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Christianity and any revision of the Bible. Question... Tattoos.
9/25/2011 2:53:35 AM
My GF's family is face first into the Bible. My GF has some Tattoos and says you can not tattoo or mark the dead.
Leviticus 19:28 says: "Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD."
I brought that up and they agreed with that. However a new argument arrived saying the NIV doesn't say you cannot tattoo yourself.
So what is it? I always thought marking yourself is a DO NOT! however I am being told otherwise by these new translations.
MUCH THANKS AND RESPECT!
Leviticus 19:28 says: "Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD."
I brought that up and they agreed with that. However a new argument arrived saying the NIV doesn't say you cannot tattoo yourself.
So what is it? I always thought marking yourself is a DO NOT! however I am being told otherwise by these new translations.
MUCH THANKS AND RESPECT!
9/25/2011 6:50:39 PM
They are wrong. All versions of the NIV read the same for that verse. The word 'tattoo' is there:
28 “‘Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.
Perhaps a better argument would be whether or not christians are under the law, or did Christ fulfill it?
28 “‘Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.
Perhaps a better argument would be whether or not christians are under the law, or did Christ fulfill it?
9/26/2011 2:31:22 PM
I read somewhere a long time ago that this referred to certain pagan practices. However, it's been so long I don't recall the source.
Personally, I have a couple. And one day I'll exchange this old body for a new one.
Two of mine were from my BC days. One is a critter wrapped around a dagger on my left forearm. It's about 8 inches long, and the critter is rather demonic looking. I used it as an object lesson in the Sunday School class I was teaching.
The point was that telling others about Jesus is basically a matter of telling them about what he's done in your life. I made the point that thanks to Him I'm not who I used to be. I held up my arm and commented, "They don't give these out in Sunday School." Now it's more of a reminder of where I came from and that I don't want to go back.
I got another on my 50th birthday, two years ago. It's a tribute to the courage and sacrifice of the people on TWA 93.
In the end, the content of our hearts define who we are.
Personally, I have a couple. And one day I'll exchange this old body for a new one.
Two of mine were from my BC days. One is a critter wrapped around a dagger on my left forearm. It's about 8 inches long, and the critter is rather demonic looking. I used it as an object lesson in the Sunday School class I was teaching.
The point was that telling others about Jesus is basically a matter of telling them about what he's done in your life. I made the point that thanks to Him I'm not who I used to be. I held up my arm and commented, "They don't give these out in Sunday School." Now it's more of a reminder of where I came from and that I don't want to go back.
I got another on my 50th birthday, two years ago. It's a tribute to the courage and sacrifice of the people on TWA 93.
In the end, the content of our hearts define who we are.
9/26/2011 8:46:20 PM
Originally Posted By Brohawk:
I read somewhere a long time ago that this referred to certain pagan practices. However, it's been so long I don't recall the source.
Personally, I have a couple. And one day I'll exchange this old body for a new one.
Two of mine were from my BC days. One is a critter wrapped around a dagger on my left forearm. It's about 8 inches long, and the critter is rather demonic looking. I used it as an object lesson in the Sunday School class I was teaching.
The point was that telling others about Jesus is basically a matter of telling them about what he's done in your life. I made the point that thanks to Him I'm not who I used to be. I held up my arm and commented, "They don't give these out in Sunday School." Now it's more of a reminder of where I came from and that I don't want to go back.
I got another on my 50th birthday, two years ago. It's a tribute to the courage and sacrifice of the people on TWA 93.
In the end, the content of our hearts define who we are.
I read somewhere a long time ago that this referred to certain pagan practices. However, it's been so long I don't recall the source.
Personally, I have a couple. And one day I'll exchange this old body for a new one.
Two of mine were from my BC days. One is a critter wrapped around a dagger on my left forearm. It's about 8 inches long, and the critter is rather demonic looking. I used it as an object lesson in the Sunday School class I was teaching.
The point was that telling others about Jesus is basically a matter of telling them about what he's done in your life. I made the point that thanks to Him I'm not who I used to be. I held up my arm and commented, "They don't give these out in Sunday School." Now it's more of a reminder of where I came from and that I don't want to go back.
I got another on my 50th birthday, two years ago. It's a tribute to the courage and sacrifice of the people on TWA 93.
In the end, the content of our hearts define who we are.
out of the heart indeed....the sword of truth rules out a dagger tattoo any day
9/26/2011 9:10:43 PM
I believe it has all to do more with us being willing to following commandments and the Lord's wishes for us. By drawing permanently on God's design we are defacing it so to speak and he wants us to keep this temple we have holy. I have tattoos but no new ones. The ones I have I have no shame over but they aren't visible unless I take off my shirt.
9/27/2011 2:02:12 AM
Thank you very much. I really appreciate the replies and personal honesty here.
10/14/2011 6:51:07 AM
EDITED. Inappropriate comment for this forum. Please read the tacked threads at the top before posting here again. HS
10/14/2011 7:08:14 AM
EDITED. Quote and reply to inappropriate comment edited above. HS
10/14/2011 10:04:25 AM
EDITED. Quote and reply to inappropriate comment edited above. HS
10/15/2011 5:08:40 PM
I do believe that a Christian is not under the law but that they are under grace. However, I feel that Christians should not cut or tattoo themselves. I think they we should strive to keep ourselves apart from what is considered Worldly. I know I will catch some flak for that but so be it.
10/16/2011 10:42:44 AM
Not from me you won't. I believe this falls under stewardship. Most of the time when people hear that word they think, "Uh oh, they want more money." While indeed treasure is one of the gifts God has given us, it's not the only one. Stewardship is caring for what has been given us. Nothing here is ours, it all belongs to God. Whether it's time, our talents, treasure, our bodies, etc, we're to make the best use of it to serve God. The first three I mentioned are easy to figure out, but the body perhaps less clear. We should take care of it because it is the Holy Spirit's Temple. He is within us so that we may believe. Whether it is overeating, smoking, abusing drugs or alcohol, etc. why would we purposely profane God's temple?
I'll modify that a bit; why would we do anything not to God's glory? Perhaps we could tattoo ourselves, but why are we doing it? Naked ladies, etc, might not be doing it for God's glory, but if for some reason you chose to ink scripture for you to look at when perhaps, say, you are troubled or threatened, maybe that's okay. Motivation.
I'll modify that a bit; why would we do anything not to God's glory? Perhaps we could tattoo ourselves, but why are we doing it? Naked ladies, etc, might not be doing it for God's glory, but if for some reason you chose to ink scripture for you to look at when perhaps, say, you are troubled or threatened, maybe that's okay. Motivation.
10/18/2011 3:04:51 PM
We are still under the law. Even Jesus said so. He stated Matt 5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."
10/18/2011 5:20:12 PM
Jesus fulfilled the law by paying for our sin on the cross. Because of this believers are perfect in the eyes of the Father. However, this does not mean the purposes of the law are gone.
God is holy and intends to declare his will. He does this through the law. His laws accomplishes three things: He uses the law to restrain wrongdoing. With its punishment for wrongdoing, it curbs our behavior.
It also works as a mirror to show us our error. With the Holy Spirit in us, we can look at our behavior and it shows us that we have fallen short of it. It shows us our need for a savior. When we have understanding of our failure, we're ready to hear the Gospel.
And when we hear the Gospel and the Holy Spirit compels us to believe it, there is the third use for the law; it shows us how to live in a God pleasing manner out of thanksgiving. The essence of the law is love.
God is holy and intends to declare his will. He does this through the law. His laws accomplishes three things: He uses the law to restrain wrongdoing. With its punishment for wrongdoing, it curbs our behavior.
It also works as a mirror to show us our error. With the Holy Spirit in us, we can look at our behavior and it shows us that we have fallen short of it. It shows us our need for a savior. When we have understanding of our failure, we're ready to hear the Gospel.
And when we hear the Gospel and the Holy Spirit compels us to believe it, there is the third use for the law; it shows us how to live in a God pleasing manner out of thanksgiving. The essence of the law is love.
10/19/2011 12:05:24 PM
Originally Posted By -RotorDemon-:
My GF's family is face first into the Bible. My GF has some Tattoos and says you can not tattoo or mark the dead.
Leviticus 19:28 says: "Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD."
I brought that up and they agreed with that. However a new argument arrived saying the NIV doesn't say you cannot tattoo yourself.
So what is it? I always thought marking yourself is a DO NOT! however I am being told otherwise by these new translations.
MUCH THANKS AND RESPECT!
My GF's family is face first into the Bible. My GF has some Tattoos and says you can not tattoo or mark the dead.
Leviticus 19:28 says: "Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD."
I brought that up and they agreed with that. However a new argument arrived saying the NIV doesn't say you cannot tattoo yourself.
So what is it? I always thought marking yourself is a DO NOT! however I am being told otherwise by these new translations.
MUCH THANKS AND RESPECT!
iirc, the verse in Leviticus, speaks about a pagan ritual of marking and defacing ones body out of grief over the dead.
i tattoo myself to give glory to the Lord.
www.amazon.com/Bore-Marks-Bear-Spirit-Filled-Tattoos/dp/0973120509
10/26/2011 9:12:47 AM
Tattoos are an interesting subject. I have a few and plan to get more as they are something that I have a mild interest in. I think we need to draw the line between sin and instruction. Tattoos are not sin, however, in Leviticus God commanded the Levites (the priestly tribe of Israel) not to mark or cut themselves in remembrance of the dead. I don't believe that levitical law is relevant to Christians today as the law was fulfilled through the crucifixion of Christ.
I have no problem with anyone not wanting to get anymore tattoos, and I totally see the inclination to not want to in order to be "set apart." Unfortunately I grew up in a very old fashioned church where the pastor taught that you would basically go to hell just for having tattoos (and consuming alcohol, but thats for another thread).
I know many people that use their tattoos as an effective tool in witnessing to others. I have a tattoo of Phillippians 4:13 written out on my upper back though, I wouldn't go out and get a tattoo of a demon or something, nor would I get any kind of tattoo that could be misconstrued as a form of idol worship.
I have no problem with anyone not wanting to get anymore tattoos, and I totally see the inclination to not want to in order to be "set apart." Unfortunately I grew up in a very old fashioned church where the pastor taught that you would basically go to hell just for having tattoos (and consuming alcohol, but thats for another thread).
I know many people that use their tattoos as an effective tool in witnessing to others. I have a tattoo of Phillippians 4:13 written out on my upper back though, I wouldn't go out and get a tattoo of a demon or something, nor would I get any kind of tattoo that could be misconstrued as a form of idol worship.
10/26/2011 9:22:06 AM
Originally Posted By swarren:
We are still under the law. Even Jesus said so. He stated Matt 5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."
We are still under the law. Even Jesus said so. He stated Matt 5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."
Well that isn't what Paul taught. Jesus's atonement on the cross was the fulfillment of the law and Christians are under a new covenant. Its why Christians can eat pork and aren't required to circumcised.
