Best Politican/ Military Leader ever?

Who is the best and why?
Sorry for the Polling couldnt fit everyone one damn 10 slots

Augustus Caesar for the old days, Winston Churchill for modern times.

Both helped their respective empires.

George Washington isn't on the same page as any of those.

Teddy Roosevelt should be in the mix also.

George Washington FTW!!!

George Washington by far the best of the group. If you have read any of the history on him in detail you would understand why.
Ronald Reagan in modern times because his uncompromising policies in dealing with the Soviet Union that included the Strategic Defense Initiative were key in the collapse of the Warsaw Pact.
Winston Churchill would be a close third but some of the latter decisions about Eastern Europe allowed for the communist takeover and created the cold war.

Slim.

Or Washington.

Washington was offered to be King and turned it down.
That speaks volumes to me about him.

Patton.

Because only a pimp in a cheap New Orleans whore house would carry a pearl handled pistol.

I voted for Patton.

Only because Washington is head and shoulders above the rest, and I voted for 2nd place.

Patton was a man with a narrow purpose.

He could not have served at a higher level.

Trajan.

Andrew Jackson

+1

No Teddy Roosevelt?????????



GW FTW anyway. But TR right after him, possibly.

The author of the Constitution of the United States of America.... whom you don't have as a choice in your poll.

Of the choices listed, the obvious answer is Washington.

There would absolutely never have been a United States of America, but for George Washington.

Washington...really...

"“I Like George Washington Except on Foreign Policy”

Ron Paul’s philosophy is that of the Founding Fathers. For Paul, the Constitution is the law of the land, not a mere rhetorical tool. For Paul, maintaining limited government means “eternal vigilance,” to borrow Thomas Jefferson’s phrase, against political leaders’ tendency to empower themselves at the expense of the people. One of the ways government has historically empowered itself is through constant war.

Like the Founding Fathers, Ron Paul believes in a strong national defense. Also like the Founders, Paul fears adopting an irrational offense. Our first President George Washington expressed this fear on September 17, 1796 when he delivered his farewell address. Washington said America should:

Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all… In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave…

The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives…

The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim…

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop…

Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel…

It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world… to warn against the mischiefs of foreign intrigue, to guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism…

How much of what Washington had to tell the American people sounds like Ron Paul today? Was Washington a pacifist? Hardly. An “isolationist?” Not at all.

A lot has changed since the 18th and 19th centuries and not everything the Founders’ envisioned for America is possible in the modern world. But their insight into the nature of man, the wickedness of political leaders and the centralizing tendency of government still holds true today. That we live in the modern world does not discount the genius of the U.S. Constitution. Neither does it discount the timeless wisdom of the men who wrote it.

There is no question that a nation like Iran is run by wicked men. The problem is, there also aren’t any questions about whether or not our typical response to such nations do us more harm than good. In the lead up to the Iraq War, not enough people asked such questions. Many American now regret this. Lessons not learned, many of our political leaders continue to stoke fear concerning any failure to act abroad. But we should be just as fearful that we might overreact. In fact, observing history, overreacting should be our greatest fear.

This was certainly a primary fear of the Founders, and Washington was right about the inherent dangers to liberty posed by permanent entanglements or alliances.

Agreeing with George Washington, Ron Paul is right to worry about those dangers too."

Nobody reads your bullshit Ron Paul posts, dude.

This thread isn't about Ron Paul.

Get a fucking life.

Tell you something else, SWATH ...

You disgrace the memories of the men whose names are listed here by bringing up that sack of shit's name on the same page.

Shame on you. Seriously.

I agree, I recently read Rick Atkinson's An Army at Dawn and The Day of Battle he does a good job of pointing out Patton's short comings.

Dude all you do is show up cursing at and insulting and denigrating people without any substantive argument. Why? Maybe because you got nothing but hate and you know it. Maybe Ron Paul threatens you by pointing out your philosophical hypocrisy. Maybe he plays with your emotions, I don't know, but I don't recall the last intelligent thing you've said here or posted information for others to ponder. You personal attacks should go to the GD.

Here you go I'll repost for effect minus the obvious parallels with Ron Paul so you can calm down.

"Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all… In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave…

The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives…

The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim…

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop…

Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel…

It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world… to warn against the mischiefs of foreign intrigue, to guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism…"

-George Washington, farewell address 1796

Because you piss me off, Swath, that's why. It's not Ron Paul ... it's you.

Every single thread you open, you just HAVE to inject Ron Paul into somehow. Do you even realize that? EVERY FUCKING THREAD. People can't have a conversation around here without YOU popping up, and dragging Ron Paul out of your ass.

And now you compare that shitstain to the father of our country??

Like I said, shame on you.

Where is Napoleon?

Julius Caesar?

Genghis Khan?

Alexander the Great?

First of all you must have me confused with someone else as I only post Ron Paul stuff in Ron Paul threads unless there is some relevant topic such as pointing out how the same people who idolize George Washington also fail to recognize that the foreign policy he espoused most closely parallels the very same candidate who is also vilified by them.

Second if you don't like what I post about Ron Paul or anything for that matter and it annoys you then you are welcome to NOT FUCKING READ IT. For fuck's sake is it so hard to grasp, and you can save your shame for when you drag your ass to the voting booth and pull the lever for Romney.

Oh, trust me sweetheart, I don't.

This is one of the most hypocritical posts I've seen on ARfcom.

Hannibal

So you call the only true conservative/patriot/ champion of the constitution a sack of a shit? Let me guess, you like Mitt "four more years of the same recycled bullshit politics and erosion of freedoms" Romney?

Stop listening to douchebags like Mark Levin and Bill Oreilly, read a book or 2, and then form an opinion on who's out there fighting for YOUR liberty. There is only one buddy, and it's RON PAUL. Wake the fuck up

Let me ask you, who else would you compare to the father of our country? Romney? Gingrich? Obama? Hahahahaha. I don't think people realize how important this election is. So I don't blame SwAth for injecting a true patriots name into every conversation that he could. The media is bought and paid for and they are afraid of the truths that ROn Paul speak. He will shake up the establishment and all the shady back room bullshit quicker than you could type your next brainwashed response .

Sorry for getting so pissed, I just can't take it anymore.

I'm gonna go with Aragorn.

He kicked the Dark Lord's ass (something that needs doing again here), despite being heavily outnumbered, and after the war of the ring was over, he ruled for a peaceable 120 years afterward, and never once found it necessary to bail out merchants or make any laws against the personal ownership of weapons of any kind....nor did he feel compelled to make a government organization to grope travelers prior to mounting their horses for a journey, or mandate a waiting period before purchasing a sword. As for healthcare, well he just healed folks himself and taught others the skills to do so as well (kinda sounds like a current candidate in that respect ).

Aragorn / Eomer 2012.

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