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 Official "We Need An Exclusive A2 Forum" thread!!
retroangles  [Member]
2/3/2011 11:53:56 AM
Site staff, I am hoping that enough people will post here backing up the fact that AR15.com needs some type of Retro forum specifically dealing with the A2 and later rifle and carbine! Poll after poll has been taken in the Retro forum, and everytime the vote comes out in favor of the A2 needing it's own forum! It is getting to the point that people are taking offense to the polite encouragement to post only pre A2 questions and comments in the Retro Forum! So for the greater good of the AR15.com community, please add an A2 specific forum! I am hoping this will turn into a petition of sorts! We will see? Thanks for your time...
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jhud  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 12:07:10 PM
Jhud signs this petition.
A2s need a forum dedicated to documenting the development and history.
A1/retro forum should be a separate identity.
GulfCrow  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 12:10:40 PM
Concur... Please add my vote!
MarkRSims  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 12:11:25 PM
Count me in too.
midwinter  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 12:12:30 PM
A2 and other asst 20" variants, yes.


Please site staff? We'll feed it and stuff, promise.


Madcap72  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 12:16:37 PM
+1, with the large number of active duty, and veterans who came up on a2's, I'm sure there's enough love for them.
crackedcornish  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 12:33:40 PM
a forum dedicated to the A2 and it's variants is long overdue
Der_Hans  [Member]
2/3/2011 1:06:05 PM
Originally Posted By retroangles:
please add an A2 specific forum!


+1, it's the only way we'll end all the childish A2 bashing.
86HMMWV  [Member]
2/3/2011 1:42:10 PM
I agree! The A2 needs its own forum. Otherwise, it should be accepted into the Retro Forum for discussion even though it isn't retro.
Cdenmark  [Member]
2/3/2011 1:43:08 PM
I agree. Long overdue.
otvnv  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 1:53:42 PM
let the younger guys have there own forum for there weapons
TexSquirrel  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 4:21:13 PM
I agree, we need a Historical A2 section.
For discussing the A2's military history starting with the Colt 645 and then skipping to the Colt 701 and ending with the Colt 779.
Let's not wait until the A2's history is long forgotten.

Make sure you park it right next door to the Retro (A1) forum.
my65pan  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 6:32:05 PM
Please leave the retro forum to A1s.
Booze  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 6:39:20 PM
I'm in. I know there isn't as much interest as there is in the A1's, but I think there's some stuff to discuss. I have some questions about what units used the aimpoint goosenecks and when, since I can barely find any pictures of that, and also about the Colt ACR. Nobody in AR discussion cares about history and timelines, and everyone in the retro forums grabs the pitchforks if you mention A2. It's a fun hobby that doesn't stop at buying a rifle, it's a history lesson and a learning experience. I'm as old as the first A2's now, and a 28 year old rifle is new to some old farts around here, but to me so far, it's a been lifetime. Don't you wish someone had already done the legwork on A1 research awhile back so there wouldn't be gaps in information? If we start now while they're still "new" we will have a big database of knowledge to draw from. Think about all the questions there are about Black Hawk Down carbines and accessories, and it wasn't even that long ago!
Morg308  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 6:46:57 PM
I'm adding my vote for an A2 section despite the fact that I think there's room for them on the retro forum. It seems that the A2 guys want 'official' acceptance, whatever that means, so please oblige them. Personally I think it's going to make the retro forum a little poorer, because I LIKE reading posts about grey A2's and BHD builds, despite A2's NOT being retro IMO. I just want the stupid debate to end once and for all.
ar15mutt  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 7:05:51 PM
yes, the a2 needs their own forum. so let them have it.
LESPAUL1  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 7:10:11 PM
I started with the M16A1. We were the last ones to get the A2's and they were the cats ass. We thought they were the best with the round handgaurds and a new rear sight. They were almost as cool as STAR TREK.

OH YEAH, I'M IN.
AFSOC_COP  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 7:40:50 PM
Totally agree!!!! I have a couple A2s, was trained on and went to war the first time round with the A2 and I have a genuine soft spot in my heart for them. However, I don't think they need to be detracting from the retro forum that has always been geared to the pre-A2 models with their 1:12 twist barrels, and A1 style sights. Give the A2 it's own forum. It's been far too long in the waiting for one and will finally bring some peace to the retro forum.
Aimless  [Site Staff]
2/3/2011 7:43:32 PM
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Marksman14  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 7:49:23 PM
Don't we have a retro forum???
AFSOC_COP  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 8:05:10 PM
Yes but the A2 isn't retro no matter what the pepsi generation may say.

Recovry4x4  [Team Member]
2/3/2011 8:20:46 PM
I'm posting only because I'd like to see the A2 stuff. I'm not particularly concerned with giving them their own forum or including them in the retro forum. I don't give a hoot if they are called retro or not. It would be nice to just have a place to discuss and share pics of our A2s.
Mosin_Nagant  [Team Member]
2/4/2011 10:51:34 AM
In my mind, Retro AR-15s refer to the Vietnam era, and early variants of the rifle.

What about a sub-forum dedicated to the "modern" military versions of the AR-15/M16. There are occasional threads on the A2 in the retro forum, but I don't think there would be enough traffic to warrant a forum just for the M16A2. The rules would be similar to the Retro Forum, in that discussion would be limited to specifically the M16A2/A3/A4, M4/A1, and other military variations of the AR15/M16. It would allow a place to discuss the history of the military versions, and how to build accurate, mil-spec rifles. I think it would solve the issue at hand, while leaving the Retro Forum as is.


F14ADC  [Member]
2/4/2011 11:46:30 AM
I vote yes on an A2 forum. While I own both A1 and A2 types and would prefer to be able to discuss them at the same time/place I think a military A2 only forum would be best at this point.
Ralph
Der_Hans  [Member]
2/4/2011 4:53:00 PM
While you're at it, can we rename the retro forum in some manner that makes it clear that it's reserved exclusively for the A1?
53vortec  [Team Member]
2/4/2011 5:00:06 PM
Obviously the time frame for the forum would start with the development of the M16A2, but where would it end? The Colt carbines with A2 uppers?
53vortec  [Team Member]
2/4/2011 5:00:41 PM
Originally Posted By Der_Hans:
While you're at it, can we rename the retro forum in some manner that makes it clear that it's reserved exclusively for the A1?


Where are the E1s gonna go then?
Der_Hans  [Member]
2/4/2011 5:01:51 PM
Originally Posted By 53vortec:
Originally Posted By Der_Hans:
While you're at it, can we rename the retro forum in some manner that makes it clear that it's reserved exclusively for the A1?


Where are the E1s gonna go then?


Not my problem, don't care. All I want is to be able to read a plain old A2 thread without somebody complaining that it's in the wrong place, and suggesting that I start a poll so we can all bicker about it for three days.
Morg308  [Team Member]
2/4/2011 8:56:50 PM
Mods - I really think the solution is to make Retro a SECTION, like Survival Gear is under Outdoors. I've posted a thread with a poll in the retro forum. We've grown a lot, and this would give the A2 owners a PLACE in the retro forum where they can discuss A2's. Hell, I'd be checking it out for BHD threads and such. The interest in all things retro is huge, and the retro forum has shown that and always 'tacken in' weird but interesting historical threads that don't fit anywhere else. Making the Retro forum a Section under AR-15, or even by itself, would give all AR15 owners a great 'reference' library of historical weapons.
BwanaG  [Team Member]
2/4/2011 9:06:14 PM
I say why not? No harm done.
Halschick  [Team Member]
2/4/2011 9:16:57 PM
I vote "Yes" for a separate A2 Forum.
Torquemada055  [Member]
2/4/2011 10:04:41 PM
Hey AFSOC_COP to me you ARE the Pepsi generation!!!

Now with that out of the way, give the A2 kid's a place to call home, us old farts got ours already.
TexSquirrel  [Team Member]
2/4/2011 10:28:41 PM
I like Morg308's suggestion!
DocMike  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 12:48:08 AM
Originally Posted By TexSquirrel:
I like Morg308's suggestion!


+1

I won't be posting too much for the next couple of weeks because I've been reduced to dial-up while my laptop gets a new screen installed but, I want to say that I think that it's time that A2's get their own place. When the Retro Forum began it was deemed "experimental" to see if there was enough interest to support a stand alone retro forum, (back when it was inexpensive to build a vintage A1clone) and now we are seeing new members almost every day. I guess my point is now that we know that the Retro Forum will survive maybe it's time to let it expand to see if an all A2 forum has enough support to stand alone (or at least as a sub heading as Morg308 suggested).

Doc
Hal143  [Member]
2/5/2011 3:46:52 AM
+1 a seperate A2 forum.
badhand1  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 11:44:49 AM
I agree also needs its own forum.
Couch-Commando  [Team Member]
2/5/2011 1:37:13 PM
Yeah, the retro guys think I'm too modern and AR tech thinks I'm too old school.

An A2 forum would be nice.

I think it would be a good place to discuss both historic A2 models and the fundamentals of marksmanship.
MSPRet  [Member]
2/6/2011 12:48:20 PM
Sign me up...I believe a seperate A2 section would be great for the forum and members alike, as well as beneficial to the other "retro" section....<><....:)
Farmboy73  [Member]
2/6/2011 2:18:05 PM
+1! Count me in. I qualified on the A2 and it's still one of my favorites!
Gamma762  [Team Member]
2/6/2011 4:01:22 PM
I postulated at the time that the "retro" forum should instead have just been "Historical discussions" or something to that effect, just to encompass preservation of information across the full history of AR15 based rifle development. By specifically limiting the retro forum to pre-A2 discussion, we're just widening the gap of lost information between "retro" and current rifle incarnations.

So yes, there needs to be a forum where accurate information regarding A2s and their development, various 70s/80s/90s carbines,"BHD carbines", even M4 development, adoption and later modifications all has a home. It may not have the appeal of the Vietnam era rifles, but it's still valuable information to be able to know how we got to where we are today.

Once and for all leave the bickering in the retro forum behind and have a place where the post-Vietnam history (up until the present really) can be discussed and preserved. I mean... how is an A2 from 1982 not retro, when a Colt 723 from 1990 is supposedly retro? If it's just the rear sight, why is a C7 not retro then? End that madness with another forum.

I'd even be in favor of not having an forward cutoff, as (with discretion) I'd suggest allowing the preservation of technical information up to the present time... kind of like sending the first unit off the production line straight to the museum. 10 years from now it might be useful to have a reference of contemporaneous discussion about the change to putting the M4A1 barrels on M4s for example.
Cleis102  [Member]
2/15/2011 8:33:14 PM
I agree that there should be an A2 forum. The AR discussion is dominated with M4 types loaded with optics and accessories and the Retro forum isn't really the place to talk about A2's.
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