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 How many people here are holding their weapon this way now?
capnrob97  [Life Member]
4/18/2011 2:35:14 PM EST
I guess it is the new thing.

Looks like the reverse chicken wing to me, and uncomfortable to shoot for extended periods like this.

I assume it is effective, just doesn't look very natural.

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762minigun2  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:35:56 PM EST
nope
HeliBoy  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:36:27 PM EST
Not me
flyfishnepa  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:36:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I guess it is the new thing.


nope
fettesbrotde  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:37:26 PM EST
People only do it because they want to copy the Magpul videos.

It's fucking stupid IMO.
Inebriated  [Member]
4/18/2011 2:37:26 PM EST
I hold my weapons like I've got sense.... so no.
Gamma762  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:37:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I guess it is the new thing.

"What's old is new again"

Guys were shooting this way in Vietnam. It does work.

In the Vietnam era there was a system developed called "Quick Kill" which included the extended support arm for rapid accurate aiming, recoil control and fast transitions to multiple targets. In the 70's the SAS developed a somewhat similar technique of using an extended support arm with an MP5, pushing outward against a single point sling with no stock, for CQB/CT work.... the newer style swelled foregrip for MP5s (and the sling swivel only receiver rear cap) were developed for that - just like what the AFG does.
RoverG79  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:37:40 PM EST
outofbattery  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:37:52 PM EST
I'm not Tier 1 enough to hold a gun like that.
hodgescl  [Member]
4/18/2011 2:38:07 PM EST
nope. gets in the way of the perifs.
capnrob97  [Life Member]
4/18/2011 2:38:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I guess it is the new thing.

"What's old is new again"

Guys were shooting this way in Vietnam. It does work.

Interesting.

wesmerc  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:38:13 PM EST
I use a modified version depending on the gun.
tyman  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:38:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By 762minigun2:
nope


wesmerc  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:38:55 PM EST
Originally Posted By capnrob97:

Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
I guess it is the new thing.

"What's old is new again"

Guys were shooting this way in Vietnam. It does work.

Interesting.



where is the pic of the SA's shooting FALs this way?
RoverG79  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:38:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By fettesbrotde:
People only do it because they want to copy the Magpul videos.

It's fucking stupid IMO.


To the extent people are extending there off hand....it is stupid. Dont get me started on these little aimpoints, its like looking down a straw!
brionz  [Member]
4/18/2011 2:39:05 PM EST
It's good for shooting and moving because the arm straight out helps with fast accurate aim. But for anything that isn't rapid fire shoot/move scenario, this type hold isn't as effective. Also helps with muzzle rise/recoil management. If it looks weird, it's because it's different. Try it then knock it.
WilliamGray  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:39:25 PM EST
Well, there was the magpul VFG, then that modified door stop they are pimping now, and as soon as the printer repair guys quit buying them, they will probably come out with the HFG, similar to mossberg's chainsaw bullshit.

I am waiting to see how the tactical grip on the HFG will look.
Imbehindyou  [Member]
4/18/2011 2:39:29 PM EST
BCM45  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:39:38 PM EST
nope
6winchester2  [Life Member]
4/18/2011 2:39:55 PM EST
Observation on shooting stances:

There is no "one size fits all" answer for everyone.

Everyone has different bodies, different physiques, different eye dominance, different "handed-ness", etc.

I do not criticize anyone for doing what works for THEM.

I would not use that stance. No way.

But if it works for him...
COZ  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:43:41 PM EST
How in the F**K is that supposed to do anything but fatige your left arm quicker?
gomulego  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:44:05 PM EST
I shoot more like this actually.

SevenMaryThree  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:44:46 PM EST


I haven't fired an AR15 in almost three years.
California_Kid  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:46:13 PM EST
Never.
1Andy2  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:46:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:

Hi. My name's SevenMaryThree ... and I haven't fired an AR15 in almost three years.


I fixed it for you.

allenNH  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:46:37 PM EST
Not I.

I haven't really bought into the VFG craze either. Front of the magwell works just fine for me.
LightningII  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:46:46 PM EST
maybe on a rapidly moving target.
I put my guide hand out pretty far on a bird gun.

for precision rifle work? I don't think it's a good position.

ETA;
I point my index finger ( at the bird) along the side of my shotgun barrels as well. it seems to help line up and track on the flying target.
Umbrellacorp  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:47:19 PM EST
Im not a fanboy idiot.. So no I don't shoot like that.
RedZ71  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:47:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By gomulego:
I shoot more like this actually.

http://www.wessexscene.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/gunlegs.png


lmao
Zenvo  [Member]
4/18/2011 2:47:54 PM EST
i hate those grips....+ personal opinion they look like crap but on a good note i did just pick up a nice set of these so i can look like a bad ass G!

RedZ71  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:47:55 PM EST
i would need 10.5" arms in order to shoot like that.
dan1802  [Member]
4/18/2011 2:49:08 PM EST
cant say that i do
Lootie23  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:49:12 PM EST
Cuts off the peripheral vision on the left side.

Looks retarded.
Orbital-Burn  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:49:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By LightningII:
maybe on a rapidly moving target.
I put my guide hand out pretty far on a bird gun.

for precision rifle work? I don't think it's a good position.


it's not, behind the magwell is best for accurate shooting when you have time and prone is not an option.
Rhude  [Member]
4/18/2011 2:50:31 PM EST
Supposedly it's also for squaring you off against the target, so that body armor isn't reduced to 50% coverage due to the armhole being exposed thus making a straight shot to the heart possible.
sebailey885221  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:51:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By RoverG79:
Originally Posted By fettesbrotde:
People only do it because they want to copy the Magpul videos.

It's fucking stupid IMO.


To the extent people are extending there off hand....it is stupid. Dont get me started on these little aimpoints, its like looking down a straw!

Actually the micro Aimpoints are meant for both eyes open shooting, and when used this way the red dot is super imposed over your target. For me it is very effective.
Bettendorf  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:51:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By Lootie23:
Cuts off the peripheral vision on the left side.

Looks retarded.


It's already been stated in this thread and I fully agree.
fettesbrotde  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:52:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By RedZ71:
i would need 10.5" arms in order to shoot like that.


You're gonna need a stamp for those.
StealthyBlagga  [Member]
4/18/2011 2:52:37 PM EST
i am an active 3-gun competitor. I shoot this way a lot of the time. This technique is common amongst the winningest 3-gun competitors because it works well on close range (0-50 yards) hoser stages when shooting off-hand. The further out the arm is, the faster you can transition between targets. It may look silly, but it is effective. If you want silly, look at all the lemmings who put their support hand on the mag well, which is just about the slowest way to do target transitions
ecgRN  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:52:58 PM EST
But....but.....Costa does it. It's gotta be tier one right? Right?



skinnysarge79  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:53:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By RedZ71:
i would need 10.5" arms in order to shoot like that.


I'd need an AR with a 24" varmint barrel. My arms hang down past my knees, like the missing link.
straatconst  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:54:03 PM EST
I can't keep up with all these new techniques.
Damnit, I'm still trying to perfect the "Somalian Overhead".
It's really hard to run about, jacking the bolt on my Mosin, over my head, while doing this technique.
I do get a lot of attention at the range though.
I'm not changing, I'm sticking with what I know.





capnrob97  [Life Member]
4/18/2011 2:56:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By StealthyBlagga:
i am an active 3-gun competitor. I shoot this way a lot of the time. This technique is common amongst the winningest 3-gun competitors because it works well on close range (0-50 yards) hoser stages when shooting off-hand. The further out the arm is, the faster you can transition between targets. It may look silly, but it is effective. If you want silly, look at all the lemmings who put their support hand on the mag well .
Ok, that makes sense.

pseudojd  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:57:15 PM EST


Take a second and try it, you will be a believer.

1. support barrel by holding left hand underneath and cup handguard. scope out a few targets and get an idea of how steady you are.



2. move than hand clockwise and get your thumb over the top if you can. Scope out those same targets and you will see a MUCH steadier view.

CWO  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 2:57:21 PM EST
No thanks.
LazarusLong  [Member]
4/18/2011 2:59:11 PM EST
I tried it, liked it and now use it. Guys shooting rifles in competition were shooting like that in the 80's, as was mentioned before, guys in Vietnam and South Africa were doing it too. It's not new.. If you like it use it, if you don't, shut the fuck up about it because no one cares.
oldschool63  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 3:00:13 PM EST
no

kcolg30  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 3:00:41 PM EST
It is a FAD..it will pass. Just like piston AR's. Give it about 2 years and everyone will return to using the AR the way Stoner intended it to be used.
ttushooter  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 3:01:39 PM EST
I use a modified version of it. I put my support arm out pretty far down the rail, but not where it is completely straight. and I don't have my stock collapsed all the way.

Works pretty well for me.
tojan19  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 3:02:07 PM EST
Works pretty good for me. It does make for great transitions close up and I find I can put multiple rounds on target a lot faster. That said, If I'm not using a rifle with a hand grip or AFG to index off of, I find myself slipping back a ways.
mak0  [Team Member]
4/18/2011 3:03:16 PM EST
Watch a three gun match, almost all the competitors shoot their rifles with their support arm far out on the handguard. It allows for quicker transitions on close targets.
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