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Andrewphillipf  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:07:45 PM
Can being in the same room or car with someone smoking weed cause you to fail a drug test?

I'm a recruiter and over the years I've had a few people fail the test but say that they've never used any drugs.

My superiors say that they're lying. I say they are stupid and I don't care either way, I'm just curious.
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mitchellh  [Member]
9/13/2010 8:11:33 PM
Originally Posted By Andrewphillipf:
Can being in the same room or car with someone smoking weed cause you to fail a drug test?

I'm a recruiter and over the years I've had a few people fail the test but say that they've never used any drugs.

My superiors say that they're lying. I say they are stupid and I don't care either way, I'm just curious.



1. No
2. Yes, it's called a false positive.

The_Beer_Slayer  [Site Staff]
9/13/2010 8:12:05 PM
for weed.... no. most urine tests are not that sensitive to pickup short term second hand usage. Many times they won't pick up irregular users. tests have gotten better over the years but not good enough for that. unless your locked in snoop dogs bedroom for a few hours you'd be hard pressed to get them.
DTIguy  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:12:46 PM
check it out...

http://www.ehow.com/how_4486550_fail-drug-test-not-illegal.html

"Medications such as Dexatrim, Advil and Aleve are drugs that read positive for THC and Ecstasy. Skip those drugs for at least 72 hours before your drug test.

Read more: How to Fail a Drug Test When Not on Illegal Drugs | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4486550_fail-drug-test-not-illegal.html#ixzz0zSTGBbFW"
Amped  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:13:35 PM
Also drinking to much water will fault some test
keroppl  [Member]
9/13/2010 8:13:53 PM
From second hand smoke? no, not unless you were hot boxing a closet

Of course false positives can happen.
TheJacket  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:14:17 PM
Yes, you can fail without smoking.
Traces will be detected in your urine if you were in a room with someone else that was smoking marijuana.

Or so I was told... I guess I could be wrong.
fxntime  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:14:44 PM
I've had to retest before because all I had in my urine was water due to the fact that I had been drinking a lot of it. [Due to the fact that I had just pissed 5 minutes before I was tagged for a random test so I slugged down a bunch of water.]
ExxonValdez  [Member]
9/13/2010 8:14:57 PM
Level of THC from secondhand exposure will give results under the threshold that would be reported as a positive test.
Slacker  [Member]
9/13/2010 8:16:18 PM
Originally Posted By TheJacket:
Yes, you can fail without smoking.
Traces will be detected in your urine if you were in a room with someone else that was smoking marijuana.

Or so I was told... I guess I could be wrong.


Traces? What PPM would constitute a failure?

Evil_ATF  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:16:29 PM
Originally Posted By TheJacket:
Yes, you can fail without smoking.
Traces will be detected in your urine if you were in a room with someone else that was smoking marijuana.

Or so I was told... I guess I could be wrong.


jeffm1000  [Member]
9/13/2010 8:16:47 PM
Originally Posted By TheJacket:
Yes, you can fail without smoking.
Traces will be detected in your urine if you were in a room with someone else that was smoking marijuana.

Or so I was told... I guess I could be wrong.


Uh, no.
Andrewphillipf  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:19:16 PM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
for weed.... no. most urine tests are not that sensitive to pickup short term second hand usage. Many times they won't pick up irregular users. tests have gotten better over the years but not good enough for that. unless your locked in snoop dogs bedroom for a few hours you'd be hard pressed to get them.


The kid that failed mine tonight said he was worried and bought his own test. His test came up Neg.

My test costs more money and works better or he's a fucking liar. Either way he's not moving forward in this process.


Adirondack47  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:20:55 PM
I believe there was a story in the last couple of years of a female cop in the Northeast somewhere (maybe NJ?) who got into some sort of accident with her patrol vehicle. Following her agency's protocol, she had to take a mandatory urine test. She was found to have cocaine in her system but swore up and down that she did not use any drugs of any sort, let alone cocaine.

She then claimed that her boyfriend might have used cocaine and she might have orally ingested some of his baby batter the day before she was in the accident. I wish that I could find a link because thats a great story if its true.
Seiran  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:21:13 PM
I remember teachers telling us not to eat poppy seed muffins before a drug test, because we would test positive for opiates.
Evil_ATF  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:21:24 PM
Originally Posted By Andrewphillipf:
The kid that failed mine tonight said he was worried and bought his own test. His test came up Neg.

My test costs more money and works better or he's a fucking liar. Either way he's not moving forward in this process.



How does a drug-free teen know where to purchase an at home THC test kit?

That should have been the first warning.
utb1528  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:22:00 PM
I am not sure about Aleve.

I tend to take Aleve and drug tests and have never failed a drug test.

Of course, I don't use illegal drugs.
Thunder900  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:22:35 PM
If you eat poppyseeds, you WILL fail a drug test as these show up as opiates in urine and blood analysis.

Make sure you tell recruits to avoid any food with poppyseed in it at least 2 weeks before processing. Also, tell them to avoid hanging around anywhere that marijuana is used, as the secondhand smoke can transmit THC to the bloodstream.
BamaInArk  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:24:19 PM
There was a report done about false positives. The tv show Mythbusters also did a test and referred to the test. Basically consuming poppy seeds prior to a test might cause a false positive. The bad news was many employers who deny employment don't have to tell you the reason and many employers have denied employment due to "false positive" drug test results. Although they have no idea they might be false positive. I think the number of false positives due to poppy seed consumption was fairly high.
Kharn  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:24:40 PM
Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
How does a drug-free teen know where to purchase an at home THC test kit?
That should have been the first warning.
Any big pharmacy, usually in a locked case.

Kharn

SIG-shooter  [Member]
9/13/2010 8:24:56 PM
yes, some things cause false positives
ScrinMaster  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:25:24 PM
Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
Originally Posted By Andrewphillipf:
The kid that failed mine tonight said he was worried and bought his own test. His test came up Neg.

My test costs more money and works better or he's a fucking liar. Either way he's not moving forward in this process.



How does a drug-free teen know where to purchase an at home THC test kit?

That should have been the first warning.


http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=home+drug+test

Walgreens, CVS, Target, Amazon, etc. I didn't know where to find one either, but that's what the internet is for.

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Evil_ATF  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:26:43 PM
Dopers.
Andrewphillipf  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:29:26 PM
Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
Originally Posted By Andrewphillipf:
The kid that failed mine tonight said he was worried and bought his own test. His test came up Neg.

My test costs more money and works better or he's a fucking liar. Either way he's not moving forward in this process.



How does a drug-free teen know where to purchase an at home THC test kit?

That should have been the first warning.


He hasn't lied about smoking in general. It's just been more than a couple months. (so he says)

Last Tuesday he was in a car on the freeway with windows rolled up and 2 people lit up. (so he says)

I've seen the at home drug tests at most drug stores.
TheJacket  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:31:06 PM
Originally Posted By Slacker:
Originally Posted By TheJacket:
Yes, you can fail without smoking.
Traces will be detected in your urine if you were in a room with someone else that was smoking marijuana.

Or so I was told... I guess I could be wrong.


Traces? What PPM would constitute a failure?



No idea... But back in high school I had a buddy on probation go to jail for failing a drug test.
He didn't smoke, but he did ride in a car with some people that were.

I am fairly sure he wouldn't be dumb enough to smoke, but then again, it was high school.
Another_Dude  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:34:53 PM
Could a test administered by humans show an incorrect result?

Unpossible.
Fearlessleader01  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:36:11 PM
Eating a poppy seed bagel, or anything with alot of poppy seeds will result in a false positive for heroin.
Ajek  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:37:00 PM
When I was at Basic, we got to go home for Christmas. The first thing we did when we got back was take a drug test. No one tested positive although there were a few who claimed to smoke some weed while home.

No idea if they were lying though.
Deej86  [Life Member]
9/13/2010 8:38:25 PM
I've wondered that, and I kid you not, about poppyseed buns.
Andrewphillipf  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:39:19 PM
Originally Posted By Fearlessleader01:
Eating a poppy seed bagel, or anything with alot of poppy seeds will result in a false positive for heroin.


I also had a guy pop for Meth at MEPS because he took an aderal the day before.

Shitty part is that he took it on accident.
freerider04  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:39:23 PM
Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
Originally Posted By Andrewphillipf:
The kid that failed mine tonight said he was worried and bought his own test. His test came up Neg.

My test costs more money and works better or he's a fucking liar. Either way he's not moving forward in this process.



How does a drug-free teen know where to purchase an at home THC test kit?

That should have been the first warning.


Uhhh, the sign over the appropriate aisle at my local Wal*Mart says "Home Drug Tests"

Right next to the condoms too....

82nd_Sapper  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:41:29 PM
Originally Posted By Ajek:
When I was at Basic, we got to go home for Christmas. The first thing we did when we got back was take a drug test. No one tested positive although there were a few who claimed to smoke some weed while home.

No idea if they were lying though.


Unless they smoked every day while they were back home they could have been under the threshold.

It varies by person and body type, but usually a person who is completely clean can smoke once and pass a test in under a week. Habitual smokers can take over a month to get clean.
m24shooter  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:43:55 PM
Originally Posted By TheJacket:
Originally Posted By Slacker:
Originally Posted By TheJacket:
Yes, you can fail without smoking.
Traces will be detected in your urine if you were in a room with someone else that was smoking marijuana.

Or so I was told... I guess I could be wrong.


Traces? What PPM would constitute a failure?



No idea... But back in high school I had a buddy on probation go to jail for failing a drug test.
He didn't smoke, but he did ride in a car with some people that were.

I am fairly sure he wouldn't be dumb enough to smoke, but then again, it was high school.


Just to make sure I'm tracking you here, he was smart enough to get on probation but not dumb enough to smoke.
Right, gotcha.
There is no contact high. There is no second-hand smoke high. Sorry.
There are false positives. That's why it is a good idea to have a lab contracted to verify the positives with a PPM chart.
Just a little pro tip.
The_Beer_Slayer  [Site Staff]
9/13/2010 8:46:38 PM
Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
Originally Posted By Andrewphillipf:
The kid that failed mine tonight said he was worried and bought his own test. His test came up Neg.

My test costs more money and works better or he's a fucking liar. Either way he's not moving forward in this process.



How does a drug-free teen know where to purchase an at home THC test kit?

That should have been the first warning.


over the counter at any drug store.


but yea.
The_Beer_Slayer  [Site Staff]
9/13/2010 8:48:34 PM
Originally Posted By Andrewphillipf:
Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
Originally Posted By Andrewphillipf:
The kid that failed mine tonight said he was worried and bought his own test. His test came up Neg.

My test costs more money and works better or he's a fucking liar. Either way he's not moving forward in this process.



How does a drug-free teen know where to purchase an at home THC test kit?

That should have been the first warning.


He hasn't lied about smoking in general. It's just been more than a couple months. (so he says)

Last Tuesday he was in a car on the freeway with windows rolled up and 2 people lit up. (so he says)

I've seen the at home drug tests at most drug stores.


he's lying or he is a chronic user. Longterm high dose users may test positive for a few months <more than 2>. thc stores in the fat and is released over time. the more you smoke the more you store.
USMC6177  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:48:50 PM
Originally Posted By Andrewphillipf:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
for weed.... no. most urine tests are not that sensitive to pickup short term second hand usage. Many times they won't pick up irregular users. tests have gotten better over the years but not good enough for that. unless your locked in snoop dogs bedroom for a few hours you'd be hard pressed to get them.


The kid that failed mine tonight said he was worried and bought his own test. His test came up Neg.

My test costs more money and works better or he's a fucking liar. Either way he's not moving forward in this process.




He's a fucking liar, just like all the other fuck nut poolees who don't have enough self control to not smoke weed. Fuck um, I am guessing you are not having a hard time getting your numbers in this economy? Sucks that you had to waste your time on Tommy Chong though



ETA

I realize I come across kinda harsh but during my time in the USMC I have lost count how many times fuck nugget shit bags fucked me over by pissing hot and leaving the shop short. You want to get high? Cool stay out of the Corps and eat all the doritos you want.
thatguywiththeak  [Member]
9/13/2010 8:48:53 PM
Originally Posted By TheJacket:
Yes, you can fail without smoking.
Traces will be detected in your urine if you were in a room with someone else that was smoking marijuana.

Or so I was told... I guess I could be wrong.


Its pretty hard to actually fail without smoking. The test looks for the metabolites produced by your body eliminating the drug. Usually the standard at which it comes up postive is high enough, pun intended, that you wont get a false positive from other things, being in contact with others while smoking, or even occassional use. I've seen people come up clean even though I know for a fact they have smoked multiple times in the last month or two. How much one can get away with depends on the testing standard and one's individual body chemistry/diet/ect.
HiramRanger  [Life Member]
9/13/2010 8:49:13 PM
Originally Posted By Thunder900:
If you eat poppyseeds, you WILL fail a drug test as these show up as opiates in urine and blood analysis.

Make sure you tell recruits to avoid any food with poppyseed in it at least 2 weeks before processing. Also, tell them to avoid hanging around anywhere that marijuana is used, as the secondhand smoke can transmit THC to the bloodstream.


I used to eat two poppy seed bagels every morning for years. When I had to take a drug test for a promotion I actually had to tell the investigator that my diet consisted of such. He went to the local bagel shop and confirmed with the store manager that I was a regular and my standing order was two poppy seed bagels, extra butter both sides and a large OJ. He made me test and retest a few weeks later after I switched to sesame seed bagels. I then avoided poppy seed bagels for several months with a couple random piss tests thrown in. I passed and have quit eating poppy seed bagels due to spot checks with my current employer. In seven months I have not been retested but if we are ever in a car accident during business hours (even in my own vehicle), or after hours in a company vehicle, automatic piss test. Would prefer to not play the bagel explanation game again.
161Infantry  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:49:38 PM
poppy seeds will give a false positive? Maybe if you eat 20lbs of seeds.........lol
Cypher15  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:50:47 PM

Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
Originally Posted By Andrewphillipf:
The kid that failed mine tonight said he was worried and bought his own test. His test came up Neg.

My test costs more money and works better or he's a fucking liar. Either way he's not moving forward in this process.



How does a drug-free teen know where to purchase an at home THC test kit?

That should have been the first warning.
possibly GOOGLE?

Riotgun  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:54:28 PM
I've seen false positives as well as false negatives.
westwardbound  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:54:54 PM
I remember at MEPS the med people asking about anything we may have taken in the last 24 hours. (tylenol, ibuprofen, etc)

Haven't heard of people never using and failing a test. Have known some people who have smoked the day before and passed a test the next day.
TheJacket  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:55:21 PM
Originally Posted By m24shooter:
Originally Posted By TheJacket:
Originally Posted By Slacker:
Originally Posted By TheJacket:
Yes, you can fail without smoking.
Traces will be detected in your urine if you were in a room with someone else that was smoking marijuana.

Or so I was told... I guess I could be wrong.


Traces? What PPM would constitute a failure?



No idea... But back in high school I had a buddy on probation go to jail for failing a drug test.
He didn't smoke, but he did ride in a car with some people that were.

I am fairly sure he wouldn't be dumb enough to smoke, but then again, it was high school.


Just to make sure I'm tracking you here, he was smart enough to get on probation but not dumb enough to smoke.
Right, gotcha.
There is no contact high. There is no second-hand smoke high. Sorry.
There are false positives. That's why it is a good idea to have a lab contracted to verify the positives with a PPM chart.
Just a little pro tip.


It was high school... Kids make mistakes.
I know I made plenty. I guess it's possible he smoked, but he told me he didn't and I don't see why he'd lie.
Like I said - it's possible he did.
HiramRanger  [Life Member]
9/13/2010 8:55:42 PM
Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
poppy seeds will give a false positive? Maybe if you eat 20lbs of seeds.........lol


Really?
hicap  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:56:22 PM
Originally Posted By Kharn:
Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
How does a drug-free teen know where to purchase an at home THC test kit?
That should have been the first warning.
Any big pharmacy, usually in a locked case.

Kharn



you can get them online for about $3 each.
EBR_Lover  [Member]
9/13/2010 8:56:28 PM
Originally Posted By Andrewphillipf:
Can being in the same room or car with someone smoking weed cause you to fail a drug test?

I'm a recruiter and over the years I've had a few people fail the test but say that they've never used any drugs.

My superiors say that they're lying. I say they are stupid and I don't care either way, I'm just curious.


It took me 2 months to get clean to get in the Army and my recruiter swore up and down that I was still smoking and I wasn't. Thats the shit that pissed me off the most (and almost made me not join) was the recruiter was getting an attitude about, but like the you said Im sure you come across tons of liars and its hard to trust recruits. To answer your question, I highly doubt it, I smoked before and after my military career and I still laugh when I hear that excuse.
Paul  [Site Staff]
9/13/2010 8:57:26 PM
Originally Posted By Andrewphillipf:
Can being in the same room or car with someone smoking weed cause you to fail a drug test?

I'm a recruiter and over the years I've had a few people fail the test but say that they've never used any drugs.

My superiors say that they're lying. I say they are stupid and I don't care either way, I'm just curious.


The Gas Cromatograph-Mass Spectrum (GCS) is completely accurate, unlike a field test that can change colors based on a chemical in the "neighborhood" of the one you're testing. The levels set for a positive reading are way higher than "I went to a Grateful Dead concert last night dood." levels.
Vicinity  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:57:51 PM
Originally Posted By TheJacket:
Yes, you can fail without smoking.
Traces will be detected in your urine if you were in a room with someone else that was smoking marijuana.

Or so I was told... I guess I could be wrong.


You're very wrong. I've been tested the next day after hanging out with my cousins and passed. My cousins are all potheads.
Andrewphillipf  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 8:57:59 PM
Originally Posted By USMC6177:
He's a fucking liar, just like all the other fuck nut poolees who don't have enough self control to not smoke weed. Fuck um, I am guessing you are not having a hard time getting your numbers in this economy? Sucks that you had to waste your time on Tommy Chong though


I run an office full of idiots in one of the worst cities in WA. Mission is a 10 and on the 15th. The last 2 people I tried sending up failed the test.

I could clean them up but my tour is over soon and I'm not risking my career on some stupid kids.
EBR_Lover  [Member]
9/13/2010 9:01:24 PM
Originally Posted By Andrewphillipf:
Originally Posted By USMC6177:
He's a fucking liar, just like all the other fuck nut poolees who don't have enough self control to not smoke weed. Fuck um, I am guessing you are not having a hard time getting your numbers in this economy? Sucks that you had to waste your time on Tommy Chong though


I run an office full of idiots in one of the worst cities in WA. Mission is a 10 and on the 15th. The last 2 people I tried sending up failed the test.

I could clean them up but my tour is over soon and I'm not risking my career on some stupid kids.


LOL that reminds me my recruiter bought me some test cleanse stuff just to be safe
redleg71  [Team Member]
9/13/2010 9:01:40 PM
I'm sorry, but if the dude is in the car when somebody fires up and he doesn't take action to not be part of that situation, then he gets what's coming.

As for the military tests, they've refined it to work pretty damn good these days. The days of false positives for Nuprin, poppy seeds, and all that are gone. If it's tested by protocol, what it says is what it is. The cutoff is at 50mcg/dkl, so even someone who smoked one a week before would likely piss negative if that's all they did. Those that piss hot are either regular users, or ones who've smoked-up pretty good in the days prior to the test.

The place in the system that can lead to a screw up is the chain-of-custody. There are quite a few who've gotten screwed over, then challenged; only to find out that somebody screwed up somewhere. I've heard of whole batches getting thrown out because somebody didn't sign a paper or didn't place a seal properly on a bottle. I guess those could possibly somebody's lucky day.
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