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Are these the real Masons?
6/11/2011 8:40:41 PM
Can the masons answer some questions for me? While serving in the ARMY I've noticed a huge population of masons that are black. What I domt understand is why these "masons" wear chains with the mason symbols and always wear jackets with the logos on it. To me it doesn't seem very professional. Many of these same guys I've witnessed doing questionable deals as well. Are these the real masons that have the nice lodges and that you see on the history channel etc... Also in some major cities I've seen this as well. I'm not trying to be racist, this is just some personal observations I've made over the years.
6/11/2011 10:53:41 PM
Prince Hall Masons. Just as legit as any other Mason.
6/11/2011 10:57:52 PM
sometimes it's hard to say.
i know several prince hall masons and everyone of them i have met is a reputable stand up individual.
the rap community has also tried to use our symbolism as trying to represent themselves as part of the "new world order" crap. if they are scumbags i am more likely to believe they are rap morons.
i know several prince hall masons and everyone of them i have met is a reputable stand up individual.
the rap community has also tried to use our symbolism as trying to represent themselves as part of the "new world order" crap. if they are scumbags i am more likely to believe they are rap morons.
6/11/2011 11:01:45 PM
Some Masonic things have been stolen by pop-culture. We don't actually have an enforcement arm to prosecute people wearing or displaying our symbols under false pretenses.
Rihanna, for instance, is not a Freemason.
ETA - I've never met a Prince Hall Mason that isn't far better dressed and displays more class than I.
Rihanna, for instance, is not a Freemason.
ETA - I've never met a Prince Hall Mason that isn't far better dressed and displays more class than I.
6/11/2011 11:03:03 PM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
sometimes it's hard to say.
i know several prince hall masons and everyone of them i have met is a reputable stand up individual.
the rap community has also tried to use our symbolism as trying to represent themselves as part of the "new world order" crap. if they are scumbags i am more likely to believe they are rap morons.
sometimes it's hard to say.
i know several prince hall masons and everyone of them i have met is a reputable stand up individual.
the rap community has also tried to use our symbolism as trying to represent themselves as part of the "new world order" crap. if they are scumbags i am more likely to believe they are rap morons.
+1 I've read that the PH masons are a mixed bag with some of it morphing into a "church" like role. i wouldn't be surprised if a gang didn't pop up saying they were masons.
6/11/2011 11:12:01 PM
Prince Hall is an unusual fit in Masonry. Recognition, visitation, etc. has been spotty over the years. For example, I'm a member of the Grand Lodge of Texas, A.F. & A.M. We are "the" Masonic lodge that people think of in Texas. We don't allow Prince Hall Masons in our lodge and don't allow our Masons to visit Prince Hall lodges. Add to that the fact that a lot of rap music fans pretend to be Prince Hall Masons and you have a lot of confusion.
6/11/2011 11:14:19 PM
Originally Posted By JacobusRex:
Prince Hall is an unusual fit in Masonry. Recognition, visitation, etc. has been spotty over the years. For example, I'm a member of the Grand Lodge of Texas, A.F. & A.M. We are "the" Masonic lodge that people think of in Texas. We don't allow Prince Hall Masons in our lodge and don't allow our Masons to visit Prince Hall lodges. Add to that the fact that a lot of rap music fans pretend to be Prince Hall Masons and you have a lot of confusion.
Prince Hall is an unusual fit in Masonry. Recognition, visitation, etc. has been spotty over the years. For example, I'm a member of the Grand Lodge of Texas, A.F. & A.M. We are "the" Masonic lodge that people think of in Texas. We don't allow Prince Hall Masons in our lodge and don't allow our Masons to visit Prince Hall lodges. Add to that the fact that a lot of rap music fans pretend to be Prince Hall Masons and you have a lot of confusion.
That's the way it's done in MS.
6/12/2011 12:42:52 AM
Thanks guys. I figured as much. It's a shame a prestigious group like yours has had its symbolism stolen and used for their own personal gain.
6/12/2011 12:48:40 AM
I really don't want to turn this into a Prince Hall thread, because I suspect it might be divisive ...
... so I'm not going to
... so I'm not going to
6/12/2011 12:49:10 PM
the rift with prince hall in general is NOT a racial issue <although many want to turn it into that> the origins of the split with PH has to do with their never having recieved a proper charter to operate and just stepping out on their own and saying to hell with thee state GL's and UGLE after being pretty well ingored in their requests for a charter..
i did a good bit of research on PH and his lodges and form of masonry. they have procedural differences but from what i can tell their teachings are very colse to what we profess in general.
there is also universal masonry which a split form PH and even a 3rd that split from those but i forget the name of it.
the story of prince hall is a very interesting read if your into history.
i did a good bit of research on PH and his lodges and form of masonry. they have procedural differences but from what i can tell their teachings are very colse to what we profess in general.
there is also universal masonry which a split form PH and even a 3rd that split from those but i forget the name of it.
the story of prince hall is a very interesting read if your into history.
6/12/2011 2:25:18 PM
See what I mean? 
Take this in the spirit of friendly discussion, please. My ancestors were from Missouri, Texas, and North Carolina (except for the Irish in the late 1800's who got out of New York and Canada as fast as they could) so it would take a bit of work to call me a Yankee.
PH was chartered by GLE in 1784.
Look for a map of Prince Hall recognition and see if the states who don't recognize have anything in common. It's a bit odd that every GL in the Union except for the traditionally southern states have finally accepted PH. Now I admit that I've not sat in a southern lodge during a discussion of this, so I don't know what's said (much less what's thought) but if it quacks like a duck ....
Sorry, but I have sat in lodge with some older guys who came from places closer to the Mississippi, so I don't have any doubt that racism can be found even in our fraternity. During the discussion to allow PH visitation in Colorado, older brethren were not shy about sharing their feelings on the matter. It's disgusting, and less prevalent than it was a generation ago, but it's undeniably present.
It may be that 10 of the GL's in coincidentally Confederate states have pure and honest motives for denying recognition, but looking in from the outside it seems apparent what the issue really is. By conforming to stereotypes, you confirm them.
Never run into Universal Masonry though. We don't even have much trouble with the Co-Masons and they're headquartered a mere 50 miles south of here - They're either dying out, very small, or remarkably quiet.
But a large percentage of this state is Catholic and they aren't very likely to start clandestine lodges (as an aside, I wonder how popular KoC is with Hispanics. Every KoC I know is a pasty white dude)
Take this in the spirit of friendly discussion, please. My ancestors were from Missouri, Texas, and North Carolina (except for the Irish in the late 1800's who got out of New York and Canada as fast as they could) so it would take a bit of work to call me a Yankee.
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
the rift with prince hall in general is NOT a racial issue <although many want to turn it into that> the origins of the split with PH has to do with their never having recieved a proper charter to operate and just stepping out on their own and saying to hell with thee state GL's and UGLE after being pretty well ingored in their requests for a charter..
i did a good bit of research on PH and his lodges and form of masonry. they have procedural differences but from what i can tell their teachings are very colse to what we profess in general.
there is also universal masonry which a split form PH and even a 3rd that split from those but i forget the name of it.
the story of prince hall is a very interesting read if your into history.
the rift with prince hall in general is NOT a racial issue <although many want to turn it into that> the origins of the split with PH has to do with their never having recieved a proper charter to operate and just stepping out on their own and saying to hell with thee state GL's and UGLE after being pretty well ingored in their requests for a charter..
i did a good bit of research on PH and his lodges and form of masonry. they have procedural differences but from what i can tell their teachings are very colse to what we profess in general.
there is also universal masonry which a split form PH and even a 3rd that split from those but i forget the name of it.
the story of prince hall is a very interesting read if your into history.
PH was chartered by GLE in 1784.
Look for a map of Prince Hall recognition and see if the states who don't recognize have anything in common. It's a bit odd that every GL in the Union except for the traditionally southern states have finally accepted PH. Now I admit that I've not sat in a southern lodge during a discussion of this, so I don't know what's said (much less what's thought) but if it quacks like a duck ....
Sorry, but I have sat in lodge with some older guys who came from places closer to the Mississippi, so I don't have any doubt that racism can be found even in our fraternity. During the discussion to allow PH visitation in Colorado, older brethren were not shy about sharing their feelings on the matter. It's disgusting, and less prevalent than it was a generation ago, but it's undeniably present.
It may be that 10 of the GL's in coincidentally Confederate states have pure and honest motives for denying recognition, but looking in from the outside it seems apparent what the issue really is. By conforming to stereotypes, you confirm them.
Never run into Universal Masonry though. We don't even have much trouble with the Co-Masons and they're headquartered a mere 50 miles south of here - They're either dying out, very small, or remarkably quiet.
But a large percentage of this state is Catholic and they aren't very likely to start clandestine lodges (as an aside, I wonder how popular KoC is with Hispanics. Every KoC I know is a pasty white dude)
6/12/2011 2:55:12 PM
Not all Grand Lodges recognize PH, most that do not are in the south. West Virginia recently voted against recognition as did Florida.
States that do not recognize PH as regular
States that do not recognize PH as regular
6/12/2011 2:57:17 PM
the issue lies in the formation of the PH GL, the fact that many GL's will only formally recognise one GL per state <i know that is for sure here> and the fact that at least here PH does not desire recognition. From what i am told our GL tried to open this discussion with them several years ago and was pretty much told they didn't require or desire recognition.
frankly i think they should be recognised today as they have overcome any irregular arguments by being formally recognised by other recognised GL in other states.
i have no doubt there IS a racism issue with some but that generation is dying and those ideas are dying with them.
frankly i think they should be recognised today as they have overcome any irregular arguments by being formally recognised by other recognised GL in other states.
i have no doubt there IS a racism issue with some but that generation is dying and those ideas are dying with them.
6/12/2011 3:06:37 PM
Not trying to start anything, and if this not appropriate please remove it or ask me and i will.
Like 5 years ago a person tried to recruit me to be one, just like the OP posted. I didn't get a good vibe from it and never did. A year after that, they guy was fired from his job for embezzlement of about 150,000 dollars.
That is all.
Like 5 years ago a person tried to recruit me to be one, just like the OP posted. I didn't get a good vibe from it and never did. A year after that, they guy was fired from his job for embezzlement of about 150,000 dollars.
That is all.
6/12/2011 3:26:11 PM
Originally Posted By Aurktman:
Prince Hall Masons. Just as legit as any other Mason.
Prince Hall Masons. Just as legit as any other Mason.
Not so.
Are you a Mason? I am.
I cannot sit in their lodge.
ETA:
As an above post stated, some of the PH lodges aren't even interested in coming together. Why would they?
They're doing their thing with their people.
I've been a MM for over 10 years and held several seats and NEVER have I heard anything negative about any race or specifically about PH said in my lodge either before, during or after a meeting.
We don't sit with them for the same reason we don't sit in lodges in some other country's. They aren't recodnized.
Why does it seem that so many (esp the people with no dog in the fight) want to force people together, be they groups or individuals ?
I guess I'm the devil for prefering it the way it is.
6/12/2011 4:01:17 PM
Originally Posted By Papi4baby:
Not trying to start anything, and if this not appropriate please remove it or ask me and i will.
Like 5 years ago a person tried to recruit me to be one, just like the OP posted. I didn't get a good vibe from it and never did. A year after that, they guy was fired from his job for embezzlement of about 150,000 dollars.
That is all.
Not trying to start anything, and if this not appropriate please remove it or ask me and i will.
Like 5 years ago a person tried to recruit me to be one, just like the OP posted. I didn't get a good vibe from it and never did. A year after that, they guy was fired from his job for embezzlement of about 150,000 dollars.
That is all.
depends on your state.... but here we don't not ask or recuit. other states do.
the more i get involved with this the more i see "recruiting" and weekend classes for masonry to be a very bad idea. You can never look into a mans heart to tell if he is good or not. there is a reason becoming a MM should take time and there is a reason many states require an actual effort to achieve it. Every group is subject to getting a douchbag in the door. But generally making a man take the time to work for it gives us the oportunity to determine that before he goes to far.
6/12/2011 9:50:59 PM
Originally Posted By HELOBRAVO:
Not so.
Are you a Mason? I am.
I cannot sit in their lodge.
ETA:
As an above post stated, some of the PH lodges aren't even interested in coming together. Why would they?
They're doing their thing with their people.
I've been a MM for over 10 years and held several seats and NEVER have I heard anything negative about any race or specifically about PH said in my lodge either before, during or after a meeting.
We don't sit with them for the same reason we don't sit in lodges in some other country's. They aren't recodnized.
Why does it seem that so many (esp the people with no dog in the fight) want to force people together, be they groups or individuals ?
I guess I'm the devil for prefering it the way it is.
Originally Posted By Aurktman:
Prince Hall Masons. Just as legit as any other Mason.
Prince Hall Masons. Just as legit as any other Mason.
Not so.
Are you a Mason? I am.
I cannot sit in their lodge.
ETA:
As an above post stated, some of the PH lodges aren't even interested in coming together. Why would they?
They're doing their thing with their people.
I've been a MM for over 10 years and held several seats and NEVER have I heard anything negative about any race or specifically about PH said in my lodge either before, during or after a meeting.
We don't sit with them for the same reason we don't sit in lodges in some other country's. They aren't recodnized.
Why does it seem that so many (esp the people with no dog in the fight) want to force people together, be they groups or individuals ?
I guess I'm the devil for prefering it the way it is.
This is something that is quite cyclical. Masonic lodges need to focus on quality over quantity. It appears that about every 20-30 years, some new batch of GM's decide that membership is too low and go on a recruiting drive. In the end, we end up with some good new members, but also some crap. It takes time and effort to weed those out dirtbags who were brought in to boost numbers. It happens everywhere and every so often. As for the guys similar to what Papi4baby speak of, we have some of those, just as any organization does. It is the responsibility of the good members to show those types the door and to not let those types in to begin with.
6/12/2011 10:04:13 PM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
depends on your state.... but here we don't not ask or recuit. other states do.
the more i get involved with this the more i see "recruiting" and weekend classes for masonry to be a very bad idea. You can never look into a mans heart to tell if he is good or not. there is a reason becoming a MM should take time and there is a reason many states require an actual effort to achieve it. Every group is subject to getting a douchbag in the door. But generally making a man take the time to work for it gives us the oportunity to determine that before he goes to far.
Originally Posted By Papi4baby:
Not trying to start anything, and if this not appropriate please remove it or ask me and i will.
Like 5 years ago a person tried to recruit me to be one, just like the OP posted. I didn't get a good vibe from it and never did. A year after that, they guy was fired from his job for embezzlement of about 150,000 dollars.
That is all.
Not trying to start anything, and if this not appropriate please remove it or ask me and i will.
Like 5 years ago a person tried to recruit me to be one, just like the OP posted. I didn't get a good vibe from it and never did. A year after that, they guy was fired from his job for embezzlement of about 150,000 dollars.
That is all.
depends on your state.... but here we don't not ask or recuit. other states do.
the more i get involved with this the more i see "recruiting" and weekend classes for masonry to be a very bad idea. You can never look into a mans heart to tell if he is good or not. there is a reason becoming a MM should take time and there is a reason many states require an actual effort to achieve it. Every group is subject to getting a douchbag in the door. But generally making a man take the time to work for it gives us the oportunity to determine that before he goes to far.
Aparently they had their eye on me for a couple of years before approaching me, there was a civilian guy working on the same building in the base as me and he was the guy keeping tabs on me.
That was a little weird when he told me, and the guy did have the Mason's emblem on the trunk of his car and a ring.
6/12/2011 11:49:13 PM
Utah GL also recognizes PH (just within the last few years). We have a few joint events with them every year. They are frequent visitors to many of our lodges. All of them I have met have seemed to be upstanding men.
I believe they get their charter from CO PH.
I believe they get their charter from CO PH.
6/12/2011 11:50:26 PM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
that generation is dying and those ideas are dying with them.
that generation is dying and those ideas are dying with them.
Not so.
6/12/2011 11:53:50 PM
Originally Posted By HELOBRAVO:
Not so.
Are you a Mason? I am.
I cannot sit in their lodge.
ETA:
As an above post stated, some of the PH lodges aren't even interested in coming together. Why would they?
They're doing their thing with their people.
I've been a MM for over 10 years and held several seats and NEVER have I heard anything negative about any race or specifically about PH said in my lodge either before, during or after a meeting.
We don't sit with them for the same reason we don't sit in lodges in some other country's. They aren't recodnized.
Why does it seem that so many (esp the people with no dog in the fight) want to force people together, be they groups or individuals ?
I guess I'm the devil for prefering it the way it is.
Originally Posted By Aurktman:
Prince Hall Masons. Just as legit as any other Mason.
Prince Hall Masons. Just as legit as any other Mason.
Not so.
Are you a Mason? I am.
I cannot sit in their lodge.
ETA:
As an above post stated, some of the PH lodges aren't even interested in coming together. Why would they?
They're doing their thing with their people.
I've been a MM for over 10 years and held several seats and NEVER have I heard anything negative about any race or specifically about PH said in my lodge either before, during or after a meeting.
We don't sit with them for the same reason we don't sit in lodges in some other country's. They aren't recodnized.
Why does it seem that so many (esp the people with no dog in the fight) want to force people together, be they groups or individuals ?
I guess I'm the devil for prefering it the way it is.
+1
6/13/2011 10:55:42 AM
Never mind wrong thread.
Nothing to see hear. Move along.
Nothing to see hear. Move along.
6/13/2011 2:11:29 PM
Originally Posted By HighLighter:
Not so.
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
that generation is dying and those ideas are dying with them.
that generation is dying and those ideas are dying with them.
Not so.
maybe where you are but here the ideas of the old guard in regards to racism get less and less every year. the AL GL actually approached the Al PH GL about recognition several years ago. they told us they didn't want it.
6/14/2011 7:31:21 PM
Check into Military Lodges, Not necessarily the PH. When I was in IA they were recognized as well by the GL. Met a real good one (PH) at Camp Shelby in MS. Military Lodge Masons were a reason I almost did NOT become a Mason.
6/14/2011 11:37:00 PM
Originally Posted By HELOBRAVO:
ETA:
Why does it seem that so many (esp the people with no dog in the fight) want to force people together, be they groups or individuals ?
Originally Posted By Aurktman:
Prince Hall Masons. Just as legit as any other Mason.
Prince Hall Masons. Just as legit as any other Mason.
ETA:
Why does it seem that so many (esp the people with no dog in the fight) want to force people together, be they groups or individuals ?
6/15/2011 11:50:17 PM
Originally Posted By Averagebear:
Originally Posted By HELOBRAVO:
ETA:
Why does it seem that so many (esp the people with no dog in the fight) want to force people together, be they groups or individuals ?
Originally Posted By Aurktman:
Prince Hall Masons. Just as legit as any other Mason.
Prince Hall Masons. Just as legit as any other Mason.
ETA:
Why does it seem that so many (esp the people with no dog in the fight) want to force people together, be they groups or individuals ?
Not sure why I am getting quoted in regards to that statement as I have never made a single comment regarding people being forced to be together, or whether the PH lodges should/shouldn't be recognized, etc. My only comment was regarding PH Masons and their legitimacy. They have regular lodge meetings, regular initiation, and similar procedures the AF&AM/F&AM. Personally, I believe that people should NOT be forced together, but also they should not be PROHIBITED from organizing together.
6/24/2011 9:04:51 PM
Hi guys, my grand father was a Mason, I was told he was pretty high up there. I do not know much about you guys, but I do have one question for you. Do you guys believe in the whole , "New world order", with the luminati and all? Im not trying to disrespect, just wondering
6/25/2011 7:50:06 AM
Originally Posted By Midknight:
Hi guys, my grand father was a Mason, I was told he was pretty high up there. I do not know much about you guys, but I do have one question for you. Do you guys believe in the whole , "New world order", with the luminati and all? Im not trying to disrespect, just wondering
Hi guys, my grand father was a Mason, I was told he was pretty high up there. I do not know much about you guys, but I do have one question for you. Do you guys believe in the whole , "New world order", with the luminati and all? Im not trying to disrespect, just wondering
Look here for all those kinds of questions. It's frustrating to Masons to be continually asked questions such as that. Also, elsewhere in this forum you can get some insight.
6/27/2011 5:13:09 PM
Thanks, and again I meant no disrespect
6/27/2011 5:39:53 PM
Originally Posted By Midknight:
Thanks, and again I meant no disrespect
Thanks, and again I meant no disrespect
I could see that, Midknight. It's just that there are a lot of questions like that that are difficult to answer because they are so removed from Masonry that it's difficult to even comment on. You can kind of see that by the lack of responses to your question. You might have heard something along those lines - Illumunati and all - from a friend who knows nothing about what Masonry is all about. Masonry, if you will read some of the other posts and answers here, is not a group of guys that believe a certain set of beliefs or dogma - we are pretty darn diverse and come from all walks of life. We join with other brothers in an effort to improve ourselves, its as simple as that.
7/10/2011 11:49:53 AM
There are a lot of 'black' masons around my base. There color does not bother me but what pisses me off is there behavior. They flash around the fact that they are masons, pass around their women, and are pretty much scumbag of men. I am not a mason but hold the fraternity close to my heart as both my grandfathers were 33rd degrees and reputable masons and shiners, as well as outstanding gentlemen.
7/10/2011 12:53:49 PM
Originally Posted By cecraw85:
There are a lot of 'black' masons around my base. There color does not bother me but what pisses me off is there behavior. They flash around the fact that they are masons, pass around their women, and are pretty much scumbag of men. I am not a mason but hold the fraternity close to my heart as both my grandfathers were 33rd degrees and reputable masons and shiners, as well as outstanding gentlemen.
There are a lot of 'black' masons around my base. There color does not bother me but what pisses me off is there behavior. They flash around the fact that they are masons, pass around their women, and are pretty much scumbag of men. I am not a mason but hold the fraternity close to my heart as both my grandfathers were 33rd degrees and reputable masons and shiners, as well as outstanding gentlemen.
If that is the case, I doubt very seriously that they are true Masons, that is, part of a legitimate chartered lodge. There seem to be more and more imitators who have adopted their perverted form of masonry as part of their own pop culture.
No true Mason would behave that way. Ask them what lodge they belong to.
7/10/2011 1:39:02 PM
i have come across 2 idiots here that had masonic sybols all over their cars, wore rings etc.... both rapper wanna be dirtbags. niether were masons. it was popularised by a couple of bigtime rapper douchbags so of course every ghetto rat started wearing the bling 
if you want to see them shit themselves confron them about it. they tend to beilive we really DO control everything and it makes them paranoid as hell.
if you want to see them shit themselves confron them about it. they tend to beilive we really DO control everything and it makes them paranoid as hell.
7/12/2011 12:19:24 AM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
i have come across 2 idiots here that had masonic sybols all over their cars, wore rings etc.... both rapper wanna be dirtbags. niether were masons. it was popularised by a couple of bigtime rapper douchbags so of course every ghetto rat started wearing the bling
if you want to see them shit themselves confron them about it. they tend to beilive we really DO control everything and it makes them paranoid as hell.
i have come across 2 idiots here that had masonic sybols all over their cars, wore rings etc.... both rapper wanna be dirtbags. niether were masons. it was popularised by a couple of bigtime rapper douchbags so of course every ghetto rat started wearing the bling
if you want to see them shit themselves confron them about it. they tend to beilive we really DO control everything and it makes them paranoid as hell.
I would love to confront a few of those types. As for controlling the world, I quit denying it years ago. You should see the look in the tin-foilers' eyes when I say, "Yep, pretty much.... we run the world."
7/12/2011 12:21:45 PM
Originally Posted By Aurktman:
I would love to confront a few of those types. As for controlling the world, I quit denying it years ago. You should see the look in the tin-foilers' eyes when I say, "Yep, pretty much.... we run the world."
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
i have come across 2 idiots here that had masonic sybols all over their cars, wore rings etc.... both rapper wanna be dirtbags. niether were masons. it was popularised by a couple of bigtime rapper douchbags so of course every ghetto rat started wearing the bling
if you want to see them shit themselves confron them about it. they tend to beilive we really DO control everything and it makes them paranoid as hell.
i have come across 2 idiots here that had masonic sybols all over their cars, wore rings etc.... both rapper wanna be dirtbags. niether were masons. it was popularised by a couple of bigtime rapper douchbags so of course every ghetto rat started wearing the bling
if you want to see them shit themselves confron them about it. they tend to beilive we really DO control everything and it makes them paranoid as hell.
I would love to confront a few of those types. As for controlling the world, I quit denying it years ago. You should see the look in the tin-foilers' eyes when I say, "Yep, pretty much.... we run the world."
...or maybe just invoke the penalty for violating the EA Mason's obligation? 
7/12/2011 1:09:33 PM
i am from alabama, we will get sued for using a "cable tow" here
7/14/2011 12:52:30 AM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
i am from alabama, we will get sued for using a "cable tow" here
i am from alabama, we will get sued for using a "cable tow" here
That right there..... that's hilarious!
7/15/2011 10:47:41 PM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
depends on your state.... but here we don't not ask or recuit. other states do.
the more i get involved with this the more i see "recruiting" and weekend classes for masonry to be a very bad idea. You can never look into a mans heart to tell if he is good or not. there is a reason becoming a MM should take time and there is a reason many states require an actual effort to achieve it. Every group is subject to getting a douchbag in the door. But generally making a man take the time to work for it gives us the oportunity to determine that before he goes to far.
Originally Posted By Papi4baby:
Not trying to start anything, and if this not appropriate please remove it or ask me and i will.
Like 5 years ago a person tried to recruit me to be one, just like the OP posted. I didn't get a good vibe from it and never did. A year after that, they guy was fired from his job for embezzlement of about 150,000 dollars.
That is all.
Not trying to start anything, and if this not appropriate please remove it or ask me and i will.
Like 5 years ago a person tried to recruit me to be one, just like the OP posted. I didn't get a good vibe from it and never did. A year after that, they guy was fired from his job for embezzlement of about 150,000 dollars.
That is all.
depends on your state.... but here we don't not ask or recuit. other states do.
the more i get involved with this the more i see "recruiting" and weekend classes for masonry to be a very bad idea. You can never look into a mans heart to tell if he is good or not. there is a reason becoming a MM should take time and there is a reason many states require an actual effort to achieve it. Every group is subject to getting a douchbag in the door. But generally making a man take the time to work for it gives us the oportunity to determine that before he goes to far.
Some things need to be earned!7/21/2011 9:15:15 PM
[quote the AL GL actually approached the Al PH GL about recognition several years ago. they told us they didn't want it.
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I have to ask if the AL GL had rejected MWPHGL of AL outreach numerous times in the past. If so, do you believe the MWPHGL of AL should have jumped at the offer of mutual recognition just because the mainstream lodge suddenly "felt like it"?
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I have to ask if the AL GL had rejected MWPHGL of AL outreach numerous times in the past. If so, do you believe the MWPHGL of AL should have jumped at the offer of mutual recognition just because the mainstream lodge suddenly "felt like it"?
7/21/2011 9:48:13 PM
from my research and what i was told... no it was never offered or asked for in the past. i was also told it was "technically" not appropriate as they would be considered a jr body and needed to ask for it from the sr body.
ie...AL GL was the first and oldest body. talking to a few people that were involved they more or less gave us the finger.
actually i wish they had gone along with recognition. i know several PH masons from work. all are good men i would be proud to call brother.
7/23/2011 11:01:17 PM
My Grandfather was Grand Lodge of Scotland, as was my family going back to the start of it. My Father was the first to be made in the U.S. from my direst family. As for Prince Hall, my father was close to many members as he was close to a Past Worship Master of NJ.
When I bacame a 32nd I was sitting next to a brother that was offended by several Black brothers in attendence, only they were Alpha lodge from Newark, NJ. Also where several friends of my father were from. A brother should be one looking past skin color to the color of a brother's soul
When I bacame a 32nd I was sitting next to a brother that was offended by several Black brothers in attendence, only they were Alpha lodge from Newark, NJ. Also where several friends of my father were from. A brother should be one looking past skin color to the color of a brother's soul
7/24/2011 6:37:55 PM
especially in the scottish rite of all places. what you had there was man that paid no attention to the degrees in either the blue lodge or the SR.
7/27/2011 10:11:36 PM
Ohio's Grand Lodge recognized PH a few years ago. We have some PH Masons who have come to some of our Inspections. Funny, I've never been invited to a PH Lodge
Wonder what's up with that.
Our District chartered several tour buses to go down to Columbus a couple of years ago I guess there were some problems with some of the PH Masons on the bus using vulgar language and watching some xxx movies. What upset the others was the fact that some of the wives were on the bus also. 
Wonder what's up with that.Our District chartered several tour buses to go down to Columbus a couple of years ago I guess there were some problems with some of the PH Masons on the bus using vulgar language and watching some xxx movies. What upset the others was the fact that some of the wives were on the bus also. 7/28/2011 8:32:35 AM
Originally Posted By mmsig229:
Ohio's Grand Lodge recognized PH a few years ago. We have some PH Masons who have come to some of our Inspections. Funny, I've never been invited to a PH Lodge Wonder what's up with that.Our District chartered several tour buses to go down to Columbus a couple of years ago I guess there were some problems with some of the PH Masons on the bus using vulgar language and watching some xxx movies. What upset the others was the fact that some of the wives were on the bus also.
Ohio's Grand Lodge recognized PH a few years ago. We have some PH Masons who have come to some of our Inspections. Funny, I've never been invited to a PH Lodge
Wonder what's up with that.Our District chartered several tour buses to go down to Columbus a couple of years ago I guess there were some problems with some of the PH Masons on the bus using vulgar language and watching some xxx movies. What upset the others was the fact that some of the wives were on the bus also. the prince halls guys i know here wouldn't have tolerated that.
7/28/2011 8:30:48 PM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
the prince halls guys i know here wouldn't have tolerated that.
Originally Posted By mmsig229:
Ohio's Grand Lodge recognized PH a few years ago. We have some PH Masons who have come to some of our Inspections. Funny, I've never been invited to a PH Lodge Wonder what's up with that.Our District chartered several tour buses to go down to Columbus a couple of years ago I guess there were some problems with some of the PH Masons on the bus using vulgar language and watching some xxx movies. What upset the others was the fact that some of the wives were on the bus also.
Ohio's Grand Lodge recognized PH a few years ago. We have some PH Masons who have come to some of our Inspections. Funny, I've never been invited to a PH Lodge
Wonder what's up with that.Our District chartered several tour buses to go down to Columbus a couple of years ago I guess there were some problems with some of the PH Masons on the bus using vulgar language and watching some xxx movies. What upset the others was the fact that some of the wives were on the bus also. the prince halls guys i know here wouldn't have tolerated that.
Me neither, I wasn't on the trip.
7/29/2011 4:36:30 PM
Same here the PH I know would never act like that....that is for the Grotto sub nite. I have been invited to some PH lodges, just never got around to it
8/25/2011 11:51:35 AM
I googled "Prince Hall Masons" and one of the first things I saw was a picture of website titled "Prince Hall Masons for Obama" and had the Obama '08 logo on it. I'm not a Mason, but I thought getting officially involved politics was against Masonic policy. Is this not the case?
8/25/2011 12:35:59 PM
we are supposed to be neutral so as not to bring disharmony into the lodge....but people are people
8/25/2011 12:53:01 PM
Originally Posted By path:
I'm not a Mason, but I thought getting officially involved politics was against Masonic policy. Is this not the case?
I'm not a Mason, but I thought getting officially involved politics was against Masonic policy. Is this not the case?
It would be difficult for 14 Freemasons to have become President is they weren't officially involved in politics.
Typically, we do not discuss politics while in lodge. We have other things to do. And it can lead to disharmony.
8/25/2011 1:01:42 PM
A Mason has be Free born man. Therefore the are not true Masons. Prince hall was started when white slave owners were teaching slaves serects of Masonry! This was told to me by a 33 degree Mason!
8/25/2011 2:28:43 PM
Originally Posted By blackhawktech:
A Mason has be Free born man. Therefore the are not true Masons. Prince hall was started when white slave owners were teaching slaves serects of Masonry! This was told to me by a 33 degree Mason!
A Mason has be Free born man. Therefore the are not true Masons. Prince hall was started when white slave owners were teaching slaves serects of Masonry! This was told to me by a 33 degree Mason!
incorrect. prince hall and the others that were raised with him WERE free men. white slave owners were not teaching slaves masonry
. why would they, they didn't teach them to read or write why would they bother with esoteric philosophy?