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 Occupy Wall Street, The Lefts first attempt to start European type riots.
JRCmx  [Member]
10/2/2011 12:37:11 PM
This is the first overt attempt to start the riots here.
When a cop puts the cuffs on too tight and when the lefty media cover it, they will try to insight support for the occupation and to start protests in other cities.
The left know they are losing this election and control.
They are sore winners and even worse losers.
This will be an attempt to rock the boat and the only one that can stop it will be Obama and the left.
There already was a call to skip the 2012 elections from a Democratic Gov. ( NC. I think ) .
Is this a slip of their plan to make things so terrible here we will have to settle on what we have, so the people in power can "fix it" ?
OR to bring the hammer down on all when it happens ?
The one thing that the "activists" do not understand is the hammer will land in their rights and liberties as well.
We all need to pay very close attention to what is going on here.

AND MUST REMAIN MORE DISCIPLINED THAN THE OTHER SIDE IS.
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Vulcan94  [Team Member]
10/2/2011 12:45:36 PM
That Gov. is from NC. Gov. Bev Perdue.


I will be so glad when she is put in the unemployment line.


Vulcan94
JRCmx  [Member]
10/2/2011 1:15:06 PM
Originally Posted By Vulcan94:
That Gov. is from NC. Gov. Bev Perdue.


I will be so glad when she is put in the unemployment line.


Vulcan94


Thanks

Facepuncher  [Member]
10/3/2011 11:16:14 AM
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.
dixiedawg  [Team Member]
10/5/2011 7:17:57 AM
I'm starting to think Syrian crowd-control methods may have merit after all.
Facepuncher  [Member]
10/5/2011 10:15:12 AM
Originally Posted By dixiedawg:
I'm starting to think Syrian crowd-control methods may have merit after all.


Really? You would support shooting crowds of unarmed American protesters for exercising their first amendment right?
Kapture1  [Team Member]
10/5/2011 11:06:50 AM
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.


What has Bush done to help the situation? Obama?

Looking at those who are protesting, their message is quite simple to me. I don't have _______, and those that do own me.

Quit your bitching and go to work. No job, claim you can't find one? Than make one. Use the energy you are using to protest and come up with an idea or invention. WHERE DID THIS ENTITLEMENT MANTALITY COME FROM, this is America for Christ sake. The is the nation that was built off of hard work.

You say I should be able to relate to their message, well I will tell you, I can't relate to it. I have worked hard for everything in my life. Life is not fair and I learned that a long time ago.

God forbid a company turn a profit.
Facepuncher  [Member]
10/5/2011 12:08:29 PM
Originally Posted By Kapture1:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.


What has Bush done to help the situation? Obama?

Looking at those who are protesting, their message is quite simple to me. I don't have _______, and those that do own me.

Quit your bitching and go to work. No job, claim you can't find one? Than make one. Use the energy you are using to protest and come up with an idea or invention. WHERE DID THIS ENTITLEMENT MANTALITY COME FROM, this is America for Christ sake. The is the nation that was built off of hard work.

You say I should be able to relate to their message, well I will tell you, I can't relate to it. I have worked hard for everything in my life. Life is not fair and I learned that a long time ago.

God forbid a company turn a profit.



Actually we probably agree on a lot of issues.

I'm just saying that I understand where the protester's frustration is coming from. We just saw our economy collapse due almost entirely to reckless and greedy behavior on the part of our financial sector, and not only are there no consequences for it, but many of these very same people are literally running our government now when they should be in prison instead.

No matter where you are on the political spectrum you should be angered by this. That's what I see in these protests; not some socialist effort (although those people are trying to co-opt this movement). I don't see anybody begging for a handout. I see American citizens demanding that Wall Street executives be held to the same laws that everybody else is. Nobody should be above the law no matter how wealthy they are.

I've worked hard my whole life as well. If I blatantly defraud other people or recklessly gamble with my finances then I (rightfully) would have to suffer some serious consequences. This should be true of the financial sector as well.

dixiedawg  [Team Member]
10/5/2011 8:05:10 PM
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By dixiedawg:
I'm starting to think Syrian crowd-control methods may have merit after all.


Really? You would support shooting crowds of unarmed American protesters for exercising their first amendment right?



It's a joke, dipshit, get a clue.

"Facepuncher" ... LMMFAO at your username, it's a joke also.

stevem1a  [Team Member]
10/5/2011 9:45:49 PM
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.



They want violence, they just don't want to be seen starting violence. The union thugs that are waiting in the wings would be most willing to get physical, but first the blame for starting the violence must be attached to Wall Street and the Rethuglicans.

The protesters are there to get hit on camera, so it will give them moral grounds for..,..burn, baby, burn.

Then we will be told that the only person that can stop the violence is....Our Messiah, Obama the First.


Steve

JRCmx  [Member]
10/6/2011 8:12:20 AM
Originally Posted By stevem1a:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.




That is exactly what this thread is about.
They are waiting for the "first blow" to be from the cops or some one from the right and then it will start.

We must show restraint. ... And wait till they step on our property.

They want violence, they just don't want to be seen starting violence. The union thugs that are waiting in the wings would be most willing to get physical, but first the blame for starting the violence must be attached to Wall Street and the Rethuglicans.

The protesters are there to get hit on camera, so it will give them moral grounds for..,..burn, baby, burn.

Then we will be told that the only person that can stop the violence is....Our Messiah, Obama the First.


Steve



3154k9  [Team Member]
10/6/2011 10:35:46 AM
Originally Posted By Kapture1:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.


What has Bush done to help the situation? Obama?

Looking at those who are protesting, their message is quite simple to me. I don't have _______, and those that do own me.

Quit your bitching and go to work. No job, claim you can't find one? Than make one. Use the energy you are using to protest and come up with an idea or invention. WHERE DID THIS ENTITLEMENT MANTALITY COME FROM, this is America for Christ sake. The is the nation that was built off of hard work.

You say I should be able to relate to their message, well I will tell you, I can't relate to it. I have worked hard for everything in my life. Life is not fair and I learned that a long time ago.

God forbid a company turn a profit.


Exactly right; these are mostly educated, liberal, socialist, who want the system to take care of them. They have no real world experience and no common sense on how the "real world" works. So, let's blame the system for me being a lazy idiot. These are the same morons who ran Greece into the ground with their socialist agenda.
You think its unfair that Wall Street execs make more money than you? Should have majored in economics or politics, not environmental grass growing or general studies. This is a total fictitious story put on by the left to get POTUS some attention because they is nothing anybody can highlight about his Presidency that is remotely interesting.
11B333A  [Member]
10/13/2011 5:50:03 PM
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Kapture1:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.


What has Bush done to help the situation? Obama?

Looking at those who are protesting, their message is quite simple to me. I don't have _______, and those that do own me.

Quit your bitching and go to work. No job, claim you can't find one? Than make one. Use the energy you are using to protest and come up with an idea or invention. WHERE DID THIS ENTITLEMENT MANTALITY COME FROM, this is America for Christ sake. The is the nation that was built off of hard work.

You say I should be able to relate to their message, well I will tell you, I can't relate to it. I have worked hard for everything in my life. Life is not fair and I learned that a long time ago.

God forbid a company turn a profit.



Actually we probably agree on a lot of issues.

I'm just saying that I understand where the protester's frustration is coming from. We just saw our economy collapse due almost entirely to reckless and greedy behavior on the part of our financial sector, and not only are there no consequences for it, but many of these very same people are literally running our government now when they should be in prison instead.

No matter where you are on the political spectrum you should be angered by this. That's what I see in these protests; not some socialist effort (although those people are trying to co-opt this movement). I don't see anybody begging for a handout. I see American citizens demanding that Wall Street executives be held to the same laws that everybody else is. Nobody should be above the law no matter how wealthy they are.

I've worked hard my whole life as well. If I blatantly defraud other people or recklessly gamble with my finances then I (rightfully) would have to suffer some serious consequences. This should be true of the financial sector as well.



The above portion shows your complete ignorance to what caused the financial collapse. I suggest you get off ar15.com for a few hours and go pick up a few books, paying particular attention to the topics surrounding the community reinvestment act and government interference in free-market economics by telling the banks that they would guarantee the loans to people with no means to pay them back. The banks would never have given those loans to those idiots if they didn't know that they government would have their back.

BikerNut  [Team Member]
10/13/2011 7:46:30 PM
Originally Posted By 11B333A:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Kapture1:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.


What has Bush done to help the situation? Obama?

Looking at those who are protesting, their message is quite simple to me. I don't have _______, and those that do own me.

Quit your bitching and go to work. No job, claim you can't find one? Than make one. Use the energy you are using to protest and come up with an idea or invention. WHERE DID THIS ENTITLEMENT MANTALITY COME FROM, this is America for Christ sake. The is the nation that was built off of hard work.

You say I should be able to relate to their message, well I will tell you, I can't relate to it. I have worked hard for everything in my life. Life is not fair and I learned that a long time ago.

God forbid a company turn a profit.



Actually we probably agree on a lot of issues.

I'm just saying that I understand where the protester's frustration is coming from. We just saw our economy collapse due almost entirely to reckless and greedy behavior on the part of our financial sector, and not only are there no consequences for it, but many of these very same people are literally running our government now when they should be in prison instead.

No matter where you are on the political spectrum you should be angered by this. That's what I see in these protests; not some socialist effort (although those people are trying to co-opt this movement). I don't see anybody begging for a handout. I see American citizens demanding that Wall Street executives be held to the same laws that everybody else is. Nobody should be above the law no matter how wealthy they are.

I've worked hard my whole life as well. If I blatantly defraud other people or recklessly gamble with my finances then I (rightfully) would have to suffer some serious consequences. This should be true of the financial sector as well.



The above portion shows your complete ignorance to what caused the financial collapse. I suggest you get off ar15.com for a few hours and go pick up a few books, paying particular attention to the topics surrounding the community reinvestment act and government interference in free-market economics by telling the banks that they would guarantee the loans to people with no means to pay them back. The banks would never have given those loans to those idiots if they didn't know that they government would have their back.



11B333A gets an A+ on his first post.

Hornet22  [Team Member]
10/13/2011 7:58:38 PM
Originally Posted By BikerNut:
Originally Posted By 11B333A:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Kapture1:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.


What has Bush done to help the situation? Obama?

Looking at those who are protesting, their message is quite simple to me. I don't have _______, and those that do own me.

Quit your bitching and go to work. No job, claim you can't find one? Than make one. Use the energy you are using to protest and come up with an idea or invention. WHERE DID THIS ENTITLEMENT MANTALITY COME FROM, this is America for Christ sake. The is the nation that was built off of hard work.

You say I should be able to relate to their message, well I will tell you, I can't relate to it. I have worked hard for everything in my life. Life is not fair and I learned that a long time ago.

God forbid a company turn a profit.



Actually we probably agree on a lot of issues.

I'm just saying that I understand where the protester's frustration is coming from. We just saw our economy collapse due almost entirely to reckless and greedy behavior on the part of our financial sector, and not only are there no consequences for it, but many of these very same people are literally running our government now when they should be in prison instead.

No matter where you are on the political spectrum you should be angered by this. That's what I see in these protests; not some socialist effort (although those people are trying to co-opt this movement). I don't see anybody begging for a handout. I see American citizens demanding that Wall Street executives be held to the same laws that everybody else is. Nobody should be above the law no matter how wealthy they are.

I've worked hard my whole life as well. If I blatantly defraud other people or recklessly gamble with my finances then I (rightfully) would have to suffer some serious consequences. This should be true of the financial sector as well.



The above portion shows your complete ignorance to what caused the financial collapse. I suggest you get off ar15.com for a few hours and go pick up a few books, paying particular attention to the topics surrounding the community reinvestment act and government interference in free-market economics by telling the banks that they would guarantee the loans to people with no means to pay them back. The banks would never have given those loans to those idiots if they didn't know that they government would have their back.



11B333A gets an A+ on his first post.





Dittos - Outstanding first post, 11B333A
M4StuGots  [Team Member]
10/13/2011 8:16:52 PM
Originally Posted By 11B333A:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Kapture1:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.


What has Bush done to help the situation? Obama?

Looking at those who are protesting, their message is quite simple to me. I don't have _______, and those that do own me.

Quit your bitching and go to work. No job, claim you can't find one? Than make one. Use the energy you are using to protest and come up with an idea or invention. WHERE DID THIS ENTITLEMENT MANTALITY COME FROM, this is America for Christ sake. The is the nation that was built off of hard work.

You say I should be able to relate to their message, well I will tell you, I can't relate to it. I have worked hard for everything in my life. Life is not fair and I learned that a long time ago.

God forbid a company turn a profit.



Actually we probably agree on a lot of issues.

I'm just saying that I understand where the protester's frustration is coming from. We just saw our economy collapse due almost entirely to reckless and greedy behavior on the part of our financial sector, and not only are there no consequences for it, but many of these very same people are literally running our government now when they should be in prison instead.

No matter where you are on the political spectrum you should be angered by this. That's what I see in these protests; not some socialist effort (although those people are trying to co-opt this movement). I don't see anybody begging for a handout. I see American citizens demanding that Wall Street executives be held to the same laws that everybody else is. Nobody should be above the law no matter how wealthy they are.

I've worked hard my whole life as well. If I blatantly defraud other people or recklessly gamble with my finances then I (rightfully) would have to suffer some serious consequences. This should be true of the financial sector as well.



The above portion shows your complete ignorance to what caused the financial collapse. I suggest you get off ar15.com for a few hours and go pick up a few books, paying particular attention to the topics surrounding the community reinvestment act and government interference in free-market economics by telling the banks that they would guarantee the loans to people with no means to pay them back. The banks would never have given those loans to those idiots if they didn't know that they government would have their back.



From the majority of the videos i've been able to find these protesters in NY do not want anything but a fare run at life. These companies have been able to create a situation in this country and the rest of the world that exempts them from any obligation (financial, socially, or morally). If you listen to the people that are actually speaking clearly and not just out there chanting you can see that. Almost all of the posters here on AR15.com would be aligned somewhere between the mid-right to the right wing politcally so I understand that the common response is to refer to the protesters as a bunch of free loading hand out wanting liberal lefty hippies. Truth is that WE ALL getting just as screwed by the INCs that play on Wall Street.

You claim in the above message that the banks were somehow forced into lending, but that is what a bank does.

I for one thank these people that are able to go speak out for all of us. Not all of us are in a position that would allow us to do this. These people have the RIGHT to be there peacefully to protest and say what ever they feel as long as it does not incite a violent reaction from the crowd. As of this evening the only violence that has been perpatrated has been on the part of the NYPD. They are the ones that WILL escalate this to next level, either that or the NYPD / Federal Govt will attempt to use a agent provocateur to escalate things so they can clear the streets by as someone above posted using "Syrian crowd control methods" .

Please support peoples RIGHTS and dont just shit on them because foxnews or some other outfit tells you to.

Bigohio  [Member]
10/14/2011 5:45:51 AM
Originally Posted By M4StuGots:
Originally Posted By 11B333A:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Kapture1:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.


What has Bush done to help the situation? Obama?

Looking at those who are protesting, their message is quite simple to me. I don't have _______, and those that do own me.

Quit your bitching and go to work. No job, claim you can't find one? Than make one. Use the energy you are using to protest and come up with an idea or invention. WHERE DID THIS ENTITLEMENT MANTALITY COME FROM, this is America for Christ sake. The is the nation that was built off of hard work.

You say I should be able to relate to their message, well I will tell you, I can't relate to it. I have worked hard for everything in my life. Life is not fair and I learned that a long time ago.

God forbid a company turn a profit.



Actually we probably agree on a lot of issues.

I'm just saying that I understand where the protester's frustration is coming from. We just saw our economy collapse due almost entirely to reckless and greedy behavior on the part of our financial sector, and not only are there no consequences for it, but many of these very same people are literally running our government now when they should be in prison instead.

No matter where you are on the political spectrum you should be angered by this. That's what I see in these protests; not some socialist effort (although those people are trying to co-opt this movement). I don't see anybody begging for a handout. I see American citizens demanding that Wall Street executives be held to the same laws that everybody else is. Nobody should be above the law no matter how wealthy they are.

I've worked hard my whole life as well. If I blatantly defraud other people or recklessly gamble with my finances then I (rightfully) would have to suffer some serious consequences. This should be true of the financial sector as well.



The above portion shows your complete ignorance to what caused the financial collapse. I suggest you get off ar15.com for a few hours and go pick up a few books, paying particular attention to the topics surrounding the community reinvestment act and government interference in free-market economics by telling the banks that they would guarantee the loans to people with no means to pay them back. The banks would never have given those loans to those idiots if they didn't know that they government would have their back.



From the majority of the videos i've been able to find these protesters in NY do not want anything but a fare run at life. These companies have been able to create a situation in this country and the rest of the world that exempts them from any obligation (financial, socially, or morally). If you listen to the people that are actually speaking clearly and not just out there chanting you can see that. Almost all of the posters here on AR15.com would be aligned somewhere between the mid-right to the right wing politcally so I understand that the common response is to refer to the protesters as a bunch of free loading hand out wanting liberal lefty hippies. Truth is that WE ALL getting just as screwed by the INCs that play on Wall Street.

You claim in the above message that the banks were somehow forced into lending, but that is what a bank does.

I for one thank these people that are able to go speak out for all of us. Not all of us are in a position that would allow us to do this. These people have the RIGHT to be there peacefully to protest and say what ever they feel as long as it does not incite a violent reaction from the crowd. As of this evening the only violence that has been perpatrated has been on the part of the NYPD. They are the ones that WILL escalate this to next level, either that or the NYPD / Federal Govt will attempt to use a agent provocateur to escalate things so they can clear the streets by as someone above posted using "Syrian crowd control methods" .

Please support peoples RIGHTS and dont just shit on them because foxnews or some other outfit tells you to.



They have a right to peaceful protest; however, they'd be much more successful if they had a clear unified message. Frankly, they're all over the place. This group can't make up they mind if they want to fix this country, or turn it into some socialist utopia. I support their right to protest. Their message however has extremely strong overtones of entitlement, which concerns me.

The sub prime lending market, or the community reinvestment act, which ever you want to call it, put our nation in a hole that's getting deeper by the day.

These people SHOULD be protesting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the Federal Reserve(which some are), and most of the liberal Democrats that support unfunded federal spending.


bigohio

M4StuGots  [Team Member]
10/14/2011 12:15:05 PM
Originally Posted By Bigohio:
Originally Posted By M4StuGots:
Originally Posted By 11B333A:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Kapture1:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.


What has Bush done to help the situation? Obama?

Looking at those who are protesting, their message is quite simple to me. I don't have _______, and those that do own me.

Quit your bitching and go to work. No job, claim you can't find one? Than make one. Use the energy you are using to protest and come up with an idea or invention. WHERE DID THIS ENTITLEMENT MANTALITY COME FROM, this is America for Christ sake. The is the nation that was built off of hard work.

You say I should be able to relate to their message, well I will tell you, I can't relate to it. I have worked hard for everything in my life. Life is not fair and I learned that a long time ago.

God forbid a company turn a profit.



Actually we probably agree on a lot of issues.

I'm just saying that I understand where the protester's frustration is coming from. We just saw our economy collapse due almost entirely to reckless and greedy behavior on the part of our financial sector, and not only are there no consequences for it, but many of these very same people are literally running our government now when they should be in prison instead.

No matter where you are on the political spectrum you should be angered by this. That's what I see in these protests; not some socialist effort (although those people are trying to co-opt this movement). I don't see anybody begging for a handout. I see American citizens demanding that Wall Street executives be held to the same laws that everybody else is. Nobody should be above the law no matter how wealthy they are.

I've worked hard my whole life as well. If I blatantly defraud other people or recklessly gamble with my finances then I (rightfully) would have to suffer some serious consequences. This should be true of the financial sector as well.



The above portion shows your complete ignorance to what caused the financial collapse. I suggest you get off ar15.com for a few hours and go pick up a few books, paying particular attention to the topics surrounding the community reinvestment act and government interference in free-market economics by telling the banks that they would guarantee the loans to people with no means to pay them back. The banks would never have given those loans to those idiots if they didn't know that they government would have their back.



From the majority of the videos i've been able to find these protesters in NY do not want anything but a fare run at life. These companies have been able to create a situation in this country and the rest of the world that exempts them from any obligation (financial, socially, or morally). If you listen to the people that are actually speaking clearly and not just out there chanting you can see that. Almost all of the posters here on AR15.com would be aligned somewhere between the mid-right to the right wing politcally so I understand that the common response is to refer to the protesters as a bunch of free loading hand out wanting liberal lefty hippies. Truth is that WE ALL getting just as screwed by the INCs that play on Wall Street.

You claim in the above message that the banks were somehow forced into lending, but that is what a bank does.

I for one thank these people that are able to go speak out for all of us. Not all of us are in a position that would allow us to do this. These people have the RIGHT to be there peacefully to protest and say what ever they feel as long as it does not incite a violent reaction from the crowd. As of this evening the only violence that has been perpatrated has been on the part of the NYPD. They are the ones that WILL escalate this to next level, either that or the NYPD / Federal Govt will attempt to use a agent provocateur to escalate things so they can clear the streets by as someone above posted using "Syrian crowd control methods" .

Please support peoples RIGHTS and dont just shit on them because foxnews or some other outfit tells you to.



They have a right to peaceful protest; however, they'd be much more successful if they had a clear unified message. Frankly, they're all over the place. This group can't make up they mind if they want to fix this country, or turn it into some socialist utopia. I support their right to protest. Their message however has extremely strong overtones of entitlement, which concerns me.

The sub prime lending market, or the community reinvestment act, which ever you want to call it, put our nation in a hole that's getting deeper by the day.

These people SHOULD be protesting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the Federal Reserve(which some are), and most of the liberal Democrats that support unfunded federal spending.


bigohio



BigOhio,
Couldn't agree more with your last sentence. The biggest problem is that we have so many things that are a problem its hard to latch on to just one and go for broke on a single issue. When you have so many people upset over so many different issues its hard to unify them.
Facepuncher  [Member]
10/14/2011 6:18:13 PM


The above portion shows your complete ignorance to what caused the financial collapse. I suggest you get off ar15.com for a few hours and go pick up a few books, paying particular attention to the topics surrounding the community reinvestment act and government interference in free-market economics by telling the banks that they would guarantee the loans to people with no means to pay them back. The banks would never have given those loans to those idiots if they didn't know that they government would have their back.



Come on now, do you honestly think that the banks should have no responsibility to make responsible investments? Do you really think that the banks are stupid, and loan their money out to people that obviously don't have the means to repay the loans?

Just a few years ago people that made $15k a year were getting $300k loans for homes. This wasn't because these people duped the banks; this was because IT DIDN'T MATTER IF THEY COULD PAY IT BACK. The banks had figured out a way to make money off failing loans. They were just giving loans to any stupid idiot that would sign the papers, then packaging these loans up and LYING by selling them to other banks (and countries, like Greece) as AAA+ safe investments. Since everybody was shopping for homes the prices rose like crazy, and this whole ponzi scheme was able to stay afloat for a few years before it collapsed.

Then once the collapse happened our economy and the stock market went to shit, and these same investment banks used their massive amounts of money (a.k.a. political influence) to buy their way out of any accountability or even risk of reform. People have a right to be pissed about this.
Peterbilt2007  [Member]
10/14/2011 9:31:34 PM
I believe most of these protesters on Wall St. have no F_CKING idea what they are there for or what they are protesting.
SWATH  [Member]
10/15/2011 12:27:07 AM
Thermionix  [Member]
10/15/2011 3:09:36 PM
One word for the OWS crowd...

"Rockeyes!"
JRCmx  [Member]
10/15/2011 6:26:09 PM
Originally Posted By Thermionix:
One word for the OWS crowd...

"Rockeyes!"




? ?

Thermionix  [Member]
10/15/2011 8:11:05 PM
Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Originally Posted By Thermionix:
One word for the OWS crowd...

"Rockeyes!"




? ?



Mk 20s.

CCRP...won't even spill my coffee!
DigDug  [Life Member]
10/15/2011 8:18:53 PM
Creeping socialism. How does it work?

I can see a few in this thread have bought into it. Pathetic.
11B333A  [Member]
10/15/2011 10:12:54 PM
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:


The above portion shows your complete ignorance to what caused the financial collapse. I suggest you get off ar15.com for a few hours and go pick up a few books, paying particular attention to the topics surrounding the community reinvestment act and government interference in free-market economics by telling the banks that they would guarantee the loans to people with no means to pay them back. The banks would never have given those loans to those idiots if they didn't know that they government would have their back.



Come on now, do you honestly think that the banks should have no responsibility to make responsible investments? Do you really think that the banks are stupid, and loan their money out to people that obviously don't have the means to repay the loans?

Just a few years ago people that made $15k a year were getting $300k loans for homes. This wasn't because these people duped the banks; this was because IT DIDN'T MATTER IF THEY COULD PAY IT BACK. The banks had figured out a way to make money off failing loans. They were just giving loans to any stupid idiot that would sign the papers, then packaging these loans up and LYING by selling them to other banks (and countries, like Greece) as AAA+ safe investments. Since everybody was shopping for homes the prices rose like crazy, and this whole ponzi scheme was able to stay afloat for a few years before it collapsed.

Then once the collapse happened our economy and the stock market went to shit, and these same investment banks used their massive amounts of money (a.k.a. political influence) to buy their way out of any accountability or even risk of reform. People have a right to be pissed about this.


Banks have a responsibility to their shareholders. That's it. If BOA starts to charge you five dollars a month for a service they provide, and you don't want to pay it, move to a different bank. Did the banks come to your house and ask for a bailout? No, no they didn't. They went and asked government officials who WE THE PEOPLE put into power, and have the ability to vote out of power. The house of representative including congress and the senate as well as the executive branch swear an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states, as well as promising to serve with their constituents best interest in mind. Where is the outrage at that? That's who are selling out our country. You people talk about needing more regulation when in fact it was government interference that got us into the mess in the first place.

Do I understand why 22 year old kid's with massive student loans and almost no prospects for employment in this economy are scared? Yes, yes I do. Did they start this OWS fiasco, no, no they didn't. It was planned and funded by the far-left, and these kid's are pawns that have boughten into the socialist ideology that their professors have spoon fed them over their entire collegiate curriculum. Just because they are scared does not give them the RIGHT to DEMAND wealth redistribution. It's a dangerous path to take. As we all know, if you start to take this path their is no incentive to excel, to perform, to get educated, to do anything. Like my Commander-In-Chiefs new job bill... here's $40,000 a year for 2 million people to basically do jack shit. People with college degrees in some sectors make less than that. How is that going to work? Why would anyone work any job under $20 bucks and hr, when they would make more on unemployment? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
Peterbilt2007  [Member]
10/16/2011 12:43:56 AM
Well said...
StogerMan  [Team Member]
10/16/2011 3:19:37 AM
Originally Posted By 11B333A:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:


The above portion shows your complete ignorance to what caused the financial collapse. I suggest you get off ar15.com for a few hours and go pick up a few books, paying particular attention to the topics surrounding the community reinvestment act and government interference in free-market economics by telling the banks that they would guarantee the loans to people with no means to pay them back. The banks would never have given those loans to those idiots if they didn't know that they government would have their back.



Come on now, do you honestly think that the banks should have no responsibility to make responsible investments? Do you really think that the banks are stupid, and loan their money out to people that obviously don't have the means to repay the loans?

Just a few years ago people that made $15k a year were getting $300k loans for homes. This wasn't because these people duped the banks; this was because IT DIDN'T MATTER IF THEY COULD PAY IT BACK. The banks had figured out a way to make money off failing loans. They were just giving loans to any stupid idiot that would sign the papers, then packaging these loans up and LYING by selling them to other banks (and countries, like Greece) as AAA+ safe investments. Since everybody was shopping for homes the prices rose like crazy, and this whole ponzi scheme was able to stay afloat for a few years before it collapsed.

Then once the collapse happened our economy and the stock market went to shit, and these same investment banks used their massive amounts of money (a.k.a. political influence) to buy their way out of any accountability or even risk of reform. People have a right to be pissed about this.


Banks have a responsibility to their shareholders. That's it. If BOA starts to charge you five dollars a month for a service they provide, and you don't want to pay it, move to a different bank. Did the banks come to your house and ask for a bailout? No, no they didn't. They went and asked government officials who WE THE PEOPLE put into power, and have the ability to vote out of power. The house of representative including congress and the senate as well as the executive branch swear an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states, as well as promising to serve with their constituents best interest in mind. Where is the outrage at that? That's who are selling out our country. You people talk about needing more regulation when in fact it was government interference that got us into the mess in the first place.

Do I understand why 22 year old kid's with massive student loans and almost no prospects for employment in this economy are scared? Yes, yes I do. Did they start this OWS fiasco, no, no they didn't. It was planned and funded by the far-left, and these kid's are pawns that have boughten into the socialist ideology that their professors have spoon fed them over their entire collegiate curriculum. Just because they are scared does not give them the RIGHT to DEMAND wealth redistribution. It's a dangerous path to take. As we all know, if you start to take this path their is no incentive to excel, to perform, to get educated, to do anything. Like my Commander-In-Chiefs new job bill... here's $40,000 a year for 2 million people to basically do jack shit. People with college degrees in some sectors make less than that. How is that going to work? Why would anyone work any job under $20 bucks and hr, when they would make more on unemployment? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.


Sir, you nailed it.
TexasDoubleTap  [Team Member]
10/16/2011 4:02:03 AM
You can blame government, whom have been bought and paid for.

You can blame the banks, whom have bought and paid for our government.

Or you can blame the Federal Reserve, which is the catalyst that allowed both to happen.



OWS started as an " End the Fed " protest by Amped Status and Anonymous and was quickly hijacked by the left.
JRCmx  [Member]
10/16/2011 8:11:57 AM
Originally Posted By Thermionix:
Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Originally Posted By Thermionix:
One word for the OWS crowd...

"Rockeyes!"




? ?



Mk 20s.

CCRP...won't even spill my coffee!





I still do not understand what all this means.

Facepuncher  [Member]
10/16/2011 9:25:01 AM
Originally Posted By 11B333A:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:


The above portion shows your complete ignorance to what caused the financial collapse. I suggest you get off ar15.com for a few hours and go pick up a few books, paying particular attention to the topics surrounding the community reinvestment act and government interference in free-market economics by telling the banks that they would guarantee the loans to people with no means to pay them back. The banks would never have given those loans to those idiots if they didn't know that they government would have their back.



Come on now, do you honestly think that the banks should have no responsibility to make responsible investments? Do you really think that the banks are stupid, and loan their money out to people that obviously don't have the means to repay the loans?

Just a few years ago people that made $15k a year were getting $300k loans for homes. This wasn't because these people duped the banks; this was because IT DIDN'T MATTER IF THEY COULD PAY IT BACK. The banks had figured out a way to make money off failing loans. They were just giving loans to any stupid idiot that would sign the papers, then packaging these loans up and LYING by selling them to other banks (and countries, like Greece) as AAA+ safe investments. Since everybody was shopping for homes the prices rose like crazy, and this whole ponzi scheme was able to stay afloat for a few years before it collapsed.

Then once the collapse happened our economy and the stock market went to shit, and these same investment banks used their massive amounts of money (a.k.a. political influence) to buy their way out of any accountability or even risk of reform. People have a right to be pissed about this.


Banks have a responsibility to their shareholders. That's it. If BOA starts to charge you five dollars a month for a service they provide, and you don't want to pay it, move to a different bank. Did the banks come to your house and ask for a bailout? No, no they didn't. They went and asked government officials who WE THE PEOPLE put into power, and have the ability to vote out of power. The house of representative including congress and the senate as well as the executive branch swear an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states, as well as promising to serve with their constituents best interest in mind. Where is the outrage at that? That's who are selling out our country. You people talk about needing more regulation when in fact it was government interference that got us into the mess in the first place.

Do I understand why 22 year old kid's with massive student loans and almost no prospects for employment in this economy are scared? Yes, yes I do. Did they start this OWS fiasco, no, no they didn't. It was planned and funded by the far-left, and these kid's are pawns that have boughten into the socialist ideology that their professors have spoon fed them over their entire collegiate curriculum. Just because they are scared does not give them the RIGHT to DEMAND wealth redistribution. It's a dangerous path to take. As we all know, if you start to take this path their is no incentive to excel, to perform, to get educated, to do anything. Like my Commander-In-Chiefs new job bill... here's $40,000 a year for 2 million people to basically do jack shit. People with college degrees in some sectors make less than that. How is that going to work? Why would anyone work any job under $20 bucks and hr, when they would make more on unemployment? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.





You didn't answer any of the points in my post.

Nobody is complaining about the banking fees in this thread. I don't really care what BOA charges since I wouldn't keep my money with a such a destructive, un-American organization anyway. They may believe that their responsibility to their shareholders includes HARMING AMERICA to make extra profits, but I do not. If that is OK with you then I don't know what to say.

The actual reality of the economic collapse is that it was DEREGULATION that got us into this mess. That's been proven and is recognized by all serious economists.

Banking collapses like this happened every few years for decades until we instituted regulations after the depression to prevent banks from crashing our economy with reckless behavior. These same regulations have been under attack by BOTH parties since the Clinton administration. The Glass-Steagall act, passed in 1932 and gutted in 1999, would have prevented EXACTLY what just happened to our economy. This whole mess is CLEARLY a case where regulation could have (and should have) protected the American economy, but it was stripped away by politicians that were bought and paid for by the banks.

There is nothing conservative about letting banks get away with FRAUD and CRIME. There is nothing liberal about wanting to enact laws to protect the majority of Americans from a few people that would gladly harm us all for profits. This isn't a right/left thing. Sometimes regulation is needed. Laws are needed to prevent this from happening again and again and again as history has shown us WILL BE THE CASE.

The people at these protests have a variety of views, and a lot of them may be abhorrent. But underlying it all is the frustration of the American people at the double standard in our government. In today's America the only thing that decides legislation is money. Not what is best for the country, not what is best for our children, but who spends the most money on lobbyists and "campaign contributions" (i.e. bribes). This has to end if we are going to continue to lead the world, and if we want to continue to have a high standard of living.

What we have is a case where a class of ultra-wealthy individuals figured out a way to make a tremendous amount of money by defrauding people... by literally lying. Then they used some of their ill-gotten gains to buy their way out of responsibility for their crimes. And you are defending this.
Thermionix  [Member]
10/16/2011 10:48:48 AM
Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Originally Posted By Thermionix:
Originally Posted By JRCmx:
Originally Posted By Thermionix:
One word for the OWS crowd...

"Rockeyes!"




? ?



Mk 20s.

CCRP...won't even spill my coffee!





I still do not understand what all this means.



Ask the folks over in the aviation section.
Thermionix  [Member]
10/16/2011 10:51:18 AM
Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:
You can blame government, whom have been bought and paid for.

You can blame the banks, whom have bought and paid for our government.

Or you can blame the Federal Reserve, which is the catalyst that allowed both to happen.



OWS started as an " End the Fed " protest by Amped Status and Anonymous and was quickly hijacked by the left.


I thought it was started by AdBusters, the extreme left Canadian magazine. They registered the domain name "occupywallstreet.org" back in June or something.
aceranch  [Member]
10/16/2011 11:10:27 AM
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:


The above portion shows your complete ignorance to what caused the financial collapse. I suggest you get off ar15.com for a few hours and go pick up a few books, paying particular attention to the topics surrounding the community reinvestment act and government interference in free-market economics by telling the banks that they would guarantee the loans to people with no means to pay them back. The banks would never have given those loans to those idiots if they didn't know that they government would have their back.



Come on now, do you honestly think that the banks should have no responsibility to make responsible investments? Do you really think that the banks are stupid, and loan their money out to people that obviously don't have the means to repay the loans?

Just a few years ago people that made $15k a year were getting $300k loans for homes. This wasn't because these people duped the banks; this was because IT DIDN'T MATTER IF THEY COULD PAY IT BACK. The banks had figured out a way to make money off failing loans. They were just giving loans to any stupid idiot that would sign the papers, then packaging these loans up and LYING by selling them to other banks (and countries, like Greece) as AAA+ safe investments. Since everybody was shopping for homes the prices rose like crazy, and this whole ponzi scheme was able to stay afloat for a few years before it collapsed.

Then once the collapse happened our economy and the stock market went to shit, and these same investment banks used their massive amounts of money (a.k.a. political influence) to buy their way out of any accountability or even risk of reform. People have a right to be pissed about this.


You should dig a little deeper. Your Gov't coerced banks into bad loans and then gave them a vehicle out of them. You Gov't took away earned profits from a debit card system built solely by banks and agreed to by retailers. Banks are in the business to make money just like any other business. All of our financial woes can be traced back to Uncle Sam.
Branspop  [Team Member]
10/16/2011 3:36:49 PM
Originally Posted By aceranch:
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:


The above portion shows your complete ignorance to what caused the financial collapse. I suggest you get off ar15.com for a few hours and go pick up a few books, paying particular attention to the topics surrounding the community reinvestment act and government interference in free-market economics by telling the banks that they would guarantee the loans to people with no means to pay them back. The banks would never have given those loans to those idiots if they didn't know that they government would have their back.



Come on now, do you honestly think that the banks should have no responsibility to make responsible investments? Do you really think that the banks are stupid, and loan their money out to people that obviously don't have the means to repay the loans?

Just a few years ago people that made $15k a year were getting $300k loans for homes. This wasn't because these people duped the banks; this was because IT DIDN'T MATTER IF THEY COULD PAY IT BACK. The banks had figured out a way to make money off failing loans. They were just giving loans to any stupid idiot that would sign the papers, then packaging these loans up and LYING by selling them to other banks (and countries, like Greece) as AAA+ safe investments. Since everybody was shopping for homes the prices rose like crazy, and this whole ponzi scheme was able to stay afloat for a few years before it collapsed.

Then once the collapse happened our economy and the stock market went to shit, and these same investment banks used their massive amounts of money (a.k.a. political influence) to buy their way out of any accountability or even risk of reform. People have a right to be pissed about this.


You should dig a little deeper. Your Gov't coerced banks into bad loans and then gave them a vehicle out of them. You Gov't took away earned profits from a debit card system built solely by banks and agreed to by retailers. Banks are in the business to make money just like any other business. All of our financial woes can be traced back to Uncle Sam.


Precisely. In most cases the banks were required by CRAto make these loans. Congress was warned repeatedly about the dangers of the "government sponsored enterprises" but failed to act.

History can be your friend.

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/10/20081009-10.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091102841.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_Qjl08vDbysbe6LWDxcq03J;jsessionid=A5AF1507BACDCB31F6222CC163AC3713
Banditman  [Team Member]
10/16/2011 3:39:57 PM

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.

You really need to go do some research because you have been brainwashed
by the socialists and are acting like one spreading their lies
Banditman  [Team Member]
10/16/2011 3:44:15 PM

Originally Posted By DigDug:
Creeping socialism. How does it work?

I can see a few in this thread have bought into it. Pathetic.

Yes and it is sad they cannot see the truth. Very sad!
Facepuncher  [Member]
10/16/2011 3:57:10 PM
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.

You really need to go do some research because you have been brainwashed
by the socialists and are acting like one spreading their lies




Learn what the hell you are talking about before you go accusing people of things that you clearly don't understand. I'm definitely not a socialist, and I haven't expressed a single socialist view. You must be a damn idiot if you go around accusing everyone you disagree with of being a socialist. Ever hear of the boy that cried wolf?
DigDug  [Life Member]
10/16/2011 4:04:03 PM
Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.

You really need to go do some research because you have been brainwashed
by the socialists and are acting like one spreading their lies




Learn what the hell you are talking about before you go accusing people of things that you clearly don't understand. I'm definitely not a socialist, and I haven't expressed a single socialist view. You must be a damn idiot if you go around accusing everyone you disagree with of being a socialist. Ever hear of the boy that cried wolf?


He is correct. You are wrong. You are spewing the lefts talking points. If you can't see it, the problem is with you not Banditman.
Banditman  [Team Member]
10/16/2011 4:18:10 PM

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.

You really need to go do some research because you have been brainwashed
by the socialists and are acting like one spreading their lies




Learn what the hell you are talking about before you go accusing people of things that you clearly don't understand. I'm definitely not a socialist, and I haven't expressed a single socialist view. You must be a damn idiot if you go around accusing everyone you disagree with of being a socialist. Ever hear of the boy that cried wolf?

You just showed how ignorant you are. Please stop supporting the socialists and learn the truth.
ElCoyote  [Team Member]
10/16/2011 7:32:27 PM
Winter will cure the flea party problem in the north and we don't put up with/ ignore till they give up shit in the south.
Facepuncher  [Member]
10/17/2011 11:48:49 AM
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.

You really need to go do some research because you have been brainwashed
by the socialists and are acting like one spreading their lies




Learn what the hell you are talking about before you go accusing people of things that you clearly don't understand. I'm definitely not a socialist, and I haven't expressed a single socialist view. You must be a damn idiot if you go around accusing everyone you disagree with of being a socialist. Ever hear of the boy that cried wolf?

You just showed how ignorant you are. Please stop supporting the socialists and learn the truth.




Well why don't you point out the problems with my argument, dumbass.
Banditman  [Team Member]
10/17/2011 5:31:30 PM

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.

You really need to go do some research because you have been brainwashed
by the socialists and are acting like one spreading their lies




Learn what the hell you are talking about before you go accusing people of things that you clearly don't understand. I'm definitely not a socialist, and I haven't expressed a single socialist view. You must be a damn idiot if you go around accusing everyone you disagree with of being a socialist. Ever hear of the boy that cried wolf?

You just showed how ignorant you are. Please stop supporting the socialists and learn the truth.




Well why don't you point out the problems with my argument, dumbass.

Somebody mad? Look back through this thread and many of answers
are there for you to see. I am not going to hold your hand. You need
to learn on your own.
Facepuncher  [Member]
10/18/2011 5:19:01 PM
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.

You really need to go do some research because you have been brainwashed
by the socialists and are acting like one spreading their lies




Learn what the hell you are talking about before you go accusing people of things that you clearly don't understand. I'm definitely not a socialist, and I haven't expressed a single socialist view. You must be a damn idiot if you go around accusing everyone you disagree with of being a socialist. Ever hear of the boy that cried wolf?

You just showed how ignorant you are. Please stop supporting the socialists and learn the truth.




Well why don't you point out the problems with my argument, dumbass.

Somebody mad? Look back through this thread and many of answers
are there for you to see. I am not going to hold your hand. You need
to learn on your own.




Yeah, that's what I thought.

Not only are you a dumbass, but you are a lazy dumbass that does not have the courage of his convictions. Thanks for shitting up the thread and contributing nothing to the discussion, dumbass.
Banditman  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 6:10:39 PM

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By Banditman:

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
This has been going on for a few weeks now; I think if they intended for it to get violent it would have already.

Honestly, the banking and finance industry is out of control. They operate above the law because they can buy tremendous influence in both parties. They basically crashed our economy with wildly irresponsible gambling type behavior, and have bought their way our of any accountability for it. Just look at Obama's cabinet; full of ex Wall Street execs. This is no coincidence.

I don't think these kids have much direction or organizational skills but I think their message is something that conservative AND liberal people should be able to agree on. The way Wall Street has acted in recent years has harmed our country. Something needs to be done about it.

You really need to go do some research because you have been brainwashed
by the socialists and are acting like one spreading their lies




Learn what the hell you are talking about before you go accusing people of things that you clearly don't understand. I'm definitely not a socialist, and I haven't expressed a single socialist view. You must be a damn idiot if you go around accusing everyone you disagree with of being a socialist. Ever hear of the boy that cried wolf?

You just showed how ignorant you are. Please stop supporting the socialists and learn the truth.




Well why don't you point out the problems with my argument, dumbass.

Somebody mad? Look back through this thread and many of answers
are there for you to see. I am not going to hold your hand. You need
to learn on your own.




Yeah, that's what I thought.

Not only are you a dumbass, but you are a lazy dumbass that does not have the courage of his convictions. Thanks for shitting up the thread and contributing nothing to the discussion, dumbass.

Did you miss where others said you were wrong? I think you are looking in the mirror there fella.

You are either the lazy one or are lacking comprehension skills. I believe it is the latter.


VA-gunnut  [Site Staff]
10/18/2011 6:45:31 PM
How about we end the name calling as I'm not going to give anymore chances.
cmjohnson  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 6:50:30 PM

Originally Posted By Facepuncher:
Originally Posted By dixiedawg:
I'm starting to think Syrian crowd-control methods may have merit after all.


Really? You would support shooting crowds of unarmed American protesters for exercising their first amendment right?

If you follow the line of "reasoning" (quotes required) of those protesters, they want to bring in full-on socialism which would certainly kill off any semblance of a First Amendment.


I firmly believe that a person should not be permitted to hide in safety behind the very thing that he is attempting to destroy. So, first amendment protections should not apply to those who would
wish for the first amendment to be disposed of.



Nobody should be allowed to do that. NOBODY. No using a right as a shield when your intent is to eliminate that same right.


CJ

Commando_Guy  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 7:10:02 PM
Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:
How about we end the name calling as I'm not going to give anymore chances.


Never fails, does it?
Debate a liberal with logic and facts and their response is namecalling and attempting to shout you down.
See this IRL as well.

Nick

flyguync  [Member]
10/18/2011 7:20:59 PM
I read just a few minutes ago that their "cause" has raised $435,000. Maybe the protesters should take the money and start their own company - I guess they would rather demonize businesses than start one.
Branspop  [Team Member]
10/18/2011 7:39:27 PM
I never thought I would say this, but an interesting take in NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/opinion/the-great-restoration.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Facepuncher  [Member]
10/19/2011 7:07:18 AM
Originally Posted By Commando_Guy:
Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:
How about we end the name calling as I'm not going to give anymore chances.


Never fails, does it?
Debate a liberal with logic and facts and their response is namecalling and attempting to shout you down.
See this IRL as well.

Nick



LOL that's funny because I haven't seen a debate happen yet, just a bunch of idiots shitting all over the beginning of what might have been a decent discussion. Too bad there aren't any moderators here that are willing to do their job. And you clearly don't know what a liberal is.
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