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 HVAC guys what is better? RUUD, TRANE, Carrier, Bryant,etc?
rssc  [Member]
11/6/2010 2:48:32 PM
I have an old TRANE unit from 1997. I've been thinking of replacing my AC unit now because of all the incentives to do so. I've had contractors come out and recommend all the following brands. Some of the things I've heard:

Don't buy TRANE because the parts are much more expensive.
Don't buy RUUD because they use a waffle shaped evaporator coil that is bad.

Is one brand better than the other? For reference due to a manufacturers rebate I can get an 18 SEER RUUD for abou the price of a 16 SEER Carrier and TRANE.

Thanks!
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jhark123  [Member]
11/6/2010 2:51:02 PM
Don't buy Trane, American Standard is much better
patio87  [Member]
11/6/2010 2:51:59 PM
Not in the trades, but I have an Intertherm furnace and air conditioner that were new in '91 and still going strong. Only complaint is with the furnace, and that is the igniters were going out every year for some time. Not so much now. Maybe they changed the way they are made. Don't even know if Intertherm is still around-
rssc  [Member]
11/6/2010 2:54:43 PM
Originally Posted By jhark123:
Don't buy Trane, American Standard is much better


same company right?????

HAWK347  [Team Member]
11/6/2010 2:55:41 PM
I am an HVAC contractor in South Florida. I sell/ install Rheem as my primary line, I have been dealing with them for over 15 years with very little failures. 10 year parts warranty and a ton of distributors in Florida make it quick and easy to get parts when you need them. The prices have come down recently on the 16 SEER equipment, prices are comparable to what 13 SEER was a year ago.
HAWK347  [Team Member]
11/6/2010 2:56:08 PM
Originally Posted By rssc:
Originally Posted By jhark123:
Don't buy Trane, American Standard is much better


same company right?????



Yes
alphajaguars  [Team Member]
11/6/2010 2:58:31 PM
The best thing to remember -

You are buying the CONTRACTOR, not the equipment. Find someone who answers your questions, and helps you select the system that is right for you.















































And stay away from Goodman. That stuff is crap.
2tom2  [Team Member]
11/6/2010 3:09:28 PM
Originally Posted By HAWK347:
Originally Posted By rssc:
Originally Posted By jhark123:
Don't buy Trane, American Standard is much better


same company right?????



Yes


references,references,references
Get the right contractor, one who stands behind the work they do and they can/will make Good run great and bad run good.

That said
I am not a fan of trane,am std, goodman,rheem,ruud,lennox.....
j/k everybody has had a blackeye at some point
In a normal month I will see every mfg's equipment and when I see it......it is broke.




rssc  [Member]
11/6/2010 3:13:44 PM
These are the units i am looking at:

TRANE XL16i 17 SEER 4.0 ton

http://www.trane.com/Residential/Products/Air-Conditioners/XL16i-Air-Conditioners

RUUD ULtra Series UASL-JEC 18 SEER 4.0 ton

http://www.ruud.com/product.aspx?id=0D4B7F0D-1AFE-4872-9F98-2CB52F57F367

Carrier Comfort Series 16 SEER 4.0 ton

http://www.residential.carrier.com/products/acheatpumps/ac/comfort.shtml

coldair  [Team Member]
11/6/2010 3:21:10 PM
do you live near the water?
rssc  [Member]
11/6/2010 3:23:49 PM
Originally Posted By coldair:
do you live near the water?


Probably about 3 to 5 miles away from the water.
coldair  [Team Member]
11/6/2010 3:27:57 PM
you don't want a rheem near water.
go look at the rheem and then go look at the Trane.
its like saying a model 1 is just as good as a Noveseke
or the epic thread the knock off acog is just as good as the real thing
HAWK347  [Team Member]
11/6/2010 3:33:08 PM
Originally Posted By coldair:
you don't want a rheem near water.
go look at the rheem and then go look at the Trane.
its like saying a model 1 is just as good as a Noveseke
or the epic thread the knock off acog is just as good as the real thing


Coil guard works wonders.
Canoer  [Member]
11/6/2010 3:37:52 PM
Originally Posted By alphajaguars:
The best thing to remember -

You are buying the CONTRACTOR, not the equipment. Find someone who answers your questions, and helps you select the system that is right for you.


^ What he said.

I replaced my central unit in August. I didn't get the cheapest, but I hired the contractor that I trusted and knew would do a quality install job. It just so happened that he installed American Standard, with a 10-yr parts AND LABOR warranty. He even relocated my unit so it was more convenient in the attic for me, and sealed my (obvious) leaking ducts for no extra charge. There's probably not a tremendous amount of difference between the equipment these days; what makes all the difference in the world is how well they are installed (and then maintained).

Good luck.
Country  [Team Member]
11/6/2010 3:41:25 PM
Originally Posted By jhark123:
Don't buy Trane, American Standard is much better


american standard makes train. seriously
Cypher15  [Team Member]
11/6/2010 3:44:24 PM
we have a new bryant. supposed to be 80+% efficient. our electric bills went up, not down over the 25 year old sears bryant that was ~25-30% efficient.
coldair  [Team Member]
11/6/2010 3:47:28 PM
on most air conditioners the condenser coil is made by sliding thin walled copper into flat aluminum fins then all the tubes are joined on each end by soldering u bends together then the tubing is pressurized with 1500 psi air to expand the tubing into a snug fit on the fins, then it is rolled in the shape of the condenser coil. this makes for very thin tubing, and hundreds of joints to leak.

trane as take .040 thick rifled alumiun tubing using a space age adhesive chemically bonds a spin fins to the tube as a machine rolls the coil into the shape of the final coil. then the sections are joined together with a special process leaving a coil that has superior heat transfer with 12 soldered joints on average.

now the compressor on the trane are almost twice the weight and size as those on the other brands with a shell that acts as a suction line accumulator keeping liquid from damaging the vanes in the compressor in the case of a flood back condition.

looking at the coils in a trane you will notice twice the mass for the same capacity unit. all the new coils are being made of all aluimuin fins and tubing to avoid rusting and the damage caused by Chinese drywall Trane AS are the only manufactures that have it
alphajaguars  [Team Member]
11/6/2010 3:48:21 PM
Originally Posted By coldair:
you don't want a rheem near water.
go look at the rheem and then go look at the Trane.
its like saying a model 1 is just as good as a Noveseke
or the epic thread the knock off acog is just as good as the real thing


Doesn't matter what you put in near the ocean. The salt in the air kills them all.
HAWK347  [Team Member]
11/6/2010 3:55:18 PM
American Standard = Trane
Ruud = Rheem, Weatherking,
Carrier = Bryant, Payne
International comfort products = Heil, Tempstar, Arcoaire, Comfortmaker, Airquest
Goodman = Amana, Janitrol
Nordyne = Maytag, Frigidaire, Philco, Westinghoues, Tappan, Nutone, Gibson, Kelvinator

ETA: Copeland Scroll Compressor > ANY Reciprocating Compressor ( including Trane's)
coldair  [Team Member]
11/6/2010 4:25:08 PM

Originally Posted By alphajaguars:
Originally Posted By coldair:
you don't want a rheem near water.
go look at the rheem and then go look at the Trane.
its like saying a model 1 is just as good as a Noveseke
or the epic thread the knock off acog is just as good as the real thing


Doesn't matter what you put in near the ocean. The salt in the air kills them all.

Nothing out lasts a trane

BTW in 86 I won the award for selling the most Ruud in SW florida but I refuse to sell another one after 93
rssc  [Member]
11/6/2010 4:32:37 PM
Originally Posted By coldair:

Originally Posted By alphajaguars:
Originally Posted By coldair:
you don't want a rheem near water.
go look at the rheem and then go look at the Trane.
its like saying a model 1 is just as good as a Noveseke
or the epic thread the knock off acog is just as good as the real thing


Doesn't matter what you put in near the ocean. The salt in the air kills them all.

Nothing out lasts a trane

BTW in 86 I won the award for selling the most Ruud in SW florida but I refuse to sell another one after 93



coldair, what happened in 93?
alphajaguars  [Team Member]
11/6/2010 5:59:38 PM
Originally Posted By coldair:

Originally Posted By alphajaguars:
Originally Posted By coldair:
you don't want a rheem near water.
go look at the rheem and then go look at the Trane.
its like saying a model 1 is just as good as a Noveseke
or the epic thread the knock off acog is just as good as the real thing


Doesn't matter what you put in near the ocean. The salt in the air kills them all.

Nothing out lasts a trane

BTW in 86 I won the award for selling the most Ruud in SW florida but I refuse to sell another one after 93


You're funny! Trane-washed, but funny.

GOOD INSTALLATION outlasts ANYTHING.

Unless you're installing Goodman.
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