking for him.

gunrunnergirl  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 7:24:34 PM


Doberman all the way. Mine is bite trained and incredibly intelligent and faithful to the family.
red_on_black  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 7:26:56 PM
Originally Posted By yenrab:
Masstifs



And for Pete's sake make sure you get a type of dag that can spell.
gunrunnergirl  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 7:30:14 PM


He can also be a big baby as seen above lol, Great family and protection dog.
RRALower  [Member]
4/25/2011 7:32:08 PM
Great Danes FTW

They were bred for estate protection and they do it very well.

I have two AKC Danes - both imported from Belgium, a harlequin dame (160 lb) and her daughter (130 lb). They protect the family with ferocity, heck, the younger one got pissed when I was rough-housing with my 8yo son.
TecRsq  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 7:48:39 PM
Never protection trained, only the basics on manners and obedience and he's never failed to exceed expectations.

A bonus is you get a breed that truly loves to be a part of the family and a first class clown in his own right.

sigp47  [Member]
4/25/2011 7:53:55 PM
Rottweiler or Presa canario are pure bred protection dogs.
DontShootMyDog  [Member]
4/25/2011 7:56:29 PM
Originally Posted By red_on_black:
Originally Posted By yenrab:
Masstifs



And for Pete's sake make sure you get a type of dag that can spell.




English Mastiffs are pretty much the best dogs in the world. Not a hell of a lot of training required, either.

However, my buddy with a mastiff that hit 200 pounds in a year, has said that if he ever needed anything, or anyone protected, he'd get a GSD. I can't really argue with him. GSDs are just different.
red_on_black  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 9:09:57 PM
Originally Posted By DontShootMyDog:
Originally Posted By red_on_black:
Originally Posted By yenrab:
Masstifs



And for Pete's sake make sure you get a type of dag that can spell.




English Mastiffs are pretty much the best dogs in the world. Not a hell of a lot of training required, either.

However, my buddy with a mastiff that hit 200 pounds in a year, has said that if he ever needed anything, or anyone protected, he'd get a GSD. I can't really argue with him. GSDs are just different.



I had an Old English Mastiff years ago. I agree that they're great dogs. I'd love to have another. However, they're built for flat ground and slow walks. Fine for keeping folks out of your backyard, but definitely not a dog to take for long runs or anything like that.

OP, keep in mind, too, that larger breeds tend to have shorter lifespans and more joint problems due to weight. (That's not to say smaller dogs will always live longer and have better health. Some small breeds have terrible in-bred health issues.) A mastiff's lifespan will generally be less than ten years.
hushpuppy  [Member]
4/25/2011 9:22:58 PM
we have had:

A rottie

A dogue de bordeux

An american bulldog (sitting on my left elbow right now)

A mutt from the pound, lab/terrier cross (on my shins right now)

all have been the ultimate alarm systems
millfire517  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 9:25:03 PM
American Bulldog!

My AB's Grandpa

taylor7401  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 9:29:42 PM
A good Amstaff. Wonderfully faithful, wonderfully protective, and when they come from good lines and good people they are the best behaved dogs. Good sixe as well, mine is 85lbs, solid as a rock, and as protective yet reserved in aggression as one could hope in a dog.


Daniel

P.S. GSD are great as well, had one that saved my mother from an over eager salesman that tried to forcibly enter,
Foxnews_FTW  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 9:31:57 PM
Anyone ever had a dutch* shepherd?
nsw8148  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 9:33:23 PM
Anatolian Shepherd. Ours has had no "official" training, but the guardian instincts are amazing. Its almost like they have been doing it for thousands of years


MochaJava  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 10:11:57 PM
I have been around a lot of dogs and there is only one that, by appearance alone, scared me. It didn't help that the owner could barely hold on. They are Great Dane height at the withers.

The Boerboel is a large, mastiff dog breed from South Africa, bred for the purpose of guarding the homestead. These dogs were often a first line of defense against predators and were valuable in tracking and holding down wounded game. Old farmers tell many tales of the strength, agility, and courage of their Boerboels.

xaaronx  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 10:17:27 PM
Pitbull. I've had so many problems with gsds that the pit is my go to dog. It's like if the game "rock, paper, scissors" had a grenade option.

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abnk  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 10:19:41 PM
There's a thread in the Pets subforum on this topic. Read it.
ffsparky26  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 10:25:40 PM
Just use a gun, dogs are a lot of work. It takes way more training to properly handle a dog than it does to handle a gun.
Colby  [Member]
4/25/2011 10:29:08 PM
Originally Posted By MochaJava:
I have been around a lot of dogs and there is only one that, by appearance alone, scared me. It didn't help that the owner could barely hold on. They are Great Dane height at the withers.

The Boerboel is a large, mastiff dog breed from South Africa, bred for the purpose of guarding the homestead. These dogs were often a first line of defense against predators and were valuable in tracking and holding down wounded game. Old farmers tell many tales of the strength, agility, and courage of their Boerboels.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/Bigzphotos/Boerboel.png


I had a smaller, female Boerboel out of Blackwell that was an excellent dog. She could literally go from a a sleeve bite, to licking a kid in the face in under 30 seconds. The problem with this breed is that most of the breeders are not breeding for temperament or health, only size or an appearance. I will be the first to admit that the vast majority of Boerboels are nothing more than fat tubs of poorly-bred goo. Boerboels have low prey drives, but some will have correct (read insane) protection drives. Fight drive in a correct Boerboel is fairly intense. But finding a correct Boerboel is a complete crap shoot. I would probably only get one from Harris in Kansas or Tashi in the DC area....
uafgrad  [Life Member]
4/25/2011 10:38:26 PM
We (as do several other members) have a Dogue De Bordeaux aka French Mastiff
Hooch from Turner and Hooch is a Dogue

I can tell you without a doubt, the two that I have had (one died at 9, the other is now about 18 months) are some of the smartest, most loyal animals I have ever been around.

I have no doubt that mine would go through a door/window/wall to get to me if he thought I was in trouble. When my kids cry they are very inquisitive and will literally be right there. If they sense (best we I can describe it) conflict/stress/danger (they seem to have a sixth, they will try to guide you away from it or place themselves in between you and the threat.
Mine have absoutely no training, if anything we do everything we can to socialize him to prevent unwanted situations.

With that being said, break into my house or come at my family, hope I get you before the dog does

I don't have any current pictures, here's his Dad (for reference he is 155 pounds)



dab2  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 10:45:35 PM
Here's my two cents...As a utility worker of 27 years I've had to face many dogs. The two that bit me in that time were Labs. I find them to be very territorial. The other dogs that intimidated me were Pit Bulls, German Shepherds, Rottwielers and a few Heinz 57 junk yard dogs. Probably the most psychotic dog breeds I've run into are Dalmatians and Cocker Spaniels. Now I know it depends on how these breeds are trained but the biggest sissy dogs that are portrayed in the movies as vicious guard dogs were the Dobermans. I've had more of those dogs tuck tail and run then any other 'badass' breed I've come across.
bulldog1967  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 10:49:21 PM

Originally Posted By TecRsq:
Never protection trained, only the basics on manners and obedience and he's never failed to exceed expectations.

A bonus is you get a breed that truly loves to be a part of the family and a first class clown in his own right.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i254/TecRsq/Pet%20Pics/c919b455.jpg

This.
Colby  [Member]
4/25/2011 10:54:04 PM
OP, whatever you do, don't believe any marketing hype from the breeder or the AKC. If the breeder makes a claim, ask them to substantiate it. Many, many dogs from good breedings will never have what it takes to ever engage a human and take a bite. I've seen multi-generational Schutzhund dogs fail to take a bite. Breeding tested and proven dogs will increase the odds that you might get a good prospect, but it is no guarantee. Getting a dog from untested, unproven parentage is pretty foolhardy. AKC papers are worthless.

I've seen some pretty fierce looking dogs appear as if they would make good PP prospects, only to see them back off and not engage at the last minute. Caveat emptor...
red_on_black  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 10:54:58 PM
Originally Posted By uafgrad:
We (as do several other members) have a Dogue De Bordeaux aka French Mastiff
Hooch from Turner and Hooch is a Dogue

I can tell you without a doubt, the two that I have had (one died at 9, the other is now about 18 months) are some of the smartest, most loyal animals I have ever been around.

I have no doubt that mine would go through a door/window/wall to get to me if he thought I was in trouble. When my kids cry they are very inquisitive and will literally be right there. If they sense (best we I can describe it) conflict/stress/danger (they seem to have a sixth, they will try to guide you away from it or place themselves in between you and the threat.
Mine have absoutely no training, if anything we do everything we can to socialize him to prevent unwanted situations.

With that being said, break into my house or come at my family, hope I get you before the dog does

I don't have any current pictures, here's his Dad (for reference he is 155 pounds)

http://www.ddbs.org/Champions/Champion%20AKC%20Photos/CreedCH.jpg




Beautiful. I've wanted a Dague de Bordeaux for many years.
6winchester2  [Life Member]
4/25/2011 10:57:26 PM
Originally Posted By gunrunnergirl:
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww67/tigergirl29/doberman-1.jpg

Doberman all the way. Mine is bite trained and incredibly intelligent and faithful to the family.


Another vote for the Dobermann.

If I was going to get a protection dog, this is the one I would get.
Recusance  [Member]
4/25/2011 11:06:48 PM
what ever you decide to get, make sure you get the name of a good lawyer, if your dog ever bits someone (in defense or accident) you're going to need him.
Prae  [Member]
4/25/2011 11:14:27 PM
Blue Heeler? Ours is 60lbs of demonic fury.
MajorStumpDemon  [Member]
4/25/2011 11:15:31 PM
the hyenas are kool, but the baboon could probably be trained to drive your car

E-Mag  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 11:19:43 PM
I have a Shiba Inu while it will not kill anyone like a big dog will she is VERY territorial and will alert to people/animals around the house. When she barks quieter and lower it is her I think there is a serious problem bark. To be honest I don't want a animal that can tear up a man I would rather have a pet that alerts me and I can deal with the threat as needed.

HERE is the little guard guarding my rifles


pigmypuncher  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 11:32:12 PM
Whatever breeder you choose, be sure to check their references and the dog's pedigree. You don't want to pay 10k + for a trained dog, and then pay thousands more in vet bills.

I obviously don't know your situation, but are you certain a trained protection dog is what you really need? We headed down that path initially as well. However, after being interviewed by the breeder, he suggested that unless we just HAD to have a Schutzhund, we could save a thousands of dollars and still get a great family companion that would protect the home. He was right. After going through his available pups, he selected one that fit our family, and it's natural 'pack' instinct is enough protection for our family. All that said, if money is no object or circumstances mandate the training is necessary - I wouldn't hesitate for a second going the GSD/Schutzhund route... All of the military working dogs I had contact with during my AD days were GSD mixes.
grey50beast  [Member]
4/25/2011 11:42:49 PM
No training but my 18 mo gsd/border collie >all your dogs combined
I was in kroger while my gf was standing outside with Parker and I heard him erupt from inside at the wine aisle. Some crack head was trying to get money from the gf and he wasnt having any of it. Plus he's the best looking mix ive seen and loves kids and non crackheads I introduce him to

The day I got him

Last month, he's on a queen bed for size reference and hes still filling out at 90lbs now and his 10lb mini me named Cat is next to him.
DonKey153  [Team Member]
4/26/2011 1:28:09 PM
Originally Posted By Prae:
Blue Heeler? Ours is 60lbs of demonic fury.


I've only seen my red with his hair up a few times, but the meter man was up on top of the fence last time it happened. I told the dumbass to knock on the door before entering the backyard...
EMSflyer  [Team Member]
4/26/2011 1:53:45 PM
Always had GSDs and have one now.

Never wanted any other type of dog.

Can go from playing with the kids to guard dog mode
and back to playing with kids.

Even the one we have now which is kind of a "high strung"
male and a little on edge around strangers, is very sweet and caring around
our toddler grandson. They are best buds when grandson is at our house.

Don't get one already trained. Instead get an 6-8 week old puppy and train it yourself.
It must live in the house with you and be part of your "pack"!
DLaw  [Team Member]
4/26/2011 1:56:43 PM
Originally Posted By nsw8148:
Anatolian Shepherd. Ours has had no "official" training, but the guardian instincts are amazing. Its almost like they have been doing it for thousands of years




This! The breed has phenomenal guard instincts..

winddummy82  [Team Member]
4/26/2011 1:57:19 PM
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1911greg  [Team Member]
4/26/2011 1:57:58 PM


Is that a bear
1911greg  [Team Member]
4/26/2011 2:02:02 PM
i would say just get a GSD, they are protective enough without any bite training. With that said the dogs with bite training seem to get a little too aggressive and cant really be family dogs anymore. But thats just MHE with a few dogs who have been put thru it.
roofgoat  [Member]
4/26/2011 2:23:36 PM
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
GSD

The best breed ever

Intelligent, discerning, and loyal.

Awesome with kids, but ferocious when needed


other than a trained GSD, what makes you say that?. I have a 2 y/o male GSD from decent german lines. Not trained. Very sweet dog around my family and I have 2 young kids. I also have 2 older retrievers and they generally all get along.

I love Wes, but he does not give me the impression of being a badass to strangers. Maybe I'm wrong. Now the female Flatcoat Retriever, although sweet, can be a real alpha bitch to any dog she cares to. My feeling on her is that she could be a handful to an attacker, even though she is medium small framed dog.

I'm just curious, is your experience with non trained GSD's that when needed, will do the job?
Foxnews_FTW  [Team Member]
4/26/2011 10:11:28 PM
Originally Posted By roofgoat:
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
GSD

The best breed ever

Intelligent, discerning, and loyal.

Awesome with kids, but ferocious when needed


other than a trained GSD, what makes you say that?. I have a 2 y/o male GSD from decent german lines. Not trained. Very sweet dog around my family and I have 2 young kids. I also have 2 older retrievers and they generally all get along.

I love Wes, but he does not give me the impression of being a badass to strangers. Maybe I'm wrong. Now the female Flatcoat Retriever, although sweet, can be a real alpha bitch to any dog she cares to. My feeling on her is that she could be a handful to an attacker, even though she is medium small framed dog.

I'm just curious, is your experience with non trained GSD's that when needed, will do the job?


I've talked to several GSD owners, only one had one that was formally trained. The others had only basic discipline. Of those "others":
-bumps in the night were investigated by all of those dogs
-one may or may not have bitten a family friend in the buttocks when they attempted to sneak into the house and were not properly introduced
-delivery men received the bark treatment
-One's 120lb+ GSD chased a TERRIFIED meter reader back to their truck (he was old, territorial, but a big powerful dog, big frame, big head)

-The larger GSDs were a very effective deterrent.... even for trick or treaters
-None (Fortunately) ever had to bite a BG. woodland critters were not as fortunate
georgestrings  [Member]
4/26/2011 10:25:21 PM
This guy does an outstanding job for us, with minimal training - but lots of interaction with us:





He was only 9 months old in that pic, and was already on the job...


- georgestrings
Rudolf_Diesel  [Member]
4/26/2011 10:32:27 PM
Originally Posted By georgestrings:
This guy does an outstanding job for us, with minimal training - but lots of interaction with us:


http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss118/georgestrings/Ruger9months005-1.jpg


He was only 9 months old in that pic, and was already on the job...


- georgestrings


He looks great. Nice going.