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Lowjack545  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 11:34:45 AM EST
I didn't know this, all i recall is the propaganda about the ever expanding Sarah desert eating up northern africa.

from 2002
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2811



The southern Saharan desert is in retreat, making farming viable again in what were some of the most arid parts of Africa.

Burkina Faso, one of the West African countries devastated by drought and advancing deserts 20 years ago, is growing so much greener than families who fled to wetter coastal regions are starting to go home.

New research confirming this remarkable environmental turnaround is to be presented to Burkina Faso’s ministers and international aid agencies in November. And it is not just Burkina Faso.

New Scientist has learned that a separate analysis of satellite images completed this summer reveals that dunes are retreating right across the Sahel region on the southern edge of the Sahara desert. Vegetation is ousting sand across a swathe of land stretching from Mauritania on the shores of the Atlantic to Eritrea 6000 kilometres away on the Red Sea coast.

Nor is it just a short-term trend. Analysts say the gradual greening has been happening since the mid-1980s, though has gone largely unnoticed. Only now is the evidence being pieced together.



from 2009
Sahara Desert Greening Due to Climate Change?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/090731-green-sahara.html


James Owen
for National Geographic News
July 31, 2009

Desertification, drought, and despair—that's what global warming has in store for much of Africa. Or so we hear.

Emerging evidence is painting a very different scenario, one in which rising temperatures could benefit millions of Africans in the driest parts of the continent.

Scientists are now seeing signals that the Sahara desert and surrounding regions are greening due to increasing rainfall.

If sustained, these rains could revitalize drought-ravaged regions, reclaiming them for farming communities.

This desert-shrinking trend is supported by climate models, which predict a return to conditions that turned the Sahara into a lush savanna some 12,000 years ago.



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capnrob97  [Life Member]
10/14/2010 11:36:31 AM EST
What would Al Gore say?
c0t0d0s0  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 11:37:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
What would Al Gore say?


Climate Change!!!!!
Jmmoney  [Member]
10/14/2010 11:37:55 AM EST
TO ARMS MY BRETHREN!



Slavac  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 11:38:19 AM EST
Most of it is being absorbed by Pelosi's gaping axe wound.
3Trip  [Member]
10/14/2010 11:38:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By c0t0d0s0:
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
What would Al Gore say?


Climate Change!!!!!




CORRECT! but you'd never guess that natural climate change changes all climates, some for worse, some for better would you?
JIMBEAM  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 11:38:51 AM EST
Wow , you mean to tell us that the earth's climate changes and has been changing since long before humans were here?
GreatGonzo  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 11:39:11 AM EST
This is a travesty! We cannot have Africans feeding themselves! Think of how many "charities" that would put out of "business".
Admiral_Crunch  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 11:40:46 AM EST
Impossible. I was told in middle school that the Sahara is expanding rapidly and would eat the universe or something.

I also remember something about us running out of oil by the year 2000 and acid rain destroying us all.
Buckeye67  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 11:41:11 AM EST
We can save the Sahara! All we need is a few thousand tons of salt!
Jeeper21  [Member]
10/14/2010 11:42:43 AM EST
Well, more c02 in the air encourages the growth of plant life. Unlike what the moron liberals think, of the earth becoming a wasteland desert.

Google carboniferous period.
70satvert  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 11:54:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By Jeeper21:
Well, more c02 in the air encourages the growth of plant life. Unlike what the moron liberals think, of the earth becoming a wasteland desert.

Google carboniferous period.


Quit being logical.
dirtytim  [Member]
10/14/2010 11:58:06 AM EST
I saw something on National Geographic (I think) one night that was talking about the Sahara desert and how it changes from barren desert to lush grasslands every 10,000 to 20,000 years. If I recall correctly, the transformation can take place in as little as 200 years.
negevbeltgun  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 11:58:11 AM EST
earth rotation wobbles some and every some thousands of years rain moves to northern africa.saw a show about last year.
Nooobie  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 11:58:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
What would Al Gore say?


How can I make a dime off that?
CasualObserver  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 12:31:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By negevbeltgun:
earth rotation wobbles some and every some thousands of years rain moves to northern africa.saw a show about last year.


I saw the same show. It's 26,000 years and we're no where near that period.
schizrade  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 12:31:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By CasualObserver:
Originally Posted By negevbeltgun:
earth rotation wobbles some and every some thousands of years rain moves to northern africa.saw a show about last year.


I saw the same show. It's 26,000 years and we're no where near that period.

Yeah that doesn't have too much to do with it.
Cypselus  [Member]
10/14/2010 1:09:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By CasualObserver:
Originally Posted By negevbeltgun:
earth rotation wobbles some and every some thousands of years rain moves to northern africa.saw a show about last year.


I saw the same show. It's 26,000 years and we're no where near that period.

It's the Kutzbach hypothesis - greater tropical insolation = more heat = stronger lows over continents = stronger monsoons = green in Africa. We're nowhere near the point in the orbital cycle where we should be seeing this. But if the climate were warming for other reasons...
sparsedirect  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 1:11:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By Nooobie:
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
What would Al Gore say?


How can I make a dime off that?


If you sewed his fucking mouth shut I would send you $10.
Bobby_the_Hun  [Life Member]
10/14/2010 1:13:20 PM EST
OMG ! What's that green shit

targetworks  [Member]
10/14/2010 1:29:11 PM EST
Women know about shrinkage, don't they?




stickfigure  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 1:29:45 PM EST
Higher temperatures means the Ice Caps will melt.

Higher temperatures means more water vaporization.

More CO2 means more plants.

Deserts will skrink. Plants will flourish.

The geological record supports this, not the picture Al Gore paints.



The Climate Zealots want to paint a picture of extremes, more storms, droughts, armageddon, dogs and cats living together, death, FEAR, FEAR, FEAR.

FUCK AL GORE!!! Fear mongering, hypocritical POS!
stoner63a  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 1:32:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bobby_the_Hun:
OMG ! What's that green shit

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/images/090731-green-sahara_big.jpg


That's one huge freakin' sandtrap around the 14th hole!
AR4U  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 1:33:21 PM EST
Dessertification!!! OH NOEZ, er, nevermind.
Gone_Fission  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 1:34:30 PM EST
How long until the loonies create a "SAVE THE SAHARA" environmentalist action group.
SteelonSteel  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 1:36:18 PM EST
LOL, that's what I was thinking and I don't even golf? Where's that Fing pin gone too?
gearjammer351  [Member]
10/14/2010 1:37:19 PM EST
Chuck Norris once went lit a fart while camping in the Sahara Forest.
Credge  [Member]
10/14/2010 1:39:31 PM EST
Wait.

Hold on.

You're telling me that, when CO2 increases, more plants grow?

MIRACLES UP IN THIS BITCH!
Rebel  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 1:39:36 PM EST
It would make a nice golf course, except for the camel $%^&
cookhj  [Member]
10/14/2010 1:39:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
What would Al Gore say?


manbearpig.


i'm super serial.
fosters  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 1:40:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By stickfigure:
Higher temperatures means the Ice Caps will melt.

Higher temperatures means more water vaporization.

More CO2 means more plants.

Deserts will skrink. Plants will flourish.

The geological record supports this, not the picture Al Gore paints.



The Climate Zealots want to paint a picture of extremes, more storms, droughts, armageddon, dogs and cats living together, death, FEAR, FEAR, FEAR.

FUCK AL GORE!!! Fear mongering, hypocritical POS!

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter dear sir

Palm  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 1:46:02 PM EST
I guess Al Gore is going to get to Nobel Prize for saving the world from global warming. If he had not raised the alarm, the desert would be expanding, not shrinking.
Cypselus  [Member]
10/14/2010 1:51:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By stickfigure:
Higher temperatures means the Ice Caps will melt.

Higher temperatures means more water vaporization.

More CO2 means more plants.

Deserts will skrink. Plants will flourish.

The geological record supports this, not the picture Al Gore paints.



The Climate Zealots want to paint a picture of extremes, more storms, droughts, armageddon, dogs and cats living together, death, FEAR, FEAR, FEAR.

FUCK AL GORE!!! Fear mongering, hypocritical POS!

So the line today is AGW is real, but it's a good thing? Got it. I must have had my calendar mixed up.

What happens to London, New York, Bangladesh, and the Netherlands when those icecaps melt?
Bobby_the_Hun  [Life Member]
10/14/2010 1:57:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By stoner63a:

Originally Posted By Bobby_the_Hun:
OMG ! What's that green shit

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/images/090731-green-sahara_big.jpg


That's one huge freakin' sandtrap around the 14th hole!


Like the way you think
Cypselus  [Member]
10/14/2010 1:57:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By Credge:
Wait.

Hold on.

You're telling me that, when CO2 increases, more plants grow?

MIRACLES UP IN THIS BITCH!

Only if you give them BRAWNDO - the thirst mutilator.

357mag  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 2:08:35 PM EST
The progressives must be in charge of sand supply. That's the only thing I can think of that would cause a shortage.
sirensong  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 2:17:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By Cypselus:
Originally Posted By stickfigure:
Higher temperatures means the Ice Caps will melt.

Higher temperatures means more water vaporization.

More CO2 means more plants.

Deserts will skrink. Plants will flourish.

The geological record supports this, not the picture Al Gore paints.



The Climate Zealots want to paint a picture of extremes, more storms, droughts, armageddon, dogs and cats living together, death, FEAR, FEAR, FEAR.

FUCK AL GORE!!! Fear mongering, hypocritical POS!

So the line today is AGW is real, but it's a good thing? Got it. I must have had my calendar mixed up.

What happens to London, New York, Bangladesh, and the Netherlands when those icecaps melt?

don't be disingenuous––he said nothing at all about climate change being anthropogenic, and you know it. furthermore, potential positive effects from warming has been a consistent criticism of the catastrophist position from the very outset of the debate in the early 90s. you know this as well, or at least you should. the most common critiques of anthropogenic climate catastrophism:

1. the global climate is not warming outside of parameters normal for the last 100m years.

2. the climate is warming outside of these parameters, but this is not due to human behavior.

3. even if the climate is warming, the effects would be, on the whole, positive for biota generally, and humans specifically.
stickfigure  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 2:19:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By Cypselus:
Originally Posted By stickfigure:
Higher temperatures means the Ice Caps will melt.

Higher temperatures means more water vaporization.

More CO2 means more plants.

Deserts will skrink. Plants will flourish.

The geological record supports this, not the picture Al Gore paints.



The Climate Zealots want to paint a picture of extremes, more storms, droughts, armageddon, dogs and cats living together, death, FEAR, FEAR, FEAR.

FUCK AL GORE!!! Fear mongering, hypocritical POS!

So the line today is AGW is real, but it's a good thing? Got it. I must have had my calendar mixed up.

What happens to London, New York, Bangladesh, and the Netherlands when those icecaps melt?


Well, I took Geology 301 a few years ago from the University of Maryland (through the Military). The current feeling of the Geological Community (which is seperate from the Climate Community) is that, being we have just left the last Ice Age (around 12,000 years ago). Is that, the Earth is in a 60,000 year warming trend, and this is supported by both the Fossil Record and the Geologic Record.

We know for a fact that in the past higher CO2 levels (which existed naturally anyway) gave us very, very dense vegatation levels.

Plants do very well with high amounts of water, CO2, nutrients and warmth. Think "Rain Forests".

We have elevated CO2 levels, that is undisputable. But they may or may not be a factor, as we are supposed to be in a warming trend anyway.

I'm not saying, it's a good thing or a bad thing. Good or bad is relative to where you live, if you are a human, a plant or an animal.

What I am saying is that the Earth is a closed system, it compensates for things that happen.

If it is going to get warmer and the Ice Caps melt, the dryer areas, are going to get wetter, plants that did not grow there before, will grow there again.

Arguing about whether it's a good or a bad thing is a rather childish act, being that the Earth go's through cycles on it's own and doesn't give a shit about people one way or another.

You know what happens to London, Bangledesh and the Netherlands? They get fucked.

And being that nature had made 99% of life that came before the present, extinct...

Well, that's life. That's just the way it is.
PR361  [Member]
10/14/2010 3:57:14 PM EST
BAHH! WE LIVE ON A DYNMAMIC PLANET!? HORRORS!!
ArmyInfantryVet  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 4:04:46 PM EST
The Sahara changes all the time, something like every 10,000 years it goes from tropical to desert, back to tropical and then back to desert.

It's a naturally occuring event.
AnticitizenOne  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 4:09:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
Impossible. I was told in middle school that the Sahara is expanding rapidly and would eat the universe or something.

I also remember something about us running out of oil by the year 2000 and acid rain destroying us all.


Don't forget the modern ice age.
Vicinity  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 4:15:54 PM EST
Holy shit. That grass is green.
GiggleSmith  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 4:17:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By Gone_Fission:
How long until the loonies create a "SAVE THE SAHARA" environmentalist action group.

I'd say sometime before the end of The Current Century.


Hmmmmm.....The Sahara Forest? That old joke needs to be rewritten.
Pitdog13  [Member]
10/14/2010 4:18:21 PM EST
Nows the time to buy your next sh*t hole piece of property
AlvinYork  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 4:28:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By capnrob97:
What would Al Gore say?


Something typically progressive, that the water that the desert is now getting is from Europe, and that Europe is soon going to be a desert.
AlvinYork  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 4:29:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
Wow , you mean to tell us that the earth's climates changes and has been changing since long before humans were here?


you gotta be kidding, it didn't turn to crap until we showed up. I know because junk science tell me so.
Houstons_Problem  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 7:20:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Gone_Fission:
How long until the loonies create a "SAVE THE SAHARA" environmentalist action group.

I'm kind of worried. Peak sand.
Javak  [Team Member]
10/14/2010 7:27:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By capnrob97:
What would Al Gore say?

Bush's fault.

Now that the place is full of bushes.
Gone_Fission  [Team Member]
10/15/2010 6:43:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By Cypselus:
Originally Posted By stickfigure:
Higher temperatures means the Ice Caps will melt.

Higher temperatures means more water vaporization.

More CO2 means more plants.

Deserts will skrink. Plants will flourish.

The geological record supports this, not the picture Al Gore paints.



The Climate Zealots want to paint a picture of extremes, more storms, droughts, armageddon, dogs and cats living together, death, FEAR, FEAR, FEAR.

FUCK AL GORE!!! Fear mongering, hypocritical POS!

So the line today is AGW is real, but it's a good thing? Got it. I must have had my calendar mixed up.

What happens to London, New York, Bangladesh, and the Netherlands when those icecaps melt?


"Who cares" for $200?
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