If you like Gingrich or Romney you need to see this!!!

Newt Gingrich is in the pockets of the highest bidder, and guess what, its not the American people! He cannot be trusted!

http://youtu.be/CWKTOCP45zY

Mitt Romney will do whatever it takes to get elected, he changes his stance on everything depending on what is trending with the American voters. He is the ultimate flip-flopper. He truely represents corporate America, yet he tries to smooth talk that he is a Conservative candidate? You have got to be kidding me.

http://youtu.be/K9njHHyRI7g

I do not know how anyone who is a member of this forum, in their right mind, could support either of these candidates. Please do not be fooled by these government puppets, I would really appreciate it if when my six month old son grows up he could have the same freedoms you and I enjoy. Thank you.

Let me guess, is this a backdoor Ron Paul thread?

Yes, look at the YouTube user name.

No, it is an up front Ron Paul thread!!! How can anyone truthfully believe either of these guys?

How can anyone believe a person who has George Soros people working for him.

You were better with your Made in China pump shotgun and NC-Star scopes, pretending to be a firearm enthusiast, but you are a Paulist, coming here to spread your One True Faith.

This is Conservative, middle-America, working mans friend, Mitt Romney's top contributors to his 2012 campaign so far. Hmmmm...


Goldman Sachs $367,200
Credit Suisse Group $203,750
Morgan Stanley $199,800
HIG Capital $186,500
Barclays $157,750
Kirkland & Ellis $132,100
Bank of America $126,500
PriceWaterhouseCoopers $118,250
EMC Corp $117,300
JPMorgan Chase & Co $112,250
The Villages $97,500
Vivint Inc $80,750
Marriott International $79,837
Sullivan & Cromwell $79,250
Bain Capital $74,500
UBS AG $73,750
Wells Fargo $61,500
Blackstone Group $59,800
Citigroup Inc $57,050
Bain & Co $52,500

What is your problem with George Soros, his pro human rights views or his highly followed economic stand points?

And what does me owning a Pardner shotgun or putting a NcStar scope on my AR have to do with anything? I am so deeply sorry its not a Bennelli or a Leopold. I guess you have to own the best to be a firearm enthusiast? Sorry I didn't get the memo.

All of these companies have a multitude of emplyees.

So, you don't like employers?

The problem with Soros is he likes to play fucking games with the lives of millions of people by destroying their nations economy. He admits to it on camera and actually laughs at it and calls it a fun game. One of those countries was an ally, Japan. That's whats wrong.

Um, what?

The issue isn't that the companies exist. The issue is that if you don't want a candidate who feels like they owe something to corporations, you should follow the monetary trail that gets them into power. Would you agree that public policy is often shaped largely by special interests that do not run parallel to the best interests of the people?

[arfcombullshitconservativevoice]But people work for those corporations, so whatever is in the best interest of those corporations is in the best interest of those who work for them.[/arfcombullshitconservativevoice]

These are contributions made by the companies, not individual employes. When I donate to a candidate, it is a donation from ME not from my employer.
When you have lobbyists like Ron Kaufman running your campaign, you get many big corporate sponsorships. So if he gets elected guess where duty is owed? Not the American voters.

Heading into the South Carolina primary, Santa Rita super PAC had created seven ads that appear on its YouTube channel. According to FEC records the PAC spent $317,500 producing ads and buying time on 14 channels for a promised 11-day ad blitz before Palmetto State voters head to the polls Saturday.

The president and treasurer of Santa Rita PAC is a Donald Huffines, the co-owner of Huffines Communities, a Texas-based real estate development company. Though the PAC is being run out of the same Dallas office suite as Huffines Communities, it is not registered as a corporate PAC and the Donald Huffines said the two entities only affiliation is shared office space.

In an interview with the Sunlight Foundation, Donald Huffines said the PAC is, "open for business for large donors that believe in freedom, common sense, and liberty."

Huffines' support of conservative causes has included donations to: Ron Paul, his son, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and the Republican party of Texas.

The super PAC says it takes its name from one of the nation's largest oil wells.. Before the saints started blessing super PACs and wells, Santa Rita was the patron saint of impossible cases, a fact that could be apropos, should Paul defy the odds to become his party's nominee and win the presidency.

There are more. They all take corporate money.

Top Contributors

This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2012 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

Because of contribution limits, organizations that bundle together many individual contributions are often among the top donors to presidential candidates. These contributions can come from the organization's members or employees (and their families). The organization may support one candidate, or hedge its bets by supporting multiple candidates. Groups with national networks of donors - like EMILY's List and Club for Growth - make for particularly big bundlers.
US Army $24,503
US Air Force $23,335
US Navy $17,432
Mason Capital Management $14,000
Microsoft Corp $13,398
Boeing Co $10,620
Google Inc $10,390
Overland Sheepskin $10,350
IBM Corp $8,294
US Government $7,756
DUNN Capital Management $7,500
Corriente Advisors $7,500
Greenstreet Co $7,500
Northrop Grumman $7,272
Lockheed Martin $7,208
Intel Corp $6,855
US Dept of Defense $6,524
United Technologies $6,316
Federal Express Corp $6,255
Entergy Corp $5,950

I will give it to you that he gets less, but he does get it. He gets less not because he doesn't take it, but because most corporations don't see him as a worthwhile investment as he hasn't been a serious frontrunner. If that were to change, the amount of corporate donations would as well. Not too many people bet on one of the slower horses in the race.

That you can state Soros is pro human rights, with a straight face, belies your lack of understanding of the Republic.

Soros, and his business enterprises, have made a boat load of money, but why is this important, unless you believe in the lust for money, mankind be dammed.



It is not that owning an H&R is bad. The Pardner Pump is a great value. Nc-Star is another matter.

I have seen far too many people come onto the site, 2004, 2008, 2010, and now, post a few badly worded threads about firearms to show they know about the shoulder thingy that goes up, then go into whichever candidate they believe will take them, and us, to the Happy Wonderland at the end of History.

Gee, ya think?

Why don't people realize our gov't is full of elected officials bought and paid for by those that have the money to buy them?
It doesn't matter if it's Romney or Obama. They are all puppets with their strings pulled by whoever writes them checks.

In the mid 80's you could buy new full auto. No CHL back then and now it's very common. We had and expired an AWB since then...

These are just gun examples but it is a gun board. The more I think about it Rick Perry could be right. Perhaps congress should be part time.

Perhaps if more people did they could vote for someone else... The problem is we have created a system where it's so expensive to run politicians have to have the corporate hand up their ass to even run.

I don't think there have been any good Republican candidates this time around. I had hopes for some but all have been disappointing. Not one good candidate? Sure there have been some that are worse but this is like Mother Russia. Here are your choices folks (all shitheads). Now pick the best person for the job. Whoopee.

Can you make a list of the issues that Ron Paul has changed his mind on?

Can you now make a list of the issues that Mitt Romney/Newt Gingrich has changed his mind on?

Which one shows the ability to be manipulated? And would you argue that is irrelevant?

And what does me owning a Pardner shotgun or putting a NcStar scope on my AR have to do with anything? I am so deeply sorry its not a Bennelli or a Leopold. I guess you have to own the best to be a firearm enthusiast? Sorry I didn't get the memo.[/quote]
It is not that owning an H&R is bad. The Pardner Pump is a great value. Nc-Star is another matter.

I have seen far too many people come onto the site, 2004, 2008, 2010, and now, post a few badly worded threads about firearms to show they know about the shoulder thingy that goes up, then go into whichever candidate they believe will take them, and us, to the Happy Wonderland at the end of History.
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I am sorry if I don't meet or exceed your standards, I don't spend all the time I have on this site. I recently built my first AR with the help of this site. I browse the EE from time to time and look in on certain sections that interest me. I do not post on the Reloading section because I am not interested in nor do I part take in it. I am interested in our countries political direction so I choose to check in on and post here. If this is not how this internet forum thing is supposed to work, well I guess I'm sorry. There are plenty of other threads on here that are anti Paul. Thats what is so nice about freedom... enjoy it while it lasts I guess.

And you need to take it easy with your manufacturer favorites. I'm not going to get in an argument with you about whos is bigger. I wish I had a Trijicon sitting on top of my rifle, but I can't afford one. If you would like to send one my way to make yourself feel better, please be my guest. I have many NcStar scopes and they suite me fine for what I use them for.

Thank you for understanding my original point! These videos are not actors portraying these candidates... this is the real deal.

The only issue Ron Paul has changed his stance on in his over 30 years in politics is on the death penalty.

He is polling in the top three consistently since his announcing running for office. Now it is down to Paul, Gingrich, and Romney as the top three. Seems kinda serious to me. The reason he is not backed by corporations isn't because of his frontrunner status, it is because he cannot be bought. That simple. If Gingrich or Romney win the nomination and go on to win the Presidency, they will owe a mountain of favors to their banker buddies that backed them. Paul would love for US Bank or Goldman Sachs to fund his campaign, but he has the moral integrity to not owe them any favors. This is why they will not fund him.

It is a shame that we as Americans have come to see this corporate funding of these manipulative puppets as the norm. It was not always like this. If you can sit there and say "well thats just the way it is" then you don't deserve or respect the freedom that was endowed to us by the founders of this country.

Why has Ron Paul remained in the top three then if he hasn't received major corporate funding? Because of his grassroots support. Its funny how enthusiastic Paul supporters are called Paulists. Never heard such things for other candidates. Where are Romneys diehard fans? Paul must be saying something right to get so many people to follow and believe in him while constantly being oppressed by every media outlet and news cast. Why has Ron Paul consistently raised more money from the active duty military than all other candidates, including Obama?

Ron Paul is a man of constitutional integrity and shows a beacon of true hope for this country.

Dude, you have drunk that Messiah Kool-Aid rather deeply. You have not done your Due Diligence on Paul.

Oh, Paul is not in the top three in SC or FL. He is just as relevant as Santourm is.

You are interested in politics, but not educated. If you wanted to be surrounded with people who have a man crush for Ron Paul, you should have not posted to a site that is, at best, luke warm to ambivalent to Rep. Paul's campaign.

What does having a Trijicon have to do with a poo-poo product like NCStar? There are an awful lot of value lined products that do not cost a lot, NcStar is not one of them. Define your needs, then nice to have, then can do without. If you need help, there are TONS of real knowledgeable people on ARFcom that can assist you/point you on your way.

In the general election, I'm voting for the guy most likely to beat Obama.

PERIOD.


It could be Satan Himself and if he's running against Obama, I'd still be glad to vote for him.


OBAMA MUST GO. THAT IS THE ONLY GOAL.


In the primaries, vote your conscience and don't think ANY likely candidate is without major flaws, but they all have the virtue of NOT being Obama.

But when it comes to the general election, vote for the Republican nominee no matter how bad it tastes or we are all assuredly going to have to
suffer through another four years under the KENYAN VILLAGE IDIOT BASTARD.



Get your fucking priorities in order. NOW.



CJ

This is tired rhetoric. "Anybody but Obama" sounded good to me a year ago*, but hearing Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum talk about wanting to start 3 or 4 more wars has left me REALLY scratching my head. I'll pose a simple question:

Which would be less damaging to the US: two acts of legislation as horrid as Obamacare or another 4 wars?

We could have the discussion about supreme court justices being appointed and all that, it's all valid. However, the country as a WHOLE is not ready to say "anybody but Obama". This is a nomination we need to get right.

*this post is not me saying I'm going to vote for Obama. I absolutely won't. This post is just a lifelong Republican's mindset at this point in the race.

The original intent of this post was to bring to the table a little knowledge about Romney and Gingrich's records. Not push Paul down everyones throats. If you can debunk the vids, please I'de love to see it. I am not telling anyone to vote for Paul, just to know who you are voting for. I myself will not vote for someone just because my corrupt party backs them to end Obama's reign. I will vote on principle and character, for what I beleive is best for my country, no matter what party, religion, race, sex or other. Tell me how these vids are false... please.

You act as if this is news to everyone that Romney never gave much thought to anything political until 1992 or so and that in the last 20 years he has said many things that were either: 1) Wrong; 2) Anti-Individual; 3) Anti-Freedom; 4) Just plain bone headed.

You act as if this is news to everyone that Gingrich does not act like an 8 year old when people make fun of him, or when people do not acknowledge that he his the smartest person in the any room he enters.

Tell me why the video's are important?

By the Super Tuesday Republican's will have, at most, two choices.

1) Mitt Romney

Pick one of the following.
2a) Newt Gingrich
2b) Ron Paul
2c) Rick Santorum

What is wrong with Soros??? This is inflamatory in the most lenient of interpretations. He is a Kapo traitor of the worst kind. He has made a career out of supporting anti gun causes and made billions on the suffering of mankind. If he does anything benevolent it is for the pure selfish reason that he prays for less than10,000 millenia in limbo before the lord kicks him back to earth as a garbage sorter.

I will be watching this thread and it is teetering on a lock now.

Oh and Red, I have an NCstar 2-7x scout scope on my sporterized mosin. It has held up and held zero. I have no idea why and no expectation that it would. It met two criteria, variable power and cheap.

Key word: cheap.

I'm glad it is working for you, but I would rather buy once and cry once, then be nickle and dimed to death with cheap (not value priced) items.

No 1" PEM or PE mount?

Too expensive for a $50 rifle that shots 1.5 moa

There's nobody RIGHT left running in this race. So when there's no right, you at least try to get rid of what's WRONG, and that's Obama.


RP's best qualities are his understanding of the Constitution. But he has many faults.

Romney is not very right-leaning. Seems a bit leftist, to me, actually.

Gingrich is the guy I'd vote for in the primaries. But he's definitely part of the power elite, so to speak.


We need someone to vote for who's in nobody's pocket and really understands what this country is about, from the perspective of the many of us who
are proud to work and proud of our work and proud of our family history, a family of people who were proud and happy to work for.



CJ

Point taken.

Enough with the Soros bs. In no way is RP tied to Soros. RP does not get "connected" to anyone. I didn't even want to get into this whole Soros mess and obviosly no one got my sarcasm on the matter. Point is, I will not take something Glenn Beck starts spouting off as gospel truth and Santorum feels the need to work into a debate as evidence. You have to understand Ron Paul was willing to work with Barney Frank on cuts to military spending. Frank went on to create the "Sustainable Defense Task Force". The premise is that because RP was willing to work with Frank on cutting spending, that somehow he is also linked to this "Sustainable Defense Task Force" Here is an article which attributes the entire thing to Frank. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/23/the-barney-commission-def_n_550066.html Ron Paul in favor of creating more bureaucracy? Yah, ok sure, whatever. Also his critics have condemned him because Jim Rogers endorsed Ron Paul. Jim Rogers is connected to Soros through the Quantum fund. Therefore Ron Paul is a flaming communist. Makes sense to me. About as much sense as saying Paul wants to destroy our second amendment rights in respecting the 10th amendment. To be clear this is not worth arguing over, it is false and therefore irrelavent.

I disagree.

Beck was quoting other sources as well as a 2010 story. Santourm was factual in his barb.

I do not have to understand a thing. Paul did not have to work with Frank on a thing. He ran over there because they needed a willing accomplice to give cover to their "Task Force" and to be considered relevant.

The fact that Paul did not raise any objections, or walk away from the Task Force when he found out just how Progressive and Anti-American the advisers were/are means that he either agree with the thrust of their argument (vis-a-vie the MIC and need to get away from a Bush 43 Forever War mentality), or that he agreed with their points, that America is cause of World misery and suffering, that America needs to "be brought down to size", that "America has to apologize for its actions and be punished for its transgressions".

You really need to read up on some of these organizations and find out just how well funded, disciplined, and committed to the destruction of The American Experiment they are.

The fact that Paul allowed himself to be associated with these people should give you pause.

I see where you are coming from, but tell me this... If this "guilty by association" accusation has any bit of credibility, why has no one in the corporate media picked it up and run wild with it? They are chomping at the bit to dig up any little negative thing they can on Paul. Do you really think that every little thing Beck says is absolute truth? Beck has to stretch the truth and manipulate stories to keep listeners tuned in. This is basic media propaganda. Santorum tried bringing it up in the debate, and nobody even cared or looked into it further. This should show that this is an illegitament and truthless accusation. Did you see how the media tried to smear RP because a supposed fan made an anti Huntsman video on youtube, trying to discrace his Manderin connections and children? They were running wild with it, until it was proven to be a smear video made by an anti Paul, other candidate connection. They immediatly stopped talking about it, and now the RP campaign is in the process of legal action against its creator. You cannot deny the media is out against him, so why is this not all over their radar?

Barney Frank signed on for the audit of the Fed bill with Ron Paul. Does that also mean that Barney Frank is secretly a constitutional capitalist member of the tea party, or that he thinks the US government needs to shrink considerably in size and needs to apologize for its actions domestically?

These things aren't as cut and dry as you or Glenn Beck would like them to be.

I said that Paul is tainted by his comes dealings with Democratic Socialists, Progressives, Fabian Socialists, and flat out Communists and this is your idea of a response.

Look at the Federal Budget as see where most of the money is going to. It is not the DoD. Revamping/reforming the DoD is one thing, and needs to be done. Most of the World is not Denmark, or Norway. I wish it were so, but it is not.

Rep. Paul is not going to win the Republican Primary and become their nominee to run for President of The United States. What you think does not matter. What I think does not matter. What the OP thinks does not matter.

What is your plan B?

I'm saying the connections you just tried to make are as ridiculous as the one I made above. And I would say that the people who consider Ron Paul to be "tainted" by those connections aren't seeing the whole picture. If you want to prove me wrong, show me the LEGISLATION he voted for that was hypocritical, don't try to pretend that some person who knows another person who sponsored a bill that Ron Paul voted for is ____ and therefore Ron Paul is ____.

As for my "plan B", I don't see a clear one at this time. My current focus is in getting Ron Paul the nomination. It's not an easy thing to do. A lot of things are stacked up against us. But there are a lot of things going FOR us, as well.

I refuse to consider alternatives until he has dropped out of the race.

The fact that we as Americans can say that "well the odds are against this or that candidate so there is no sense voting for them" is outrageous and a kick in the balls to this great nation. Believe me when I say, I want Obama out just as much as anyone else here. I will refuse to settle for another corporate, off the assembly line, corrupt candidate. This is why RP is the only GOP candidate that will truely beat Obama. He pulls democratic support away from Obama, while at the same time, taking the country back to the conservative edge of the Republican party. The idea of "well Romney is better than Obama so I'll go with him" is mind boggling to me. (Please feel free to substitute Gingrich in Romneys place as well). If he is just as corrupt as the rest, then why support him/them? Do you really expect something different?

To say well all the choices suck so fuck it is a cowards way out in my opinion. Do something about it.

x-figure donor

So far this cycle Islam has contributed more than $100,000 to Obama and other Democrats for 2012 campaigns. Among them: $35,800 to the Obama Victory Fund, the joint committee between the Democratic National Committee and the Obama campaign and the primary war chest for the President's re-election effort; $30,800 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which works to elect Democrats to the House, and $9,200 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, which does the same for the Senate, records show.

The Center for Public Integrity found bundlers serving on more than two dozen different commissions from the ever-popular Kennedy Center board to advisory panels that have significant clout. The White House press office typically refers to such appointments as "key administration posts."

Chicago investor Penny Pritzker, an early Obama financial organizer and bundler, serves on the Kennedy Center board as well as the President's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. That panel was formed by Obama in January to help advise him on how to get the economy back on track. Two other bundlers serve on the jobs council with her.

In all, Pritzker has bundled between $100,000 and $200,000 for 2012, according to campaign records. During the 2008 campaign, when she served as Obama's national finance chair, she was credited with raising more than $200,000.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-center-for-public-integrity/obama-rainmakers-enjoy-wh_b_1215548.html

VA votes on Super Tuesday, almost 7 weeks away. Are you volunteering and driving around your, and other, counties spreading the Word of Paul? There is not much data for the Commonwealth because it is so far off.

Can you counter Mittens and Newt, with their Super Pacs?

Paul and Santorum are running neck and neck for 3rd in SC. Santorum is a solid 3rd in FL, though this can change.

Just how many 3rd, or 4th, place finishes will put Paul in the lead?

National Politics is a Bloodsport. I do not see the Paul organization putting forth a credible campaign.

In response to your first question, yes I am.

The Romney and Gingrich campaigns don't even have a presence here, yet. Of course, Romney is the only other one on our ballot.

To the rest, as I have said, it's an uphill battle. But I have to keep fighting it, and I have to keep thinking there's a chance. If I think there's not a chance for this message now, I lose hope in the country for now. If I think there's not a chance for this message EVER, I MIGHT lose hope for this country forever.

Ron Paul is lucky enough to have started the movement, and I feel like it will continue through people like his son, and myself. I've been involved with the local volunteer campaign organization since last September, roughly. And we've had a few people show up here and there. After the strong New Hampshire finish, we had 7 people show up to our next meeting. Had 3 more show up last night. Tonight I'm going to the Republican Committee meeting. Going to a gun show this weekend to set up a Ron Paul table. I drive to work every morning and see the few signs I've put up stomped into the ground day after day. Etc, etc.

The thing I hear the most is: "I love Ron Paul, but he can't win" or "I love Ron Paul, but his foreign policy is crazy". The people who say "he can't win" are slowly dropping, because the evidence points to the possibility that he's the ONLY Republican that could beat Obama in a general election. And the people who call his foreign policy crazy SOMETIMES have valid points, but usually don't understand his stance on a "Rattlesnake" foreign policy.

*sorry for all the edits if you responded to this. I kept thinking of more things I wanted to add.

Well at least there is one thing we agree on... he will be further more know as Mittens to me as well.

That would imply he has a mind, a matter open to some question.

'I do not like the federal reserve, so lets let Congress control the money supply.' is about as stupid an odea as has ever been put forward.

We set up a system to REMOVE the money supply fromn Congressional meddling, and it has now been subverted.

Turn n the presses.
We can print our way out of anything.

Did you purchase all his 'news letters' only to find out he denies knowing anything about what is in them?

Well I'm glad you came with your claws out. I was starting to think I wasn't on ARfcom.

His position isn't to let Congress control the money supply. He wants the MARKETS to control the "money" supply. Even though he wants to abolish the Fed, he knows and has stated several times that it can't be done immediately. Initially, he wants to legalize competition in currency, and let the people choose what has value to them. Congress's job would entail maintaining the standards for weights and measure to be the law against counterfeiting, and the federal government would be the agents for prosecuting any fraud in this regard. As it stands now, the federal reserve has license to counterfeit with Congress's backing.

I'm glad you bring up the newsletter issue. Would you point me to a single thing that he has said in his 30 years of interviews where he has had any racial tones to them? Go ahead. Any slip of the tongue to imply racist tones. You've got 30 years of interviews, public speeches, any written text with any kind of "by" line, etc. Can't find anything? Weird. It's almost like he didn't write them.

For anybody that knows the man, they know the newsletter issue is a crock of shit that people try to use against him. Your insinuation is that Ron Paul wrote them. He didn't. Your next assertion would be that he KNEW about the specific racial portions of them at the time that they were published. He didn't. Your next charge would be that he knew about the letters and denies it now. He doesn't deny it. He says he found out about the racial letters 10 years after them being published. Maybe next you'll say that this is an example of what makes him unfit to be president, because he couldn't handle a newsletter. That might be a fair assertion. I don't agree, but it at least has a valid point.

Ever seen the statement on any piece of published media, say Fox News, that says "anything contained in this is not the opinion of Fox News". Do you wonder why that might be? Because the PUBLISHERS are unable to moderate every piece of information published. That is supposed to be the job of the EDITOR to filter out good and bad information. Ron Paul was supposedly the PUBLISHER of 3 or 4 newsletters while running his medical practice, sometimes an author, not an EDITOR. Irrelevant? You'll probably say so, because you have other motives for hating Ron Paul.

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