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 Mexican Drug Cartels.....what's up with all of the freaky stuff they are doing with the bodys??
imq707s  [Member]
2/22/2011 10:01:28 AM EST
Can someone please explain the grizzly nature of the Mexican Drug Cartels?

I can understand the drug cartels shooting people and/or torturing people…hell, they are drug dealers and I would assume are pretty bad people.

But what the hell is up with all of the grizzly, savage, disgusting, serial killer type stuff they are doing to people? They aren’t just killing people......they killing them and then cutting them up into pieces, sending body parts back to the victims family members, removing sexual organs, eating parts of people, peeling their skin off of their faces and putting them on display along with their bare skulls, throwing body’s in big vats of acid and boiling water and making “soup” out of the bodies……?????

It’s the kind of stuff you hear serial killers doing, but it seems like the whole Mexican Cartel is doing that king of stuff.

Why have they gone so crazy?
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MyAliyah  [Member]
2/22/2011 10:03:49 AM EST
Drugs! How do they work?
stickfigure  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:04:30 AM EST
To spread FEAR.
jal777  [Member]
2/22/2011 10:05:13 AM EST
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Kbear  [Member]
2/22/2011 10:05:23 AM EST
The two greatest motivators: Fear and Hunger

SGocka  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:05:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By stickfigure:
To spread FEAR.


Yup.
TheCanuck  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:05:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By MyAliyah:
Drugs! How do they work?

Either miracles or magnets, I'm not sure. Ask Keith_J
lostnswv  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:07:50 AM EST
It appears to me some people are devolving rapidly.
REALM  [Member]
2/22/2011 10:09:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By stickfigure:
To spread FEAR.


This. FEAR = less resistance = more power and control.
BustinCaps  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:09:59 AM EST
Fear is their biggest weapon.

They are wielding it well.
BustinCaps  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:11:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By lostnswv:
It appears to me some people are devolving rapidly.

That behavior is pretty much the status quo in any weakened/collapsed state throughout history. When you add huge potential for profit with a relatively lawless/corrupt environment, this is what happens almost every time.


TxLawDog  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:12:09 AM EST
Psychological warfare. It works.
Lowjack545  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:12:47 AM EST
remember this guy? Its to strike fear in your enemies.

nukldragr  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:13:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By imq707s:
Can someone please explain the grizzly nature of the Mexican Drug Cartels?

I can understand the drug cartels shooting people and/or torturing people…hell, they are drug dealers and I would assume are pretty bad people.

But what the hell is up with all of the grizzly, savage, disgusting, serial killer type stuff they are doing to people? They aren’t just killing people......they killing them and then cutting them up into pieces, sending body parts back to the victims family members, removing sexual organs, eating parts of people, peeling their skin off of their faces and putting them on display along with their bare skulls, throwing body’s in big vats of acid and boiling water and making “soup” out of the bodies……?????

It’s the kind of stuff you hear serial killers doing, but it seems like the whole Mexican Cartel is doing that king of stuff.

Why have they gone so crazy?
The Aztecs were a peaceful and benign people

Stonerriflefan44  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:13:37 AM EST
Those tactics worked for this guy.



It is a sick way of keeping up with the Jones. If Cartel A chops someones head off. Cartel B skins them. When Cartel A hears about it, they one up the next act, and so on and so forth.
mcnielsen  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:13:53 AM EST
Note to self- don't eat the tacos when on vacation in Mexico...
jeepnstein  [Member]
2/22/2011 10:17:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By jal777:
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

This. They're noveau riche drug smugglers looking for a signature type of butchery. You have to stand out from the crowd of everyday murderers and freaks. Impaling them along the side of the road has already been done.
RichR  [Member]
2/22/2011 10:21:15 AM EST
Terrorism. Terrorizing the competition's footsoldiers, the population, the authorities.
2nd_amandment  [Member]
2/22/2011 10:21:53 AM EST
They must have picked it up from the terrorists they smuggle into US.
hushpuppy  [Member]
2/22/2011 10:25:00 AM EST


barbarism is the natural course of mankind ...

civilization is unnatural ...

it is a whim of circumstance ...

and barbarism must always ...

ultimately triumph ...
mean_sartin  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:27:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By nukldragr:
The Aztecs were a peaceful and benign people


que the motivational poster
Muerte  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:27:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By imq707s:
Can someone please explain the grizzly nature of the Mexican Drug Cartels?

I can understand the drug cartels shooting people and/or torturing people…hell, they are drug dealers and I would assume are pretty bad people.

But what the hell is up with all of the grizzly, savage, disgusting, serial killer type stuff they are doing to people? They aren’t just killing people......they killing them and then cutting them up into pieces, sending body parts back to the victims family members, removing sexual organs, eating parts of people, peeling their skin off of their faces and putting them on display along with their bare skulls, throwing body’s in big vats of acid and boiling water and making "soup” out of the bodies……?????

It’s the kind of stuff you hear serial killers doing, but it seems like the whole Mexican Cartel is doing that king of stuff.

Why have they gone so crazy?
TALIBAN

PinPointOne  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:30:35 AM EST
The spectacle of fearsome acts.
guntrk  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:30:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By imq707s:
Can someone please explain the grizzly nature of the Mexican Drug Cartels?

I can understand the drug cartels shooting people and/or torturing people…hell, they are drug dealers and I would assume are pretty bad people.

But what the hell is up with all of the grizzly, savage, disgusting, serial killer type stuff they are doing to people? They aren’t just killing people......they killing them and then cutting them up into pieces, sending body parts back to the victims family members, removing sexual organs, eating parts of people, peeling their skin off of their faces and putting them on display along with their bare skulls, throwing body’s in big vats of acid and boiling water and making "soup” out of the bodies……?????

It’s the kind of stuff you hear serial killers doing, but it seems like the whole Mexican Cartel is doing that king of stuff.

Why have they gone so crazy?

They are sending a message, and want to inspire fear in the populace and show that the .gov is not in control.
Dehammer  [Member]
2/22/2011 10:35:15 AM EST
FEAR

The average Mexican is a decent God fearing member of society. Years ago I used to visit my senorita south of the border and I was pleasantly surprised by the people I met. This cartel insanity is an affront to the nature of the people that live there.

Secure the border.....end prohibition......kill the cartels with American military force.
knockoutink  [Member]
2/22/2011 10:35:26 AM EST
You really shouldn't judge the Mexican culture. You should embrace the diversity the Mexican culture offers society..
Stegadeth  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:38:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By stickfigure:
To spread FEAR.

Indeed. It is intimidation and is a staple of organized crime. There are many ways to send that message and even the mafia in the US participates in it. Sometimes they do more than just execute someone. If he, say, snitched on the boss, he might be beaten to a pulp and tortured before he is killed. This let's everyone know, "hey, if you mess with the boss, you don't just get killed in your sleep, we play with you for a while," and that keeps it from happening again.

Then there is the whole different message you send when someone flat disappears; Jimmy Hoffa, for instance. This sends the message that the organization is so powerful they can literally make you vanish. No body, likely no trial. That demonstrates some power and again, spreads fear through intimidation.

Before this whole situation in Mexico gets any better, which really doesn't even look like it can right now, it will get a lot worse as rival cartels try to up the ante in the intimidation game. Torture, desecration of bodies, mass killings and documentation of all of it, will rise to new and horrific levels.
Cromlech  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:38:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By mcnielsen:
Note to self- don't go eat the tacos when on vacation in Mexico...
Fixed.

DragoMuseveni  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:40:22 AM EST
It sends a message you're not one to be fucked with and if you are fucked with that is what will happen.

I don't know about the whole cannibalism stuff but cutting off people's heads and putting them on a spike for all to see has been around for thousands of years. As was flaying alive messengers from your enemy who was demanding your surrender.

I for one am not above using such tactics if it gets the job done. Luckily for everyone I'm not in an situation or position where such tactics would advance my interests.
shooter69  [Member]
2/22/2011 10:43:38 AM EST
What happened to the Mexican standoff? Seems to have gone out of style.
CCW  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:45:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By imq707s:
Can someone please explain the grizzly nature of the Mexican Drug Cartels?

I can understand the drug cartels shooting people and/or torturing people…hell, they are drug dealers and I would assume are pretty bad people.

But what the hell is up with all of the grizzly, savage, disgusting, serial killer type stuff they are doing to people? They aren’t just killing people......they killing them and then cutting them up into pieces, sending body parts back to the victims family members, removing sexual organs, eating parts of people, peeling their skin off of their faces and putting them on display along with their bare skulls, throwing body’s in big vats of acid and boiling water and making “soup” out of the bodies……?????

It’s the kind of stuff you hear serial killers doing, but it seems like the whole Mexican Cartel is doing that king of stuff.

Why have they gone so crazy?


Voodoo, mixed with good drugs, prevalent in central america.
schizrade  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:46:40 AM EST
If it hasn't been said already, Psychological Warfare in some situations can be more effective than conventional kill everything that moves warfare.
Jacketch  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:53:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By hushpuppy:


barbarism is the natural course of mankind ...

civilization is unnatural ...

it is a whim of circumstance ...

and barbarism must always ...

ultimately triumph ...


Entropy
AR4U  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:54:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By stickfigure:
To spread FEAR.


This is the answer. Sometimes a severed horse head in your blankets just isn't a strong enough message.
Urimaginaryfrnd  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:55:14 AM EST

Simple solution take the money out of the drug trade - treat addiction as a mental health issue allow addicts to register and legally obtain what they are addicted to by doctors prescription. There are already states that allow medical marijuana use and as long as people can grow it themselves it cant be controlled because there is a significant portion of the population that wants it. Prohibition didnt work either. If you are a licensed addict you probably cant have a driver license so take the bus. Once you take the money out of the drug trade you solve a lot of problems with police corrupiton also.
CAsoldier  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:55:53 AM EST
no one is stopping them
EXPcustom  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:55:57 AM EST
In Mexico they are real big on "soup" it's a cultural thing.





Please respect their culture.
BustinCaps  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:56:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR4U:
Originally Posted By stickfigure:
To spread FEAR.


This is the answer. Sometimes a severed horse head in your blankets just isn't a strong enough message.
I don't care who you are...if you send me my best friends head with his junk in his mouth, you have my undivided attention.

74HC  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:58:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By imq707s:
Can someone please explain the grizzly nature of the Mexican Drug Cartels?


Hezbollah has been organizing the cartels in Mexico, and have enough of a presence in TJ to concern the USA. We've even caught their operatives coming through the border. This includes northern USA locations like MI.

Wonder why we do not hear about it in the MSM? It was on FOX news this past weekend again.

That should answer your question.
lostnswv  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 10:59:12 AM EST
So on the scale of depravity and horror what is left? Raping the corpse? Some real twisted fuckers in the drug business.
urbanredneck  [Member]
2/22/2011 10:59:52 AM EST
From what I see, they are mutilating dead bodies, they are murding them by mutilating them and filming it to send a message.

I don't understand. Someone said this is what went on in Colombia which I think I heard stories like this. But why did we not hear about this type of stuff when drugs were running through the bahamas?

Someone needs to say it like it is. Scrap NAFTA!!! NAFTA, IMHO, is when all this crap started in MEXICO. It loud for drugs to be easily smuggled into the US through lax border checks which caused the Cartels to move into the area to control their routes.
CWO  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 11:00:58 AM EST
To send a message.



cubanchurchill  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 11:05:01 AM EST
Terror...
Fourays2  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 11:05:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By Urimaginaryfrnd:

Simple solution take the money out of the drug trade - treat addiction as a mental health issue allow addicts to register and legally obtain what they are addicted to by doctors prescription. There are already states that allow medical marijuana use and as long as people can grow it themselves it cant be controlled because there is a significant portion of the population that wants it. Prohibition didnt work either. If you are a licensed addict you probably cant have a driver license so take the bus. Once you take the money out of the drug trade you solve a lot of problems with police corrupiton also.


in before the drug warriors accuse you of being either an anarchist or a pot smoking hippy
lostnswv  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 11:06:46 AM EST
I wonder why the cops who get kidnapped and know how things are going to end don't absolutely fight to the death? I am sure some of the officers who have been shot to death decided fighting till the Grim Reaper snatched their soul was better than ending up on some deserted farm or in some basement waiting to be murdered in some horrible fashion.
Chaingun  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 11:07:08 AM EST
Have to wonder the mentality of those who could chop up and skin bodies for pleasure. In a way it's like going though Med school
FreeFloater  [Member]
2/22/2011 11:08:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By mcnielsen:
Note to self- don't eat the tacos when on vacation in Mexico...


I fixed that for you.
FITTER  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 11:12:37 AM EST
Some people seem to be trying to convince each other that these things are being done to corpses. Do you really think they killed these people first? I honestly do not think that would send a strong enough message: "Yes, these killers were kind enough to kill their victims before they were dismembered and then skinned." Get a grip on the reality of this.

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EXPcustom  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 11:16:39 AM EST


The one guy is all like:

I am not impressed.



texashomeserver  [Member]
2/22/2011 11:17:46 AM EST
Mexico ( at least the one I know ) has always been insane. Sophisticated, artistic, hard working, religious, brutal, violent and extremely barbaric.
Muerte  [Team Member]
2/22/2011 11:19:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By texashomeserver:
Mexico ( at least the one I know ) has always been insane. Sophisticated, artistic, hard working, religious, brutal, violent and extremely barbaric.


all the way
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