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Human Meds for pets
12/9/2011 12:58:11 PM
Well this is not about using Pet antibiotics or pet meds on me or any other humans.
In fact its the complete reverse. I want o know about using human meds on pets.
Im going to discuss this with the vet when we take "Zoe" in for her boosters and what ever else they want to do.
So far I have seen a lot of info on the net and im making a list for the vet to look over. What ever he does not cross off I'm going to stock for me pet first aid kit. ( Yes I will do an article.
My goal is to get a list of over the counter meds we can all use. this is my list so far. At this time I dont know if its safe, but the vet will let me know. I have another list with the dosages.
Buffered Aspirin- pain relife, anti-inflammatory
Vitamin B- appetite stimulant
Benadryl- treats allergies, itching etc.
Dramamine- reduces motion (car) sickness
Hydrogen Peroxide 3% - to induce vomiting
Epinephrine 1:1000- treat reactions
Pepto Bismol- for diarrhea, vomiting & anti-gas
Mineral Oil- eliminates constipation
Kaopectate- relieves diarrhea
Dextromethorphan/Guaifenesin (Robitussin DM)- coughing & expectorant
This list is just for internal medicine. For out side stuff I will treat it the same as me.
Any thing I should add to this list or question I need to ask the vet?
In fact its the complete reverse. I want o know about using human meds on pets.
Im going to discuss this with the vet when we take "Zoe" in for her boosters and what ever else they want to do.
So far I have seen a lot of info on the net and im making a list for the vet to look over. What ever he does not cross off I'm going to stock for me pet first aid kit. ( Yes I will do an article.
My goal is to get a list of over the counter meds we can all use. this is my list so far. At this time I dont know if its safe, but the vet will let me know. I have another list with the dosages.
Buffered Aspirin- pain relife, anti-inflammatory
Vitamin B- appetite stimulant
Benadryl- treats allergies, itching etc.
Dramamine- reduces motion (car) sickness
Hydrogen Peroxide 3% - to induce vomiting
Epinephrine 1:1000- treat reactions
Pepto Bismol- for diarrhea, vomiting & anti-gas
Mineral Oil- eliminates constipation
Kaopectate- relieves diarrhea
Dextromethorphan/Guaifenesin (Robitussin DM)- coughing & expectorant
This list is just for internal medicine. For out side stuff I will treat it the same as me.
Any thing I should add to this list or question I need to ask the vet?
12/10/2011 12:53:18 PM
The meds that vets prebscribe for animals that are also prescribed for people are the same thing usually.
Amoxicillin for instance is just that, Amoxicillin.
Just like keflex is keflex and atenolol is atenolol.
Where you do want to be carefuls is using people specific pills on animals and vice versa.
There are different NSAIDS for example used on animals that wouldn't normally be prescribed to human.
There are also other veterinary medicines that just aren't used in humans and vice versa.
I would let the vet make the desicion for your pet and your doctor decide for you.
Amoxicillin for instance is just that, Amoxicillin.
Just like keflex is keflex and atenolol is atenolol.
Where you do want to be carefuls is using people specific pills on animals and vice versa.
There are different NSAIDS for example used on animals that wouldn't normally be prescribed to human.
There are also other veterinary medicines that just aren't used in humans and vice versa.
I would let the vet make the desicion for your pet and your doctor decide for you.
12/10/2011 4:12:49 PM
I had a long talk with the vet today. and went over a list for my dog I will type it up and post it here for all.
12/10/2011 6:25:52 PM
Originally Posted By Thoth8:
Mineral Oil- eliminates constipation
Kaopectate- relieves diarrhea
Mineral Oil- eliminates constipation
Kaopectate- relieves diarrhea
So Kaopectate is Mineral Oi, but they reversed the polarity?
12/11/2011 9:12:24 AM
Add Hydrogen Peroxide to the list for dogs
you give it to them in small sips or spoon fulls until they throw up.. straight out of bottle or dilute a little.
needs to be administered in first 15 minutes or whatever they swallowed would have passed to lower digestive track.
Do NOT give in you think they ingested something that can hurt them on the way back up..like Needles or glas. TAKE IT TO THE VET .
And its a mess when they hurl..
12/11/2011 1:06:14 PM
Im still working on this but i had my vet look over this list i got of the internet.
and said not to use the Hydrogen Peroxide if it was something that can hurt coming back up like the poster above said. ther lost more i will have to finish typing it up.
Household Medications for pets
The following is a list of common household human medications that can be used on pets. These Medications can be especially useful if you can't reach a veterinarian.
The following is a list of common household human medications that can be used on pets. These Medications can be especially useful if you can't reach a veterinarian.
|
Product |
Common Usage |
Canine (dog) Dosage |
Feline (cat) Dosage |
|
Buffered Aspirin |
pain relief,
anti-inflammatory |
5 mg per lg. every 12
hours |
not recommended |
|
Vitamin B |
used as an appetite stimulant |
1/2 to 2ml
subcutaneously every 24 hours |
1/2 to 1ml
subcutaneously every 24 hours |
|
Benadryl |
treats allergies,
itching etc. |
1/2mg per lb. every 8
hours (max dose 2mg per lb.) |
same as canine dose |
|
Dramamine |
reduces motion (car)
sickness |
up to 50mg every 8 hours |
up to 10mg every 8 hours |
|
Hydrogen Peroxide 3% |
used to induce vomiting
after accidental ingestion of poison |
10ml by mouth every 15
minutes |
same as canine dose |
|
Epinephrine 1:1000 |
used to treat reactions
following medications, insect bites & stings |
1/10 to 1/2ml
intramuscular or subcutaneously |
1/10 to 2/10ml
intramuscular or subcutaneously |
|
Pepto Bismol |
for diarrhea, vomiting
& anti-gas |
1 tsp per 5 lbs every 6
hours |
not recommended |
|
Di Gel Liquid |
antacid and anti-gas |
up to 4 tbs every 8
hours |
up to 2 tbs every 8
hours |
|
Mineral Oil |
eliminates constipation |
up to 4 tbs daily |
up to 2 tbs daily |
|
Kaopectate |
relieves diarrhea |
1 ml per lb. every 2
hours |
same as canine dose |
Antibiotic Dosages for pets
The following is a list of common antibiotics prescribed by veterinarians. Recommended dosages and common usage's are included. Please follow the advice of your veterinarian when using antibiotics.
The following is a list of common antibiotics prescribed by veterinarians. Recommended dosages and common usage's are included. Please follow the advice of your veterinarian when using antibiotics.
|
Product |
Common Usage |
Canine (dog) Dosage |
Feline (cat) Dosage |
|
Amoxicillin |
used to fight bacterial
infection |
5 mg per lb. ev ery 12
hours |
5 mg per lb. daily |
|
Ampicillian |
used to fight bacterial
infection |
10 mg per lb. every 6
hours |
same as canine dose |
|
Tetracycline |
used to fight bacterial
infection |
10 mg per lb. every 8
hours |
same as canine dose |
|
PEN BP-48 |
used to fight bacterial
infection |
1 cc per 20lbs
subcutaneously every 48 hours |
not recommended |
|
Penicillian i300,000
units/mil |
used to fight bacterial
infection |
1 ml per 30 lbs.
subcutaneously |
same as canine dose |
NOT SAFE
(If a drug is NOT listed here, please do not assume it is safe to give to your dog, always consult your veterinarian first)
(If a drug is NOT listed here, please do not assume it is safe to give to your dog, always consult your veterinarian first)
Other common medicines and so called social "drugs" which definitely should not be given by owners to their pets are :
* Paracetamol
* Ibuprofen
* Acetaminophen (Tylenol)
* Alcohol of any kind
* Benzocaine
* The laxative phenolphthalein
* Iron supplements
* Vitamin D supplements
* Nebuliser medications prescribed for asthma
* Drugs used to control "fits" e.g. phenytoin (toxic in cats)
* Coffee and tea (due to the caffeine content)
* Cannabis or any other illegal drug.
All of the above have been documented to cause serious illness - and are potentially fatal . The message is - NEVER assume what is safe for you and your children is safe for your pet - the chances are it isn't.
12/11/2011 6:06:47 PM
Not all Antibiotics work for every pathogen.
There are gram negative, gram positive, broad spectrum etc. etc.
You need to know what kind of infection your are fighting before giving antibiotics.
There are gram negative, gram positive, broad spectrum etc. etc.
You need to know what kind of infection your are fighting before giving antibiotics.
12/13/2011 7:22:08 PM
There are some drugs approved for humans that although safe for dogs, aren't approved for veterinary use. I think that the DEA is afraid that the drugs like Oxycodone (that is an effective pain killer for humans) might be more likely to get onto the black market if it is allowed for veterinarians to prescribe for dogs. I was looking for something for my old dog, and found that Oxy isn't prescribed in the US for dogs, yet in Australia, vets find that it is very effective in controlling cancer, or post surgical pain for dogs.
I realize that you want over the counter meds, but as I just learned this information the other day, I thought that other people seeing your posting might find this information useful.
The sad part is that without better pain management for dogs, the alternative is usually euthanasia.
I realize that you want over the counter meds, but as I just learned this information the other day, I thought that other people seeing your posting might find this information useful.
The sad part is that without better pain management for dogs, the alternative is usually euthanasia.
12/13/2011 10:32:22 PM
Originally Posted By Genin:
The sad part is that without better pain management for dogs, the alternative is usually euthanasia.
The sad part is that without better pain management for dogs, the alternative is usually euthanasia.
Well... vets here will prescribe Tramadol at least, and I have heard of Lortab being used. They also give morphine injections and even epidural blocks.
there may very well be situations that I'm failing to think of, but If those aren't enough to handle your dog's pain... it might be a sign that not euthanizing could be an entirely selfish act.
12/14/2011 10:43:16 PM
Originally Posted By GlutealCleft:
Well... vets here will prescribe Tramadol at least, and I have heard of Lortab being used. They also give morphine injections and even epidural blocks.
there may very well be situations that I'm failing to think of, but If those aren't enough to handle your dog's pain... it might be a sign that not euthanizing could be an entirely selfish act.
Originally Posted By Genin:
The sad part is that without better pain management for dogs, the alternative is usually euthanasia.
The sad part is that without better pain management for dogs, the alternative is usually euthanasia.
Well... vets here will prescribe Tramadol at least, and I have heard of Lortab being used. They also give morphine injections and even epidural blocks.
there may very well be situations that I'm failing to think of, but If those aren't enough to handle your dog's pain... it might be a sign that not euthanizing could be an entirely selfish act.
My dog just went through several hip surgeries (Total hip replacement and subsequent complications, total of 4 open surgeries on the same hip so far)
She was prescribed Tramadol for post surgical pain.
She was also given morphine injections during her stay in the hospital.
On one occasion, she was given a fentanyl patch as well. However, one of the surgeons wasn't a fan of the patch due to poor skin content and inconsistent drug delivery and such.
The Tramadol was the same exact pills that my wife was prescribed for some back issues earlier this year. Her costs for the same pills were much less than the vets price.
We ended up (after verifying with our vet) just using what was left from her bottle rather than paying extra at the vets office.
12/15/2011 2:22:17 AM
My vet has told me that for a number of medicines, they simply go to a grocery store pharmacy and do a pharmacy-pharmacy transaction to get their meds. Evidently, many are cheaper for them to buy that way than to get through the vet suppliers.
12/15/2011 9:33:51 PM
I agree that not euthanizing an animal that is in intractable pain is selfish. For that very reason, I had a vet come to the house yesterday to relieve my dog of his pain by euthanizing him. Even though there would have been "blackmarket" ways of dealing with his pain, no dog is happy like that either.
Vets have medicine they can give a dog in clinics that they can't prescribe for home use was my point.. I find little more justification for keeping an animal in pain than I do for keeping a human in pain when there are things that can be done for it. I'm certainly not trying to make a case for euthanizing people, nor am I trying to make a case that animals that can't understand why they feel lousy from either pain or the pain medicine shouldn't or shouldn't be euthanized. I wouldn't let my dog suffer just because I was either selfish, cheap, or too cowardly to have him relieved of his pain. But that is me..everyone else has to make their own decision on what to do, or when to do it.
Vets have medicine they can give a dog in clinics that they can't prescribe for home use was my point.. I find little more justification for keeping an animal in pain than I do for keeping a human in pain when there are things that can be done for it. I'm certainly not trying to make a case for euthanizing people, nor am I trying to make a case that animals that can't understand why they feel lousy from either pain or the pain medicine shouldn't or shouldn't be euthanized. I wouldn't let my dog suffer just because I was either selfish, cheap, or too cowardly to have him relieved of his pain. But that is me..everyone else has to make their own decision on what to do, or when to do it.
12/16/2011 3:25:11 PM
Originally Posted By GlutealCleft:
My vet has told me that for a number of medicines, they simply go to a grocery store pharmacy and do a pharmacy-pharmacy transaction to get their meds. Evidently, many are cheaper for them to buy that way than to get through the vet suppliers.
My vet has told me that for a number of medicines, they simply go to a grocery store pharmacy and do a pharmacy-pharmacy transaction to get their meds. Evidently, many are cheaper for them to buy that way than to get through the vet suppliers.
If we're talking about Rx medicines here (as opposed to special animal foods and such), I have always been shocked at how inexpensive they are from the vet as compared to getting them from a human pharmacy with a human prescription. I wish I could buy all my human drugs at the vet.
