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 Recommendation: End the "vote for me" posts (poll added)
NAM  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 6:55:07 AM EST
I recommend that posts requesting "vote for me/vote for my kid/vote for my friend" be banned/not allowed. Not only is it dishonest, and cheating, but it brings harm to the site and community in general (hotlinks will show the referrer). Now, we have someone that joined arfcom solely for the purpose of winning contests, i.e. "I joined here because a friend said I could get some votes." This is despicable. I would argue that it is already against CoC #7. Do we really want to be known as the site that helps people cheat at contests?

I have no problem posting contests. But asking or implying that you should vote for the poster is morally wrong. Plain and simple.
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osprey21  [Life Member]
7/3/2011 7:04:13 AM EST
Agree.
OIF_Vet08-09  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 7:12:09 AM EST
+1. All the "vote for me, my spouse, my kids, my dog, etc" thread are getting out of hand.
IndianaGeologist  [Member]
7/3/2011 7:20:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Agree.


This.
NAM  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 7:38:49 AM EST
What finally made me post this thread:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=142&t=1202208

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=132&t=1202210&light=

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=154&t=1202211&light=

I'm all for helping out military folks. But this goes against everything I was ever taught in the military regarding integrity, honesty, and self respect. If I am going to win a contest, I want to win in honestly, fair and square. I would have thought most military people would agree, but it seems I was wrong....there are several .mil folks vehemently defending her.

And for the record, posting the same message in different areas is indeed "spamming".
NightStalker6  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 7:50:29 AM EST
I disagree, doesn't bother me and if it did I wouldn't click on the thread. I don't know and will not vote for her but it doesn't bother me.

ETA: Posting it in multiple places is wrong I agree with that part. I have.in the past voted for things I thought were good causes though and hit pro-gun polls as often as I am able.
NAM  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 7:54:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By NightStalker6:
I disagree, doesn't bother me and if it did I wouldn't click on the thread. I don't know and will not vote for her but it doesn't bother me.


Do we not hold ourselves to a higher standard?

"The only thing required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."
skinnysarge79  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 7:55:24 AM EST
Then do we ban the firemission/poll threads, too?
NAM  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 8:02:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By skinnysarge79:
Then do we ban the firemission/poll threads, too?


In all honestly, I would have to say it depends.

We know the other side loves to slant polls. We're screwed either way... either we let them win, or we sink to their level.

I guess there's not really any harm in posting a link to a poll...technically speaking.

There is a big difference between a firearm related opinion gathering poll, and a contest where the winner obtains some sort of tangible prize. Don't get me wrong, I don't support the folks that flush cookies, use proxies, and try to slant the numbers as much as they can.
goodmedicine  [Life Member]
7/3/2011 8:08:58 AM EST
I don't know what the site policies should be for these contest vote requests.

But most if not all of these sponsors encourage this type of promotion to bring traffic
and do not consider it "cheating"


GM
NAM  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 9:59:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By goodmedicine:
But most if not all of these sponsors encourage this type of promotion to bring traffic
and do not consider it "cheating"


Not an angle I had considered. While I can certainly agree that some contests may be this way, I don't know that I can agree that "most if not all" are like that.
Josh  [Life Member]
7/3/2011 10:02:55 AM EST
Absurd.

Web polls don't prove anything.

They don't affect anything, no one listens to anything that comes from them.

It's not "dishonest", they're fucking popularity contests.

If you don't like them, hit the ignore button, or don't click on it to begin with.

With all the things in the world that there are to get irritated about, you picked this one? Seriously?

NAM  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 10:04:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By Josh:
It's not "dishonest", they're fucking popularity contests.


Just what arfcom needs.
Josh  [Life Member]
7/3/2011 10:05:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By NAM:
Originally Posted By Josh:
It's not "dishonest", they're fucking popularity contests.


Just what arfcom needs.


Who cares? Why does it bother you so much?

Literally, nobody cares about these things, except you, apparently.

You have an issue (and this is a callout thread, btw), call out our newest deployed-in-a-war-zone military member here in the pit. See how that goes for you.
NAM  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 10:08:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By Josh:
Literally, nobody cares about these things, except you, apparently.


Have you read this thread?
Josh  [Life Member]
7/3/2011 10:08:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By NAM:
Originally Posted By Josh:
Literally, nobody cares about these things, except you, apparently.


Have you read this thread?


This callout thread that you posted in the wrong section of the site?
NAM  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 10:13:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By Josh:
This callout thread that you posted in the wrong section of the site?


This is a discussion about whether or not we should allow "vote for me" contestst. Unless you have something constructive to contribute to the discussion beside personal attacks and false accusations, I recommend you go elsewhere.
WileyCoyote  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 10:14:10 AM EST
i agree w/ NAM that the "hey vote for me", "or vote for my XYZ's dog", ..etc. is getting plenty annoying... isn't that what facebook is for???

hell, you even get this stuff in Team forum.. i don't think there's a need for the site to ban all such threads, but i think that we could declutter alot of this by restricting it to only certain subforms, ..or if people need this so much, a subforum only for "vote for me" stuff..

seeing it in every subforum is trashy, and takes away from the topics being debated.
Josh  [Life Member]
7/3/2011 10:17:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By NAM:
Originally Posted By Josh:
This callout thread that you posted in the wrong section of the site?


This is a discussion about whether or not we should allow "vote for me" contestst. Unless you have something constructive to contribute to the discussion beside personal attacks and false accusations, I recommend you go elsewhere.


I haven't personally attacked you, you personally attacked someone in BOTD, and now you're dragging your bullshit drama into site suggestions of all places. This thread is a callout, and it doesn't belong here, it belongs in the pit. Go for it, you know you want to.
NAM  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 10:21:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By WileyCoyote:
i agree w/ NAM that the "hey vote for me", "or vote for my XYZ's dog", ..etc. is getting plenty annoying... isn't that what facebook is for???

hell, you even get this stuff in Team forum.. i don't think there's a need for the site to ban all such threads, but i think that we could declutter alot of this by restricting it to only certain subforms, ..or if people need this so much, a subforum only for "vote for me" stuff..

seeing it in every subforum is trashy, and takes away from the topics being debated.


And this is an idea that might just work. Why not a separate "firemission" subforum? All "vote for me" style contests would have to be in that subforum.
us-kiwi  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 10:26:10 AM EST
I don't mind the request, but the support/vote has to be 'earned', in some fashion, not just requested.

Currently, the requests for votes seem to be related to some form of photos of 'scantily clad young ladies',
in the BOTD area, which works for me, weather it is self, or SO/GF/wife, etc.
However, the quality and quantity of said photos has to justify the vote request.

Right now, the bar has been set pretty high, there have been some outstanding threads about people
requesting votes - and some incredible threads not even attached to a request - Nikki Lane, for one.

And I dont just mean the 'skin' but more importantly, the personality of said poster/requester.

Like I sad, EARN the vote. Catch my interest. Educate me about your cause. Convince me it is something
worthy of my vote.

Dont just put you hand out with a 'I need your vote, for me."

Shouldn't be banned tho. Just my .02

YMMV
Combat_Jack  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 10:33:46 AM EST
An attractive woman posted pictures of herself nearly nude online to impress you and you're bitching about it.
winddummy82  [Team Member]
7/3/2011 12:28:15 PM EST
politicians never say LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME NOW VOTE FOR ME??? nam i have no clue what got your panties in a bunch... half the fun of arfcom is voting in firemissions! if you don't like the thread title / content don't click on it! END OF STORY!!!
VA-gunnut  [Site Staff]
7/3/2011 1:07:10 PM EST
As it stands, there is no rule against people asking for votes for contests etc...

That said, if they are using the "contest" as a way of drumming up traffic to their own site, that isn't allowed.

I did trash a couple of the linked threads, as that is just spamming, and that too isn't allowed.

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