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 So I made some mocassins; what say you??
30Caliber  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:24:40 PM EST
It's not easy making a pattern nearly from scratch. Yeah, there's some stuff available on the interwebs, but until you stuff you foot into it, there's no telling how it's going to turn out.

They're comfortable. Making footwear is tough.



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E-Mag  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:25:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By 30Caliber:
It's not easy making a pattern nearly from scratch. Yeah, there's some stuff available on the interwebs, but until you stuff you foot into it, there's no telling how it's going to turn out.

They're comfortable. Making footwear is tough.

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm160/30CalTy/169080_1773796180584_1109678942_32047043_4393297_n.jpg


looks wearable but I do not like moccasins

EDIT what did you use for the sole I would think that the leather for the upper would get worn away quickly.
QwikKotaTx  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:26:24 PM EST
What's up with the watch, dude?
UBB  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:27:18 PM EST
how far along are you in the sex change?
cubanchurchill  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:28:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By QwikKotaTx:
What's up with the watch, dude?



Trying to church up the moccasins a bit ?

30Caliber  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:29:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By QwikKotaTx:
What's up with the watch, dude?

It started as an inside joke w/ my brother over in Afghanistan. It's my dad's old watch. He was sending home all sorts of photos where the watch always seemed to be in the camera frame. It was like where's waldo.
30Caliber  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:30:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By UBB:
how far along are you in the sex change?

So I took a swing at making my own shoes? Show me the ones you made or shutup.
superlazy  [Member]
2/5/2011 5:32:00 PM EST
Elf shoes?

I had a pair of moccasin boots that I loved!!!! ultra comfy!

If they feel good

Thats gotta be a bitch to stitch

ETA: ya the watch? After pagers never saw a need
VacaDuck  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:33:24 PM EST
What kind of leather?

Mine are elk hide with beaver fur trim and beaver felt insoles.
NimmerMehr  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:34:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By UBB:
how far along are you in the sex change?

If he started making them regularly with lots of foo-foo in them I might agree.. however:

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.” – Robert A. Heinlein
30Caliber  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:36:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By VacaDuck:
What kind of leather?

Mine are elk hide with beaver fur trim and beaver felt insoles.

Used this
http://www.tandyleatherfactory.com/search/searchresults/9076-02.aspx?feature=Product_1&kw=9076-02

Woosaa  [Member]
2/5/2011 5:38:51 PM EST
Cool project. Maybe trim up the flaps/wings. Your design might catch some flak here. They kinda look keebler elf, something more native American would keep the trollin to a minimum.
Murier  [Member]
2/5/2011 5:42:04 PM EST
I make spending money by making this type of Moc:
It is a thick leather shoe called souiler de boeuf(beef hide shoe) worn all over the Canada's until the 1950's. I get $ 70 a pair.

Here is a original pair from the 1860's:
30Caliber  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:42:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By Woosaa:
Cool project. Maybe trim up the flaps/wings. Your design might catch some flak here. They kinda look keebler elf, something more native American would keep the trollin to a minimum.

That's what I'm thinking. But I thought I'd put it out there before I started cutting.
Mojo_Jojo  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:42:25 PM EST
They look pretty good. Did you make a last of your foot first or what?
30Caliber  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:44:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By Murier:
I make spending money by making this type of Moc: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/ditmurier/leathers/d7eb.jpg
It is a thick leather shoe called souiler de boeuf(beef hide shoe) worn all over the Canada's until the 1950. I get $ 70 a pair.

Here is a original pair from the 1860's:http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/ditmurier/leathers/souler19thc.jpg

That's a single sole, right? Do you form them before stitching?
themcfarland  [Member]
2/5/2011 5:45:36 PM EST
impressive amount of effort goes into shoes .. well done.
30Caliber  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:46:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mojo_Jojo:
They look pretty good. Did you make a last of your foot first or what?

I used a pattern off the interwebs for starters and did a test run with a roll of rubber antiskid stuff you use in drawers and shelves, the tweaked the pattern.

Not sure what a "last" is.
Murier  [Member]
2/5/2011 5:48:12 PM EST
They are made from 10-12oz leather & take about a hour to make on a last. I have sold something like 40 pairs. Making several now for a museum in MN and a fellow in PA.
Jerad  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:49:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By UBB:
how far along are you in the sex change?



ETA: They look great, it's a cool skill to have. There is nothing wimpy about it, UBBs comment just caught me off guard.
2841USMC  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:50:34 PM EST
They look good. Ignore the haters.
VacaDuck  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:52:09 PM EST
I do suggest trimming them in beaver fur. Nothing like slipping into a little beaver every night.
PSYWAR1-0  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:56:04 PM EST
Thankfully this is a modern gun forum, so my normal rant about that type of moc is not going to happen..........

You made a functional shoe and no one can take that away from you. Its not the most historical shoe, in fact the pattern dates to about 1963, but who cares, you now have the ability to make a shoe for yourself if you ever need to.

And if you want kickass shoes, not mocs, buy a pair from Murier, I own a pair of his and they rock

Here is the pattern I use



hard to tell what they look like finished since I added the porcupine quill embroidery



Murier  [Member]
2/5/2011 5:57:28 PM EST

TheJacket  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 5:59:41 PM EST
They look like the shoes the character in Zelda wore...

Nice.

If the SHTF and you need to make some shoes... You can.
SFENDER  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 6:01:49 PM EST
Damn, they look... a little rough.

LOL @ Zelda.
GrIlLa  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 6:11:22 PM EST
Minnetonka
I have a pair of tan moose hide double bottom soft soles. They also make a deer skin version that are very nice.
These things have lasted for seven years of everyday use as my indoor only slippers. I love these things but, they are getting warn on the soles pretty bad. My wife wants me to buy new ones but, it's become an experiment for me to see actually how long I can wear them.
I would like to make a pair of my own as close as I could to these.

I like your shoes OP you did well I think.
thelaw09  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 6:13:51 PM EST
I like them, but I'd trim the flaps back a little.

Working with leather is a great skill to have. I grew up near Amish and we would always go to one guy that made lather saddles, belts, wallets, ect. I could watch him work for hours.
xylo  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 6:15:41 PM EST
I made some I got from Dixie gun works. Moccasins are really more of a leather sock. That is what I learned. They are not really good for tender, modern, Nike accustomed feet.
QwikKotaTx  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 6:21:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By 30Caliber:

Originally Posted By QwikKotaTx:
What's up with the watch, dude?

It started as an inside joke w/ my brother over in Afghanistan. It's my dad's old watch. He was sending home all sorts of photos where the watch always seemed to be in the camera frame. It was like where's waldo.


Hopefully he's home safely...
flinch08  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 4:31:25 AM EST
I don't make them but have been around it.

The best way to make a pattern is to put on a sacrificial sock. Wrap that in duct tape. Then cut it off in a way that will allow you to lay the pattern flat. You'll make the parts bigger than the patern. The pattern lines are what you sew them to. You'll sew them inside out, trim the excess, then turn them right side out. Glue on a pair of Vibram soles and you have a very capable bit of footwear.

Where you make the cut down the shin, that area, you sew in an extra flap that allows you to get your foot in. Buttons along one side, laces from anything.

They look good to me OP. Look comfy for wearing around camp or home.
Lorax  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 4:35:12 AM EST
Nice mocs.

I wear some Ojibway mocs that come up to right below the knee on some paddling trips. They have double moosehide on the bottom and are so comfortable.

I know a lot of people that use the mocs like you made as all purpose camp shoes after a long day on the trail or water.
TheNamelessOne  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 4:46:16 AM EST
i have some Poppins moccasins i bought when i was into reenacting because it was too much of a pain in the ass to get into/out of boots to go to the john in the middle of the night. best shoes I've ever worn.
ElrodCod  [Member]
2/6/2011 4:46:21 AM EST
Homemade slippers with wings + Rolex = Ghey
AeroE  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 4:46:42 AM EST
http://mdc.mo.gov/discover-nature/how/historic-crafts-and-skills/leatherworking/soft-sole-plains-moccasins

When I was a kid I made a style with a tongue folded back over the toes and sewed along the sides, but I haven't found a similar pattern on line.

They're better than walking bare footed, but not too durable for really hard use. When the Lewis and Clark expeidition holes up for the winter at Fort Clatsop one of their main jobs was repairing and making moccasins for the upcoming return trip. They went through a boat load of shoes.

Bubbatheredneck  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 4:47:33 AM EST
Should have posted in the survival forum and you would have had 100% feedback and helpful comments too.

To post them in GD, you should have sewn some leather MOLLE loops on them to make the cool kids happy.





Papaw  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 5:15:16 AM EST
Nice work, OP; they look much better than my first pair.

I cheated, though; I made a cardboard pattern from a moccasin kit.

I reenacted the AWI as a backwoods NC militiaman for years, and made and wore out
MANY a pair of moccasins in sixteen years. A good awl and waxed linen thread, and
of course some good, heavy but pliable leather and you are in business. My moccasins
were of a nearly identical pattern, BTW.

Made some truly excellent buckskin leggins, too, if I do say so myself.

Being able to sew leather is a truly useful skill, even if you don't use it every day.
bcsoeod  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 5:18:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:
Should have posted in the survival forum and you would have had 100% feedback and helpful comments too.

To post them in GD, you should have sewn some leather MOLLE loops on them to make the cool kids happy.







this is good advice, they look comfy, nice work OP, but you should have posted this in one of the forums where the trolls don't outnumber the team members

California_Kid  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 5:18:11 AM EST
Good job.
hobbsar  [Member]
2/6/2011 5:18:58 AM EST
Looks good to me.
Ignore the haters, they can go around barefoot in the coming zombie apocalypse.
TwoDogKnight  [Life Member]
2/6/2011 5:28:45 AM EST
Anything you can make for yourself is a survival skill. When TSHTF you can shoot the 'elf shoe' haters in their bear(pun intended) feet.
cubanchurchill  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 5:38:13 AM EST
They look nice to me... Good job on being self reliant...
LRB-MT  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 6:00:32 AM EST
Good Job OP

I cheated and got a Tandy kit and even then it took me a couple of hours to make a pair. Doing it from leather without all the holes punched, dedication.
xdoctor  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 6:09:45 AM EST
That is just pretty damn cool. I was reading this article about making a scandanavian style leather shoe the other day, might have to try it now.

http://earthandliving.blogspot.com/2008/08/viking-shoes-tutorial-sort-of.html
sel366  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 6:10:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By UBB:
how far along are you in the sex change?


Act like a douche much?
Ridgerunner9876  [Member]
2/6/2011 7:44:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By Woosaa:
Cool project. Maybe trim up the flaps/wings. Your design might catch some flak here. They kinda look keebler elf, something more native American would keep the trollin to a minimum.


Bunch of ignorance in this thread.

They are Eastern woodland style center seam mocs. This style takes some practice to get them comfy. Even when they're correct, they've been described as one step above barefoot. One thing that helps is to pound the seam flat. I can't see in the pics, but did you do the little tab at the heel? This makes a big difference in fit. Also, they should be made loose enough to stuff with matted grass or similar, for cushion.
Ridgerunner9876  [Member]
2/6/2011 7:45:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By 30Caliber:

Originally Posted By Woosaa:
Cool project. Maybe trim up the flaps/wings. Your design might catch some flak here. They kinda look keebler elf, something more native American would keep the trollin to a minimum.

That's what I'm thinking. But I thought I'd put it out there before I started cutting.


Other than not using brain tanned hide and real sinew, they are pretty authentic in design.

The flaps can be wrapped up and around your ankles to help keep out debris.
Ridgerunner9876  [Member]
2/6/2011 7:47:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:
Thankfully this is a modern gun forum, so my normal rant about that type of moc is not going to happen..........

You made a functional shoe and no one can take that away from you. Its not the most historical shoe, in fact the pattern dates to about 1963, but who cares, you now have the ability to make a shoe for yourself if you ever need to.

And if you want kickass shoes, not mocs, buy a pair from Murier, I own a pair of his and they rock

Here is the pattern I use

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/montourseth/Native/mocs2.jpg

hard to tell what they look like finished since I added the porcupine quill embroidery

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/montourseth/Stuff%20Ive%20Made/3h5y9a23.jpg


Those are western style. I'd love to see your documentation that eastern woodland center seam came about in 1963.


http://books.google.com/books?id=VUwMMfqQcpkC&pg=PA99&lpg=PA99&dq=origin+of+center+seam+moccasins&source=bl&ots=0kVMwIbXvO&sig=xBlnnglm2XRGvwxTbYXMG6lhJOw&hl=en&ei=R-BOTcmqAYSq8AaCjuXpDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

Here's some good historical info on mocs. Specifically mentioned are the Algonquin (Iriquois) center seam mocs. Some were fitted with extra sole. Whites prefered the "shoe pack" style. Mark Baker has done a lot of living history work and writes some very good books on the subject, as well as a "Long Hunter" series of videos that are very good.
pcsutton  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 7:54:02 AM EST
Many years ago I made a pair of knee high moccasins from elk-hide that I tanned 'hair on'. They were some warm, bad-ass boots. I wore them until they fell apart. Wish I had access to elk hides these days...I'd make another pair.

Murier  [Member]
2/6/2011 9:16:56 AM EST
Oh , shit here comes the librarian wars! Next it will be all about the walnuts!
Ridgerunner9876  [Member]
2/6/2011 9:28:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By Murier:
Oh , shit here comes the librarian wars! Next it will be all about the walnuts!

Not a librarian. A living history buff. I've got a complete outfit and accoutremont for an eastern longhunter e.g. Simon Kenton aka Simon Butler. I researched and made everything myself, right down to the brain tanned leggins, knife (forged) and long rifle. Many hours have gone into this hobby...many.

My cub scout den has gained a lot of benifits of all the hours I've put into this subject.
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