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 The Road We've Traveled'...Where has the Obama administration really taken us?
KSODA  [Member]
3/20/2012 3:44:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcVH_nLIhwk&feature=youtu.be
resteva  [Member]
3/20/2012 5:35:32 PM
Are we there yet?
ZombiePatriot  [Member]
3/20/2012 5:50:42 PM
Just close your eyes and count to 58,000,000,000,000 and we'll be there. Maybe. Or not.
Cubieman  [Member]
3/21/2012 6:56:50 PM
Shit is fucked up. And shit was fucked up when he got in. I didn't vote for him, but I am willing to let him try something different, things are getting better. The pres can't do much when the GOP won't pass anything he wants more or less. All I know is helping the rich and cutting regulations hasn't helped and I don't think it will in the future. Why not try something else? And only four years after the recession isn't much time, especially without house majority on his side currently. I think it has been shown in the last 15 years that cuttings regs and lowering taxes on the RICH just servers to get the rich richer. It would be one thing if corporate America wasn't so fucking greedy and actually gave a fuck about anything but their bottom line. But what else would they do? If I was rich or a CEO etc. I wouldn't want more taxes/regs. I just think we need a shift in the way we do things. We CANNOT continue to do things the way we do and expect anything to change. The trickling down hasn't happened and in my opinion I don't think ever will in our current society. The middle class needs to grow, think of all the great periods of this country where the middle class prospered. But it just seems politicians are so far in bed with the rich/corporations that they simply don't give a shit about the middle class. They are not part of it, and doing anything to tax the rich more would be political suicide. Also, my problems with the GOP right now (save Paul) is that they are running on the idea of spending less and less government in your life. In MY view they are doing the opposite. Yes the national debt is going up, it's been going up for a while now. But I don't see the numbers on any Republican administration in the recent past (Reagan on) that shows how they have spent any less? In fact our last pres knocked the dept up quite a bit, and that quite an understatement to say the least. Also, the idea that the GOP wants a smaller, less intrusive government hasn't been shown to me. Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, War on Drugs (I am just arguing pot on this one, which is most likely over 50%+ cost wise of that war), warrant-less wire taps, and now this whole thing in some states how women need to gets the ultrasound pre-abortion. Lets face it, the abortion thing is a dyed in wool religious issue. WHICH IS FINE! However, don't put YOUR views onto OTHER people. I'm done, please if I am wrong correct me. This is just what I have been noticing about a party I once held in high regard, but I am now seeing as getting high jacked by fanatics and not offering anything but the same stale politics that have NOT worked.
resteva  [Member]
3/21/2012 8:16:15 PM
Originally Posted By Cubieman:
Shit is fucked up. And shit was fucked up when he got in. I didn't vote for him, but I am willing to let him try something different, things are getting better. The pres can't do much when the GOP won't pass anything he wants more or less. All I know is helping the rich and cutting regulations hasn't helped and I don't think it will in the future. Why not try something else? And only four years after the recession isn't much time, especially without house majority on his side currently. I think it has been shown in the last 15 years that cuttings regs and lowering taxes on the RICH just servers to get the rich richer. It would be one thing if corporate America wasn't so fucking greedy and actually gave a fuck about anything but their bottom line. But what else would they do? If I was rich or a CEO etc. I wouldn't want more taxes/regs. I just think we need a shift in the way we do things. We CANNOT continue to do things the way we do and expect anything to change. The trickling down hasn't happened and in my opinion I don't think ever will in our current society. The middle class needs to grow, think of all the great periods of this country where the middle class prospered. But it just seems politicians are so far in bed with the rich/corporations that they simply don't give a shit about the middle class. They are not part of it, and doing anything to tax the rich more would be political suicide. Also, my problems with the GOP right now (save Paul) is that they are running on the idea of spending less and less government in your life. In MY view they are doing the opposite. Yes the national debt is going up, it's been going up for a while now. But I don't see the numbers on any Republican administration in the recent past (Reagan on) that shows how they have spent any less? In fact our last pres knocked the dept up quite a bit, and that quite an understatement to say the least. Also, the idea that the GOP wants a smaller, less intrusive government hasn't been shown to me. Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, War on Drugs (I am just arguing pot on this one, which is most likely over 50%+ cost wise of that war), warrant-less wire taps, and now this whole thing in some states how women need to gets the ultrasound pre-abortion. Lets face it, the abortion thing is a dyed in wool religious issue. WHICH IS FINE! However, don't put YOUR views onto OTHER people. I'm done, please if I am wrong correct me. This is just what I have been noticing about a party I once held in high regard, but I am now seeing as getting high jacked by fanatics and not offering anything but the same stale politics that have NOT worked.



ZombiePatriot  [Member]
3/21/2012 9:42:12 PM
Your on the road. Keep driving. I dare say not one ruler in our history has been more in bed with big business than the current. Follow the money trail and all is revealed. Almost all members of our one party pretending to be two are in bed with money or trying to be. "Throw them all out" was a peek into this. Those that seek a position to help others generally only help themselves.

Question everything. Both parties are corrupt. Read,read and read some more. I don't know how old you are but its never to late to learn. I encourage everyone to read about eugenics. It's a good start. Pages of the enlightenment are good if you don't commit suicide after or during reading them.
resteva  [Member]
3/22/2012 10:28:58 AM
Sanger=eugenics=planned parenthood

ZombiePatriot  [Member]
3/22/2012 12:34:28 PM
Resteva you just gave me hope for the future. Most of the time people think eugenics is a reading program for toddlers.
GGGBeo50  [Member]
3/24/2012 9:30:43 PM
Originally Posted By Cubieman:
Shit is fucked up. And shit was fucked up when he got in. I didn't vote for him, but I am willing to let him try something different, things are getting better. The pres can't do much when the GOP won't pass anything he wants more or less. All I know is helping the rich and cutting regulations hasn't helped and I don't think it will in the future. Why not try something else? And only four years after the recession isn't much time, especially without house majority on his side currently. I think it has been shown in the last 15 years that cuttings regs and lowering taxes on the RICH just servers to get the rich richer. It would be one thing if corporate America wasn't so fucking greedy and actually gave a fuck about anything but their bottom line. But what else would they do? If I was rich or a CEO etc. I wouldn't want more taxes/regs. I just think we need a shift in the way we do things. We CANNOT continue to do things the way we do and expect anything to change. The trickling down hasn't happened and in my opinion I don't think ever will in our current society. The middle class needs to grow, think of all the great periods of this country where the middle class prospered. But it just seems politicians are so far in bed with the rich/corporations that they simply don't give a shit about the middle class. They are not part of it, and doing anything to tax the rich more would be political suicide. Also, my problems with the GOP right now (save Paul) is that they are running on the idea of spending less and less government in your life. In MY view they are doing the opposite. Yes the national debt is going up, it's been going up for a while now. But I don't see the numbers on any Republican administration in the recent past (Reagan on) that shows how they have spent any less? In fact our last pres knocked the dept up quite a bit, and that quite an understatement to say the least. Also, the idea that the GOP wants a smaller, less intrusive government hasn't been shown to me. Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, War on Drugs (I am just arguing pot on this one, which is most likely over 50%+ cost wise of that war), warrant-less wire taps, and now this whole thing in some states how women need to gets the ultrasound pre-abortion. Lets face it, the abortion thing is a dyed in wool religious issue. WHICH IS FINE! However, don't put YOUR views onto OTHER people. I'm done, please if I am wrong correct me. This is just what I have been noticing about a party I once held in high regard, but I am now seeing as getting high jacked by fanatics and not offering anything but the same stale politics that have NOT worked.

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Cubieman  [Member]
3/28/2012 6:19:33 PM
prove me wrong if you can. I am pissed off that so many people DON'T KNOW SHIT about how fucked up the republican party has become in the last decade. Just keep watching Fox news (I watch it for a good laugh). You do know that people who watch Fox news have been shown to not know very basic things that are FACTS on very basic topics. Not saying people here are watching that, but I know most probably do. And yes, MSNBC is liberal, I agree. I am just so sick of how fucking dumb some republican party members are that I have been talking with lately. Think the earth is 5,000 some years old and don't understand basic shit.

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resteva  [Member]
3/28/2012 6:28:19 PM
Originally Posted By Cubieman:
prove me wrong if you can. I am pissed off that so many people DON'T KNOW SHIT about how fucked up the republican party has become in the last decade. Just keep watching Fox news (I watch it for a good laugh). You do know that people who watch Fox news have been shown to not know very basic things that are FACTS on very basic topics. Not saying people here are watching that, but I know most probably do. And yes, MSNBC is liberal, I agree. I am just so sick of how fucking dumb some republican party members are that I have been talking with lately. Think the earth is 5,000 some years old and don't understand basic shit.


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ZombiePatriot  [Member]
3/28/2012 10:05:43 PM
Republicans, democrats, who cares. Only proof I need to prove they are one and the same is the choices that we have to vote for currently. Does anyone think mccain had a real chance of winning? Is Romney clearly the best, most conservative man willing and able to run against o? It's been a flip flop of "parties" for years. They say stuff that some agree with in order to get elected. They pass what they can to benefit who they can while they can. Then when the masses want change they get another guy saying what currently suites their mentality. They get in pass what they can to benefit who they can while they can. Repeat, repeat, repeat.


Why not question who is getting the benefits? Those that finance these candidates usually end up making some fairly successful business transactions after their man gets elected. A few of the big donors give money to both parties. And they in turn are to big to fail.

SG1  [Member]
3/29/2012 4:10:50 AM
the road we have traveled has taking us from the the edge of oblivion,to over said edge.
safe1  [Moderator]
3/29/2012 10:27:50 AM
Hey guys and gals, feel free to disagree with ideas but leave the personal attacks out. Snide comments are for GD, not here.
resteva  [Member]
3/29/2012 11:19:30 AM
Originally Posted By resteva:
Originally Posted By Cubieman:
prove me wrong if you can. I am pissed off that so many people DON'T KNOW SHIT about how fucked up the republican party has become in the last decade. Just keep watching Fox news (I watch it for a good laugh). You do know that people who watch Fox news have been shown to not know very basic things that are FACTS on very basic topics. Not saying people here are watching that, but I know most probably do. And yes, MSNBC is liberal, I agree. I am just so sick of how fucking dumb some republican party members are that I have been talking with lately. Think the earth is 5,000 some years old and don't understand basic shit.


Inappropriate comments, this is a Tech forum not General Discussion. Safe1


Apology extended.
NorCal_LEO  [Site Staff]
3/29/2012 11:45:34 AM
Originally Posted By SG1:
the road we have traveled has taking us from the the edge of oblivion,to over said edge.


You seem ... familiar.

Cubieman  [Member]
3/29/2012 8:47:16 PM
Me too, sorry man. I have had some pretty heated political arguments as of late. I don't like when I get all pissed off like that. I apologize for that, peace.
lockinload  [Member]
3/30/2012 12:54:44 PM
Shit is fucked up. And shit was fucked up when he got in. I didn't vote for him, but I am willing to let him try something different, things are getting better. The pres can't do much when the GOP won't pass anything he wants more or less. All I know is helping the rich and cutting regulations hasn't helped and I don't think it will in the future. Why not try something else? And only four years after the recession isn't much time, especially without house majority on his side currently. I think it has been shown in the last 15 years that cuttings regs and lowering taxes on the RICH just servers to get the rich richer. It would be one thing if corporate America wasn't so fucking greedy and actually gave a fuck about anything but their bottom line. But what else would they do? If I was rich or a CEO etc. I wouldn't want more taxes/regs. I just think we need a shift in the way we do things. We CANNOT continue to do things the way we do and expect anything to change. The trickling down hasn't happened and in my opinion I don't think ever will in our current society. The middle class needs to grow, think of all the great periods of this country where the middle class prospered. But it just seems politicians are so far in bed with the rich/corporations that they simply don't give a shit about the middle class. They are not part of it, and doing anything to tax the rich more would be political suicide. Also, my problems with the GOP right now (save Paul) is that they are running on the idea of spending less and less government in your life. In MY view they are doing the opposite. Yes the national debt is going up, it's been going up for a while now. But I don't see the numbers on any Republican administration in the recent past (Reagan on) that shows how they have spent any less? In fact our last pres knocked the dept up quite a bit, and that quite an understatement to say the least. Also, the idea that the GOP wants a smaller, less intrusive government hasn't been shown to me. Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, War on Drugs (I am just arguing pot on this one, which is most likely over 50%+ cost wise of that war), warrant-less wire taps, and now this whole thing in some states how women need to gets the ultrasound pre-abortion. Lets face it, the abortion thing is a dyed in wool religious issue. WHICH IS FINE! However, don't put YOUR views onto OTHER people. I'm done, please if I am wrong correct me. This is just what I have been noticing about a party I once held in high regard, but I am now seeing as getting high jacked by fanatics and not offering anything but the same stale politics that have NOT worked.


First off, the President had a super majority for two years so don't say he can't pass anything because of the Republicans. Obama care barely passed with that super majority and it had to be bought. Get off the class warfare gig, you have bought into the Obama "divide and conquer". He is simply the worst leader I have ever seen. He has not united but divided. Under his administration, we increased our debt by 6 trillion, lost our AAA credit rating, lost jobs, seen energy prices sky rocket ( as promised by Obama), seen our space program depleted, our military is about to get gutted, food prices through the roof and you wan to give this guy another 4 years? This country will be third world and or run by a dictator within a few years if this crap continues. It is simple economics. It blows my mind to hear people like you make the case for this guy. Our problem is a big,fat over paid Federal Government. Regardless of whether it is a D or an R driving this machine it is out of control and unless it is reigned in we will die as a nation. So I ask you this question, who wants a bigger Federal government more, the Dems or the Repubs? I will vote for the lesser of the two evils.
StogerMan  [Team Member]
3/30/2012 3:02:22 PM
Originally Posted By lockinload:
Shit is fucked up. And shit was fucked up when he got in. I didn't vote for him, but I am willing to let him try something different, things are getting better. The pres can't do much when the GOP won't pass anything he wants more or less. All I know is helping the rich and cutting regulations hasn't helped and I don't think it will in the future. Why not try something else? And only four years after the recession isn't much time, especially without house majority on his side currently. I think it has been shown in the last 15 years that cuttings regs and lowering taxes on the RICH just servers to get the rich richer. It would be one thing if corporate America wasn't so fucking greedy and actually gave a fuck about anything but their bottom line. But what else would they do? If I was rich or a CEO etc. I wouldn't want more taxes/regs. I just think we need a shift in the way we do things. We CANNOT continue to do things the way we do and expect anything to change. The trickling down hasn't happened and in my opinion I don't think ever will in our current society. The middle class needs to grow, think of all the great periods of this country where the middle class prospered. But it just seems politicians are so far in bed with the rich/corporations that they simply don't give a shit about the middle class. They are not part of it, and doing anything to tax the rich more would be political suicide. Also, my problems with the GOP right now (save Paul) is that they are running on the idea of spending less and less government in your life. In MY view they are doing the opposite. Yes the national debt is going up, it's been going up for a while now. But I don't see the numbers on any Republican administration in the recent past (Reagan on) that shows how they have spent any less? In fact our last pres knocked the dept up quite a bit, and that quite an understatement to say the least. Also, the idea that the GOP wants a smaller, less intrusive government hasn't been shown to me. Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, War on Drugs (I am just arguing pot on this one, which is most likely over 50%+ cost wise of that war), warrant-less wire taps, and now this whole thing in some states how women need to gets the ultrasound pre-abortion. Lets face it, the abortion thing is a dyed in wool religious issue. WHICH IS FINE! However, don't put YOUR views onto OTHER people. I'm done, please if I am wrong correct me. This is just what I have been noticing about a party I once held in high regard, but I am now seeing as getting high jacked by fanatics and not offering anything but the same stale politics that have NOT worked.


First off, the President had a super majority for two years so don't say he can't pass anything because of the Republicans. Obama care barely passed with that super majority and it had to be bought. Get off the class warfare gig, you have bought into the Obama "divide and conquer". He is simply the worst leader I have ever seen. He has not united but divided. Under his administration, we increased our debt by 6 trillion, lost our AAA credit rating, lost jobs, seen energy prices sky rocket ( as promised by Obama), seen our space program depleted, our military is about to get gutted, food prices through the roof and you wan to give this guy another 4 years? This country will be third world and or run by a dictator within a few years if this crap continues. It is simple economics. It blows my mind to hear people like you make the case for this guy. Our problem is a big,fat over paid Federal Government. Regardless of whether it is a D or an R driving this machine it is out of control and unless it is reigned in we will die as a nation. So I ask you this question, who wants a bigger Federal government more, the Dems or the Repubs? I will vote for the lesser of the two evils.


There you go using logic and truth. Not fair !
Cubieman  [Member]
3/30/2012 9:52:52 PM
Let's not forget who got us into this mess. I am of the opinion that its only been four years. You think if McCain was president everything would be just fine and dandy right now? Bush started two wars and in my mind giving tax cuts to the rich and playing into the same old trickle down "economics" that rich fucks just love set us up for these issues. The market collapse was in 2008, its 2012, that only four years. I really don't think the GOP would be doing much better. I'll grant you that isn't fact of course, it's only what I think. I just really have a problem with the way republicans (as of late) look at the economy. They don't do anything for you and me, they just help out rich fucks and corporations by cuttings regulations. Now, if this worked, fine, but it clearly doesn't. When people say "it's been four years, when is it finally going to be Obama's economic issues, Obama's fault?!" I Challenge that the repercussions of the last administration were so bad, and so far reaching that yes it's been four years, however i am not the least bit surprised things are still bad. What, in your minds should Obama be doing differently? I don't mean that in a shitty way either, I am just curious. I don't know everything about him and may be wrong on all fronts. However, I just contend that the Bush administration was so bad and messed things up beyond four years. I just don't see what Romney is going to do that will help anything. Keep tax cuts for the rich? Help mega corporations? Maybe in a less greedy economy things would "trickle down", but not here in America presently. Greedy fucks stay greedy, they don't give two shits about anything but bottom dollar for the most part. I just was so mad about Bush, and his 8 years, for SO many reasons and unfortunately it soured me on republican politics for better or worse. And why do we (the majority of people) pay MORE taxes than really rich people? Shouldn't it at LEAST be even? Why didn't Bush lower taxes for the middle class? Now THAT might just help.

ETA: I do agree, regardless of R or D, we do need a major shift in the way we do things as a country. Because things just aren't working out. Obama may not be the man, I'll give you that for sure. R or D I just want something better to happen and I just don't feel like Romney etc. have the middle class in mind when they legislate.
ZombiePatriot  [Member]
3/30/2012 10:59:15 PM
Cubie you really need to watch zeitgeist. Just for perspective. You could do with checking out Peter Schiff. Read the creature from jekyll island. "Give me control of a nation's money supply and I care not who makes its laws" is good quote to look up.

Our problems started way before Bush. They started way before Kennedy. Our current position took a lot of years and a lot of greed for money and power. To blame the worlds problems on any one man makes no sense. To blame a hand full makes no sense. Greed comes in all shapes and sizes. This is why our founders saw fit to have limited controlled government. We have a monster in dc and it took more than a couple of days to grow it. Having a centralized disconnected government makes us vulnerable to all kinds of problems. When you get the most greedy people in a country and lump them together no good can come from it.