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Woman who walked into propellor released out and about.. lucky.
1/20/2012 4:47:48 PM
1/20/2012 5:12:49 PM
I agree with nthis comment that was posted:
It's the pilot's fault; he was being lazy. He was going to pick up some more passengers, after Lauren had disembarked, and he didn't want to waste time by shutting the engine down. He was in a rush, and this is the result. I used to work in aviation, and I have never heard of a pilot leaving the propeller going, as passengers are getting off. I'm sure the pilot feels terrible, but this was a very irresponsible action on his part.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088730/Lauren-Scruggs-accident-Model-appears-public-losing-hand-eye.html#ixzz1k2V4bOW3
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088730/Lauren-Scruggs-accident-Model-appears-public-losing-hand-eye.html#ixzz1k2V4bOW3
1/20/2012 5:18:12 PM
A reason (not an excuse) to not stop the engine is hot restarts can be a bitch.
I also hate the fact that people don't take responsibility for their actions, like walking into spinning loud things. You have to plan everything for the lowest common denominator it seems.
I also hate the fact that people don't take responsibility for their actions, like walking into spinning loud things. You have to plan everything for the lowest common denominator it seems.
1/20/2012 6:13:30 PM
Was there a preflight safety briefing to the passengers? Were they given instructions on where to walk, how to board/deplane, where NOT to walk? Were they given these same instructions of the PA/intercom prior to exiting the aircraft? What type of aircraft are we talking about here?
If it was a fat, ugly nobody that had walked into the propeller there wouldn't be anywhere near the sympathy for the "victim" and anywhere near the "stone casting" towards the pilot...just sayin'. Oh, but she's hot and had everything going for her.
If it was a fat, ugly nobody that had walked into the propeller there wouldn't be anywhere near the sympathy for the "victim" and anywhere near the "stone casting" towards the pilot...just sayin'. Oh, but she's hot and had everything going for her.
1/20/2012 6:20:34 PM
According to the NTSB preliminary, the pilot stopped her and told to exit to the rear of the A/C.
1/20/2012 7:15:37 PM
Originally Posted By jestertoo:
A reason (not an excuse) to not stop the engine is hot restarts can be a bitch.
A reason (not an excuse) to not stop the engine is hot restarts can be a bitch.
Warm/hot restarts on fuel-injected engines are why flight schools go through starters like fat chicks through a box of Oreos.
1/20/2012 8:39:26 PM
Originally Posted By JustinOK34:
Was there a preflight safety briefing to the passengers? Were they given instructions on where to walk, how to board/deplane, where NOT to walk? Were they given these same instructions of the PA/intercom prior to exiting the aircraft? What type of aircraft are we talking about here?
If it was a fat, ugly nobody that had walked into the propeller there wouldn't be anywhere near the sympathy for the "victim" and anywhere near the "stone casting" towards the pilot...just sayin'. Oh, but she's hot and had everything going for her.
Was there a preflight safety briefing to the passengers? Were they given instructions on where to walk, how to board/deplane, where NOT to walk? Were they given these same instructions of the PA/intercom prior to exiting the aircraft? What type of aircraft are we talking about here?
If it was a fat, ugly nobody that had walked into the propeller there wouldn't be anywhere near the sympathy for the "victim" and anywhere near the "stone casting" towards the pilot...just sayin'. Oh, but she's hot and had everything going for her.
Pitts 2 series... lots of wing to walk around to walk through to get into a prop.
1/20/2012 8:43:45 PM
Give me 10 minutes and I can teach anyone how to deal with hot starts. We were allowed 10 minutes to deplane pax, unload cargo, and replane.
The guy should have shut the plane down. A starter is not worth what it cost her.
The guy should have shut the plane down. A starter is not worth what it cost her.
1/20/2012 8:57:39 PM
Originally Posted By esa17:
Give me 10 minutes and I can teach anyone how to deal with hot starts. We were allowed 10 minutes to deplane pax, unload cargo, and replane.
The guy should have shut the plane down. A starter is not worth what it cost her.
Give me 10 minutes and I can teach anyone how to deal with hot starts. We were allowed 10 minutes to deplane pax, unload cargo, and replane.
The guy should have shut the plane down. A starter is not worth what it cost her.
It's retrospect.. or someone who has dealt in the past with pax. My uncle's Mooney with the old IO360 that does NOT hot start, no matter how good you are, let's talk.
Yes, no passenger is worth a starter.
Still, I hate blaming a pilot for an idiot walking into a propeller.
1/21/2012 11:09:05 AM
Originally Posted By jestertoo:
Pitts 2 series... lots of wing to walk around to walk through to get into a prop.
Originally Posted By JustinOK34:
Was there a preflight safety briefing to the passengers? Were they given instructions on where to walk, how to board/deplane, where NOT to walk? Were they given these same instructions of the PA/intercom prior to exiting the aircraft? What type of aircraft are we talking about here?
If it was a fat, ugly nobody that had walked into the propeller there wouldn't be anywhere near the sympathy for the "victim" and anywhere near the "stone casting" towards the pilot...just sayin'. Oh, but she's hot and had everything going for her.
Was there a preflight safety briefing to the passengers? Were they given instructions on where to walk, how to board/deplane, where NOT to walk? Were they given these same instructions of the PA/intercom prior to exiting the aircraft? What type of aircraft are we talking about here?
If it was a fat, ugly nobody that had walked into the propeller there wouldn't be anywhere near the sympathy for the "victim" and anywhere near the "stone casting" towards the pilot...just sayin'. Oh, but she's hot and had everything going for her.
Pitts 2 series... lots of wing to walk around to walk through to get into a prop.
This girl is the friend of a friend of my wife's. FWIW, I know it's a Pitt's in the picture for this article, but the plane she was getting out of was an A1C Husky. There was so much fail here it's not even funny. In hindsight, I'm sure the pilot wishes that he had shut down; but how in the hell can one be so dumb as to walk into a spinning propeller...
ETA: Link to another article which notes that it was a 2011 Aviat Husky.
1/21/2012 11:15:09 AM
Originally Posted By jestertoo:
A reason (not an excuse) to not stop the engine is hot restarts can be a bitch.
I also hate the fact that people don't take responsibility for their actions, like walking into spinning loud things. You have to plan everything for the lowest common denominator it seems.
A reason (not an excuse) to not stop the engine is hot restarts can be a bitch.
I also hate the fact that people don't take responsibility for their actions, like walking into spinning loud things. You have to plan everything for the lowest common denominator it seems.
You jave a point, those that say the pilot made a choice to leave the engine running also have a point.
I thought someone else posted that if the engine stays on, there is supposed to be a crew member keeping pasengers away from the prop.
1/21/2012 11:55:38 AM
Wait, people are actually blaming the pilot for this?
Really?
Its a propeller driven aircraft.....they spin......and cut shit. They are loud.
Really?
On this website of all places people are blaming the pilot? That's like blaming a gun for a murder or a spoon for diabetes.
Jeez.
Really?
Its a propeller driven aircraft.....they spin......and cut shit. They are loud.
Really?
On this website of all places people are blaming the pilot? That's like blaming a gun for a murder or a spoon for diabetes.
Jeez.
1/21/2012 2:46:01 PM
Originally Posted By jestertoo:
It's retrospect.. or someone who has dealt in the past with pax. My uncle's Mooney with the old IO360 that does NOT hot start, no matter how good you are, let's talk.
It's retrospect.. or someone who has dealt in the past with pax. My uncle's Mooney with the old IO360 that does NOT hot start, no matter how good you are, let's talk.
Yeah, I'd like to know the trick too. The IO360 powered airplanes I've flown are absolutely horrible to start hot. IO540s are MUCH easier to start hot. IOF-240-Bs are hard to start unless it's exactly 72 degrees out. :-) And of course, anything with a carb is a piece of cake to start no matter what the temperature is. Sometimes "progress" is really not so good...
1/21/2012 2:48:24 PM
Originally Posted By CFII:
On this website of all places people are blaming the pilot? That's like blaming a gun for a murder or a spoon for diabetes.
On this website of all places people are blaming the pilot? That's like blaming a gun for a murder or a spoon for diabetes.
No, not really. I see the comments as more along the lines of saying that perhaps a Glock + Serpa is not as wise as some other choice for inexperienced people. Nothing wrong with them in and of themselves, but they do raise the overall risk. Deplaning with the prop spinning is certainly less tolerant of error than deplaning with the engine off and mags safe...
1/21/2012 3:14:19 PM
Originally Posted By CFII:
Wait, people are actually blaming the pilot for this?
Really?
Its a propeller driven aircraft.....they spin......and cut shit. They are loud.
Really?
On this website of all places people are blaming the pilot? That's like blaming a gun for a murder or a spoon for diabetes.
Jeez.
Wait, people are actually blaming the pilot for this?
Really?
Its a propeller driven aircraft.....they spin......and cut shit. They are loud.
Really?
On this website of all places people are blaming the pilot? That's like blaming a gun for a murder or a spoon for diabetes.
Jeez.
I'm not blaming him for that accident. It's a pretty dumbass move to walk into the prop but it's happened before. Much like the four rules of firearms are important to teach to a beginner the more experienced pilot should have removed that variable by shutting off the engine.
1/21/2012 3:47:14 PM
Originally Posted By esa17:
I'm not blaming him for that accident. It's a pretty dumbass move to walk into the prop but it's happened before. Much like the four rules of firearms are important to teach to a beginner the more experienced pilot should have removed that variable by shutting off the engine.
Originally Posted By CFII:
Wait, people are actually blaming the pilot for this?
Really?
Its a propeller driven aircraft.....they spin......and cut shit. They are loud.
Really?
On this website of all places people are blaming the pilot? That's like blaming a gun for a murder or a spoon for diabetes.
Jeez.
Wait, people are actually blaming the pilot for this?
Really?
Its a propeller driven aircraft.....they spin......and cut shit. They are loud.
Really?
On this website of all places people are blaming the pilot? That's like blaming a gun for a murder or a spoon for diabetes.
Jeez.
I'm not blaming him for that accident. It's a pretty dumbass move to walk into the prop but it's happened before. Much like the four rules of firearms are important to teach to a beginner the more experienced pilot should have removed that variable by shutting off the engine.
Wouldacouldashoulda.
I feel deeply for the young woman. However, in 8 years, I've seen and read reports of passengers doing weird shit. You cannot adequately prepare for every eventuality.
1/23/2012 9:28:42 PM
PIC should have shut down the engine if there wasn't someone experienced right there to lead the sheep away from the loud, spinning thing.
Regardless of that, I read this afternoon that the prop only contacted/severed her hand, and it was the power of that strike that drove her face first into the ground breaking several bones and dislodging her left eye.
That's a fucking smack.
Regardless of that, I read this afternoon that the prop only contacted/severed her hand, and it was the power of that strike that drove her face first into the ground breaking several bones and dislodging her left eye.
That's a fucking smack.
1/23/2012 10:08:53 PM
Originally Posted By Another_Dude:
PIC should have shut down the engine if there wasn't someone experienced right there to lead the sheep away from the loud, spinning thing.
Regardless of that, I read this afternoon that the prop only contacted/severed her hand, and it was the power of that strike that drove her face first into the ground breaking several bones and dislodging her left eye.
That's a fucking smack.
PIC should have shut down the engine if there wasn't someone experienced right there to lead the sheep away from the loud, spinning thing.
Regardless of that, I read this afternoon that the prop only contacted/severed her hand, and it was the power of that strike that drove her face first into the ground breaking several bones and dislodging her left eye.
That's a fucking smack.
It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out where not to walk...
1/23/2012 10:14:40 PM
Originally Posted By JustinOK34:
It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out where not to walk...
Originally Posted By Another_Dude:
PIC should have shut down the engine if there wasn't someone experienced right there to lead the sheep away from the loud, spinning thing.
Regardless of that, I read this afternoon that the prop only contacted/severed her hand, and it was the power of that strike that drove her face first into the ground breaking several bones and dislodging her left eye.
That's a fucking smack.
PIC should have shut down the engine if there wasn't someone experienced right there to lead the sheep away from the loud, spinning thing.
Regardless of that, I read this afternoon that the prop only contacted/severed her hand, and it was the power of that strike that drove her face first into the ground breaking several bones and dislodging her left eye.
That's a fucking smack.
It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out where not to walk...
You're right, but someone that didn't high five a spinning prop is going to lose his ass on this deal.
1/24/2012 1:10:40 PM
Originally Posted By esa17:
Give me 10 minutes and I can teach anyone how to deal with hot starts. We were allowed 10 minutes to deplane pax, unload cargo, and replane.
The guy should have shut the plane down. A starter is not worth what it cost her.
Give me 10 minutes and I can teach anyone how to deal with hot starts. We were allowed 10 minutes to deplane pax, unload cargo, and replane.
The guy should have shut the plane down. A starter is not worth what it cost her.
I used to do sight seeing flights at a local air show. 5 min flights. We would kill the engine and coast in to deplane. The boss knew the possibilities ofna prop striking a person and even if it cost a starter due to 50 starts in a day, it was worh it.
The average person will not have the skills not to walk into an invisable prop.
Even as a mechanic,mwhen i adjusted carbs with the engine on, i kept saying to myself "watch the prop, walk aft".
How many car guys have lost fingers due to unshrouded flex fans?
1/24/2012 1:14:06 PM
Originally Posted By JustinOK34:
It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out where not to walk...
Originally Posted By Another_Dude:
PIC should have shut down the engine if there wasn't someone experienced right there to lead the sheep away from the loud, spinning thing.
Regardless of that, I read this afternoon that the prop only contacted/severed her hand, and it was the power of that strike that drove her face first into the ground breaking several bones and dislodging her left eye.
That's a fucking smack.
PIC should have shut down the engine if there wasn't someone experienced right there to lead the sheep away from the loud, spinning thing.
Regardless of that, I read this afternoon that the prop only contacted/severed her hand, and it was the power of that strike that drove her face first into the ground breaking several bones and dislodging her left eye.
That's a fucking smack.
It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out where not to walk...
But they don't see it and don't even think of it. Its human nature. I know one guy that almost had the same thing happen, he released the brakes and knocked the person over as he drove away preventing the strike.
The plane got 20 feet forward and the pilot stopped the plane, the person was IRATE until they saw the prop stop. Then it sank in. That was a really quick thinking pilot.
1/24/2012 1:31:46 PM
I've heard it happens all the time with helicopter tailrotors.
1/24/2012 1:42:36 PM
In for pics of the model's dented head.
1/24/2012 1:50:34 PM
Originally Posted By BlueMR2:
And of course, anything with a carb is a piece of cake to start no matter what the temperature is. Sometimes "progress" is really not so good...
And of course, anything with a carb is a piece of cake to start no matter what the temperature is. Sometimes "progress" is really not so good...
Mechanical fuel injection =/= progress.
To relate, imagine if the only automotive alternative to carburetion was Hillborn mechanical fuel injection.
