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 Mobil 1 or Pennzoil Ultra???
M4-AK  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 5:08:16 AM EST
I'm switching to Pennzoil.
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vanilla_gorilla  [Member]
3/30/2011 5:08:59 AM EST
Switching to M1.
strat81  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 5:10:14 AM EST
Hurr durr, that Pennzoil will sludge yer motor, boy! Derp Derp Derp!
gwitness  [Member]
3/30/2011 5:12:18 AM EST
Kendall titanium synthetic.
sq40  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 5:15:22 AM EST
Mobil 1 has always worked well in my engines. Try running a Turbo i4 at 18psi for 225,000 miles on anything else..
XMM  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 5:19:07 AM EST
Question: is it OK to mix brands and weights? I want to do an oil change but I have four qts of 10W-30 Mobil 1 and one qt of Amsoil 0W-30. No big deal?
M4-AK  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 5:24:43 AM EST
Originally Posted By XMM:
Question: is it OK to mix brands and weights? I want to do an oil change but I have four qts of 10W-30 Mobil 1 and one qt of Amsoil 0W-30. No big deal?


Don't mix brands of synthetic according to BITOG.
Fulton1  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 5:24:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By sq40:
Mobil 1 has always worked well in my engines. Try running a Turbo i4 at 18psi for 225,000 miles on anything else..


I have been running M1 in my daily drivers for years, but after a few less-than-stellar UOAs in my LNF Ecotec, I decided to switch to Pennzoil Ultra since the UOAs I've been seeing for that have been impressive. I haven't been driving the Cobalt during the winter, but did make the switch in my LS2 as well even though (with the exception of the Sodium, which we're speculating was from the previous owner's oil) the previous UOA looked good.

Attached are the two UOAs I have done on this LS2 since I've owned it. For reference, the 11/13/10 sample was Mobil 1 5W30 and the 2/26/11 sample was Pennzoil Ultra 5W30. Its the closest thing that I have to a direct comparison between the two oils. As you can see, they both performed quite well for the relatively short interval that I ran each and in my particular application.

XMM  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 5:27:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Originally Posted By XMM:
Question: is it OK to mix brands and weights? I want to do an oil change but I have four qts of 10W-30 Mobil 1 and one qt of Amsoil 0W-30. No big deal?


Don't mix brands of synthetic according to BITOG.


Well, shitballs.

Silver_Surfer  [Member]
3/30/2011 5:32:26 AM EST
Redline or Amsoil!
dcs12345  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 6:12:00 AM EST
My AR runs fine on both, but I mostly lube it with M1
Skg_Mre_Lght  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 6:19:15 AM EST
I use Pennz Ultra after consulting "Bob is the oil guy".
Gator  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 6:30:10 AM EST
I'm sure either is gonna be GTG unless you start getting goofy thinking your synthetic is gonna let you drive a ton of miles without changing the oil.


AMSoil every 50K FTW!
Heartkill  [Member]
3/30/2011 6:34:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By Fulton1:
I have been running M1 in my daily drivers for years, but after a few less-than-stellar UOAs in my LNF Ecotec, I decided to switch to Pennzoil Ultra since the UOAs I've been seeing for that have been impressive. I haven't been driving the Cobalt during the winter, but did make the switch in my LS2 as well even though (with the exception of the Sodium, which we're speculating was from the previous owner's oil) the previous UOA looked good.

Attached are the two UOAs I have done on this LS2 since I've owned it. For reference, the 11/13/10 sample was Mobil 1 5W30 and the 2/26/11 sample was Pennzoil Ultra 5W30. Its the closest thing that I have to a direct comparison between the two oils. As you can see, they both performed quite well for the relatively short interval that I ran each and in my particular application.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/Fulton1/BlackstoneUOA030711modified.jpg


Looks good. I'm currently running Mobil 1 in my '07 TB SS, although I've heard lots of folks are switching to Pennzoil. I usually go 6k between oil changes.
Fulton1  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 7:24:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By Heartkill:
Originally Posted By Fulton1:
I have been running M1 in my daily drivers for years, but after a few less-than-stellar UOAs in my LNF Ecotec, I decided to switch to Pennzoil Ultra since the UOAs I've been seeing for that have been impressive. I haven't been driving the Cobalt during the winter, but did make the switch in my LS2 as well even though (with the exception of the Sodium, which we're speculating was from the previous owner's oil) the previous UOA looked good.

Attached are the two UOAs I have done on this LS2 since I've owned it. For reference, the 11/13/10 sample was Mobil 1 5W30 and the 2/26/11 sample was Pennzoil Ultra 5W30. Its the closest thing that I have to a direct comparison between the two oils. As you can see, they both performed quite well for the relatively short interval that I ran each and in my particular application.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/Fulton1/BlackstoneUOA030711modified.jpg


Looks good. I'm currently running Mobil 1 in my '07 TB SS, although I've heard lots of folks are switching to Pennzoil. I usually go 6k between oil changes.


Thanks. I'm running the PU again for the current OCI and with these TBNs my plan is to go closer to 7k miles like Blackstone recommends or until the oil life indicator hits 15%, whichever is sooner. FWIW, I've been using the K&N HP1017 filter (which has the side benefit of being much easier to remove) with these analyses.
tyman  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 7:30:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:
Sticking to M1.


M4-AK  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 7:43:19 AM EST
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89:mobil-1-qaa&catid=42:mobil-1-qaas&Itemid=93

Q. How does current Mobil 1 5W30 do on the SeqIV test? How many microns of camshaft wear in this test? Also, what is your response to this statement from Valvoline: “Mobil 1 5W30 DOES NOT MEET the most basic API SM or ILSAC GF-4 specifications. That means Mobil 1 5W30 cannot meet basic GM, Ford, Chrysler or Honda Specifications. Valvoline Synpower exceeds the specifications in all tests.”
Q. Ashland's claims in conjunction with higher Fe in UOA's have caused suspicion of whether Mobil 1's cam wear protection is as good as competitor oils. BP and Ashland for months ran ads claiming 4 and 8x better wear on an industry standard Seq IVA test. Can you elaborate on this?

A: Mobil 1 meets or exceeds all of the wear protection requirements of the API SM and ILSAC GF-4 standards, as well as the European ACEA industry standards, which include passenger car diesel durability tests, and a great number of OEM specifications. As for the specific statement you quoted, ExxonMobil does not comment on competitive marketing claims.

Q. Ashland's claims in conjunction with higher Fe in UOA's have caused suspicion of whether Mobil 1's cam wear protection is as good as competitor oils. BP and Ashland for months ran ads claiming 4 and 8x better wear on an industry standard Seq IVA test. Can you elaborate on this?

A: As stated in the answer to the previous, similar question, ExxonMobil does not comment on competitive marketing claims.


KiowaCreekRaider  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 9:42:22 AM EST
According to my close friend, a mechanic, Pennzoil does not provide enough top-end lubrication
TerribleTom  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 9:48:49 AM EST
I'll probably stick with Mobil1. If it ain't broke, why fix it?
TexasRifleman1985  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 9:52:03 AM EST
Tag
Warrior102  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 9:58:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By gwitness:
Kendall titanium synthetic.

Screw that crap, get the Super Unobtanium Ultra!
Tolip  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 9:59:05 AM EST
Mobil 1
Dr-G  [Member]
3/30/2011 10:06:12 AM EST
I have heard of problems with Pennzoil from a friend who rebuilds engines for a living.

Most of them with sludge build-up have been running Pennzoil. YMMV.

Not familiar with the actual types of oil used, just the brand itself.
40BOY  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 10:17:12 AM EST
What about Tech2000 Full Synthetic?
Zhukov  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 10:21:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Fulton1:
Originally Posted By sq40:
Mobil 1 has always worked well in my engines. Try running a Turbo i4 at 18psi for 225,000 miles on anything else..


I have been running M1 in my daily drivers for years, but after a few less-than-stellar UOAs in my LNF Ecotec, I decided to switch to Pennzoil Ultra since the UOAs I've been seeing for that have been impressive. I haven't been driving the Cobalt during the winter, but did make the switch in my LS2 as well even though (with the exception of the Sodium, which we're speculating was from the previous owner's oil) the previous UOA looked good.

Attached are the two UOAs I have done on this LS2 since I've owned it. For reference, the 11/13/10 sample was Mobil 1 5W30 and the 2/26/11 sample was Pennzoil Ultra 5W30. Its the closest thing that I have to a direct comparison between the two oils. As you can see, they both performed quite well for the relatively short interval that I ran each and in my particular application.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/Fulton1/BlackstoneUOA030711modified.jpg

Quite a bit of life left in those oils with a TBN that high...
hsvhobbit  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 11:24:44 AM EST
Changed from Dino oil at 30k to M1 in my Tundra. Last 210,000 miles been using the M1 changed at around 7k intervals. No complaints and engines not using oil. Think I'll just stay with it.
Fulton1  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 11:41:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Originally Posted By Fulton1:
Originally Posted By sq40:
Mobil 1 has always worked well in my engines. Try running a Turbo i4 at 18psi for 225,000 miles on anything else..


I have been running M1 in my daily drivers for years, but after a few less-than-stellar UOAs in my LNF Ecotec, I decided to switch to Pennzoil Ultra since the UOAs I've been seeing for that have been impressive. I haven't been driving the Cobalt during the winter, but did make the switch in my LS2 as well even though (with the exception of the Sodium, which we're speculating was from the previous owner's oil) the previous UOA looked good.

Attached are the twp UOAs I have done on this LS2 since I've owned it. For reference, the 11/13/10 sample was Mobil 1 5W30 and the 2/26/11 sample was Pennzoil Ultra 5W30. Its the closest thing that I have to a direct comparison between the two oils. As you can see, they both performed quite well for the relatively short interval that I ran each and in my particular application.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/Fulton1/BlackstoneUOA030711modified.jpg

Quite a bit of life left in those oils with a TBN that high...


Absolutely. Both of the UOAs that I've done were cut short for my own purposes. The first I didn't run that long because the vehicle was new to me and I wanted to see how it looked. With the second I had switched to the PU and wanted to keep an eye on the sodium. As I mentioned in my other post, my plan is to go longer on the current OCI.
helmutlent  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 11:46:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By Fulton1:
Originally Posted By sq40:
Mobil 1 has always worked well in my engines. Try running a Turbo i4 at 18psi for 225,000 miles on anything else..


I have been running M1 in my daily drivers for years, but after a few less-than-stellar UOAs in my LNF Ecotec, I decided to switch to Pennzoil Ultra since the UOAs I've been seeing for that have been impressive. I haven't been driving the Cobalt during the winter, but did make the switch in my LS2 as well even though (with the exception of the Sodium, which we're speculating was from the previous owner's oil) the previous UOA looked good.

Attached are the two UOAs I have done on this LS2 since I've owned it. For reference, the 11/13/10 sample was Mobil 1 5W30 and the 2/26/11 sample was Pennzoil Ultra 5W30. Its the closest thing that I have to a direct comparison between the two oils. As you can see, they both performed quite well for the relatively short interval that I ran each and in my particular application.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/Fulton1/BlackstoneUOA030711modified.jpg
Some people take oil way too seriously.

tyman  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 11:52:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By helmutlent:

Originally Posted By Fulton1:
Originally Posted By sq40:
Mobil 1 has always worked well in my engines. Try running a Turbo i4 at 18psi for 225,000 miles on anything else..


I have been running M1 in my daily drivers for years, but after a few less-than-stellar UOAs in my LNF Ecotec, I decided to switch to Pennzoil Ultra since the UOAs I've been seeing for that have been impressive. I haven't been driving the Cobalt during the winter, but did make the switch in my LS2 as well even though (with the exception of the Sodium, which we're speculating was from the previous owner's oil) the previous UOA looked good.

Attached are the two UOAs I have done on this LS2 since I've owned it. For reference, the 11/13/10 sample was Mobil 1 5W30 and the 2/26/11 sample was Pennzoil Ultra 5W30. Its the closest thing that I have to a direct comparison between the two oils. As you can see, they both performed quite well for the relatively short interval that I ran each and in my particular application.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/Fulton1/BlackstoneUOA030711modified.jpg
Some people take oil guns way too seriously.




Agreed.
VBC  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 11:57:39 AM EST
All I use is regular Pennzoil and I've put 330,000 miles on one engine and it still ran like new, 188,000 miles on another and it still runs like new, and 120,000 on another and it still runs like new.

The 330K engine only had FRAM filters too. Go figure. (I do use Purolator PurOnes in the later engines though.)
captainpooby  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 12:07:49 PM EST
Royal purple fan here.
e5mike  [Team Member]
3/30/2011 12:14:45 PM EST
Mobil 1 FTW!! 2004 Dodge Sprinter 2500...original motor...494,000 miles as of yesterday.
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