Did God Create Everything in Six 24-Hour Days?

This article sums up my belief. God created the universe. The creation of the universe did not happen in six, 24 hour days.

The author's writing style is a little annoying, but it is still a good article.

http://www.greeklatinaudio.com/six24hrdays.htm

I just assumed that 'Genesis days' were the inverse of 'Internet days'.

But I'm a heathen, what do I know?

My response is, "Yes, the world was created in six 24 hour days". I believe the Bible is the revealed Word of God. Read on its own terms, the account in Genesis 1 makes it clear that each of the six "days" of creation was just that––a normal cycle of the clock with a period of darkness and a period of light. See also Exodus 20:9-11: 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

The following may seem to be off topic, but it really isn't. So please, entertain me and let me continue:

Your chest feels as if an elephant is dancing on it. You're gasping for air. Sweat is glistening on your face. You are in the emergency room of a hospital. Nurses are hooking wires all over your chest. Another nurse is searching for a vein to start an I.V. Another nurse is putting a small pill under your tongue. After looking at the monitor and the EKG tape, the doctor informs you that you are having a heart attack. It's a frightening scene. Other tests prove that there is a blockage in your heart. The doctor tells you what has happened to your heart and then proceeds to explain what needs to be done to repair your heart so that you can continue to live.

Are you going to believe everything he says? Or are you going to pick and choose what you want to believe and disregard the rest, which could cost you your life? Your life depends on believing everything the doctor tells you.

There are people who believe the whole of the Bible. There are people who don't believe anything in the Bible. But how can a person believe just some of the Bible? How does a person pick and choose what parts of the Bible are true and what parts are not true? How can a person believe that Jesus died on the cross to take the sins of the world away and yet not believe that Jesus rose from the dead? How can a person believe that Jesus did miracles, but that Jonah could not have spent three days in the belly of a great fish?

What is true and what is not true? The Bible is God's Word. Not believing some of the Bible will lead to doubting all the Bible. The Bible is not a collection of human ideas and thoughts. The Bible is God's Word, given word for word by the Holy Spirit to human writers. If any part of the Bible is merely human thoughts, and not God's Word, then all of God's Word can't be trusted. If it is God's Word, then all of it is true and is to be believed.

I believe the entire Bible is God's Word and it is true. My belief is not founded on shaky ground. First, there is more evidence for the documents of the Bible than for any other ancient book. Second, all the writers of the New Testament wrote within the first century of Christ's birth. They all knew Jesus. Third, even historical facts cited by the writers have been proven to be true. Fourth, God promised that the writers would tell the truth. The Holy Spirit guided them so that they did just that.

I believe all of the Bible because in it God tells me that he loves us sinful human beings so very much that he sent His Son Jesus to live, suffer, die and rise for us so that we could be with him in heaven. That is why God tells us that his words "are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" (John 20:31).

God's Word is all true. You can trust every word of it from beginning to end. If not, it's a sham.

I respectfully disagree.

I think the main message is there, but people wrote the book and chose which ones went the bible.

There is some pretty screwed up stuff in the old testament too.

Everyone takes away something different from the bible, and I think that's how its supposed to be.

People read into it what they need to.

I believe God created everything.

But it's not 6 literal days. It's allegory. It's man's way to describe what he can't understand.

Did Samson really tie all those foxes tails together? I don't think so. It was a way to describe Samson's character and abilities.

People wrote, and understood writing differently in the ancient days. I doubt if Moses believed it was 6 literal days.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman who needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Believing the bible doesn't mean believing that everything is literally true. There are many different types of language in the bible - hyperbole, allegory, symbolism, etc. To get the truth from the bible you have to know how the person is writing and what they are trying to say.

What is the truth of the story of creation? That God created the universe.

Really, as it pertains to our faith, the number of days it took him is irrelevant.

The "6 literal days" today isn't so much a theory that exists on it's own merit as it is a theory that exists to oppose evolution. I don't mind opposing evolution. But promoting 6 literal days lessens our credibility.

Well here is what God had man record about His creation so they would know how things came about.)
Point (1)
Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Point (2) Genesis 1:3
3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

Point 3 God madae light
Genesis 1:4-5
4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.
Very important point a day is still one revolution of the earth it also estabilshes time.

Point 4 God made the Heavens
Genesis 1:7-8
7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. ( Remember one revolution of the eath = one day)

Point 5 God makes dry land and plants that already reproduce seeds to what?
Genesis 1:9-13
9 Then God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.
Remember one revolution of the earth = one day, not bad for three days work just speaking things into being.

Point 6
Genesis 1:14-19
14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;
15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so.
16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.
17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth,
18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Remember one day = one revolution of the earth. When the earth goes once around the sun it = one year and the tilt of the earth gives us our season as we go around the sun in one year.

Point 7 All God does is speak and wham in the 4th day of creation all the heavens are made complete even the light that travels from the farthest star reaching earth in one day.
Genesis 1:20-23
20 Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens."
21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."
23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Remember one day = one revolution of the earth. When the earth goes once around the sun it = one year and the tilt of the earth gives us our season as we go around the sun in one year.

Point 8 God creates man on the 6th day.
Genesis 1:26-31
26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
29 And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.
30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"; and it was so.
31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Remember one day = one revolution of the earth. When the earth goes once around the sun it = one year and the tilt of the earth gives us our season as we go around the sun in one year

Hebrews 11:3
3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Remember that we serve a God who can create all we see and perceive in 6, 24 hour days that is what makes The Lord Great.
So i will end here. The bible, Gods Holy Word does tells us about His creation and how it came about and how long it took Him 6 days.

The point is "morning and evening" are not literally 24 hour days.

I have three very basic arguments (as opposed to the authors more rigorous argument) that it is not 24 hour days:

3) So in one 24 hour period, God created ALL of the land animals, and Adam. Then in that same 24 hours, Adam named ALL of the animals. Then in that same 24 hours, Adam was lonely and needed a companion and God created Eve.

The bigger point is, organized Christianity can't go back on the misinterpretation of six 24 hour days. If they do, then that will open the floodgate to may asking if Christians have been wrong about this interpretation, what else are they wrong about. Christians standing their ground on six literal days is nothing but damage control.

Why compress an omnipotent God into human time constraints?

What's going to happen here, is that this discussion is going to migrate over to "Who wrote the Bible, God or man?" As for me, I'll side with God. My God doesn't have faults and doesn't lie.

People often want proof that the Bible is true. That's not surprising since we live in a society that is strongly influenced by science and the scientific method. However, the demand for proof is nothing new. St. Paul had to contend with this attitude in his day. He writes to the Corinthians, "Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified; a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength" (1 Corinthians 1:22-25; please read 1 Corinthians 1:18-2:16).*

The Bible is self authenticating—it has the power in itself (the power of the Holy Spirit) to convince people of its truthfulness. I know that the Bible is true because the Holy Spirit has worked that conviction in my heart. When we proclaim what the Bible teaches, the Holy Spirit will work through our proclamation (see Isaiah 55:10-11). It's not "damage control", it's witnessing to the power of God.

*Christ the Wisdom and Power of God

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;

the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.

26 Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.”


2 When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 3 I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5 so that your faith might not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power.

Wisdom From the Spirit

6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 However, as it is written:

“No eye has seen,

no ear has heard,

no mind has conceived

what God has prepared for those who love him”—

10 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment:

16 “For who has known the mind of the Lord

that he may instruct him?”

But we have the mind of Christ.

"6 literal days" is what it says. The language is simple, this debate has been done to death, and allegorical writing is significantly and obviously different from factual writings. You don't have to like it, don't have to agree with it, may explain it away with whatever mental gymnastics you must, and I don't really care whether you believe it or not, but to claim that it came about "to oppose evolution", when the Bible was written down long before Darwin ever dreamed up his theories is silly.

The idea that Moses is the only writer to use ordinal numbers and timeframes to describe the Creation events is irrelevant, even if it were true.

You're absolutely correct that the Hebrew word "yom" is used to refer to many other things than a calendar day. It is *not*, however, used to refer to anything other than a calendar day when paired with an ordinal anywhere in the texts –– first, second, etc, as the concept would no longer make any sense. Psalm 90:6 is actually quite clearly referring to a single day –– it springs up in the morning and withers away by evening is referring to something very short lived.

Why could the God not have created all of the land animals in a day? We're talking about a God who can create the universe, why is he limited to a specific restriction on his ability to create a certain number of animals per hour?

Sure, God can create all the animals in a day, but could Adam name them all in a day? There are theories that Adam was superhuman, but that's still not the same as God.

I wouldn't go so far as to say "superhuman", but I would tend to believe that (assuming the creation story and all it entails is true), his mental and physical abilities would have been greater than ours today. If Moses is to be believed, he lived over 900 years, so he had to have been far better physically than we are today.

Again –– assuming the creation story is true, God created perfection, Man brought sin into the world, and the world has been decaying for the six thousand or so years since.

But could he name all the animals in a 24 hour period? I assume there were a lot of species and that he didn't give each individual a name. Maybe he just named the "kinds" as in the kinds that fit on the ark. Still, a big task for one day.

That's kind of how I would read it.

NO

so there was just nothing until those 6 days? Where did god come from?

God is.

"I am that I am".

God exists. That's really the only answer one can give to that question.

The corollary, of course, is where did the energy for the big bang come from?

Both ideas require an uncaused cause, something that came first, a beginning. The Darwinists would have you believe the universe is the uncaused cause, which makes the universe God.

1st: Your point 1 makes no sense. Jesus does not have to explain His creation time line it was already done quite clearly in Genesis.
2nd: The point made by David is that man is finite and confined by time and God is infinite and not confined by time. God lives out side of time. He dwell's in a place of no beginning and no end (verse 2). What you quote in verse six is understood in the context of verses 1-6.
Psalm 90:1-6
1 A Prayer of Moses the man of God. LORD, You have been our dwelling place in all generations.
2 Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.
3 You turn man to destruction, And say, "Return, O children of men."
4 For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.
5 You carry them away like a flood; They are like a sleep. In the morning they are like grass which grows up:
6 In the morning it flourishes and grows up; In the evening it is cut down and withers.

Ah, the false dilemma.... your claim amounts to: "My interpretation is the only correct one. And if you do not believe all of it (int eh same way I do), then you can believe none of it."

That's simply a logical fallacy.

But I chose option 2 anyways.

Point of order... "Darwinism" has NOTHING TO DO with the big bang. God could have created the Universe AND evoltuion can be true. Don;t mix them up. One is physics, the other biology.

not according to the Bible, which is what is being discussed.

Why is His "Word" limited to a book - especially scriptures that, while using them to illustrate points faith and morality, Christ himself never quoted or carried around in any documented fashion? Nor, for that matter, did he write anything nor talk about the importance of a "to later be published" perfect book of scriptures.

The idea that God's Church is a house of cards doomed to collapse if any aspect of ancient scriptures is viewed from a different perspective, is a common rhetorical device (used by a poster above you in this very thread) but is hardly "biblical."

you should do some study on how the Torah was viewed by the Jews, Christ included. Your assertion that he never quoted from it is inaccurate.

there might be some merit to an argument over the counsel of nicea, but the Torah has been accepted as God's word for thousands of years, and carefully preserved.

Only by YOUR interpreation of Bible. Let's be clear on that. You are insisting that your interpretation of Genesis is the only valid one.

I think most modern people studying ancient peoples make some grave errors. One of them is assuming that ancient peoples saw allegory and truth as somehow separate. In fact, if you read ancient, and even medieval hirtories, authors often mixed allegorical elements freely with factual ones. They understood, and expected that their audience understood, that something could be "true" and allegorical at the same time. Quite simply, they had a different epistemology than most modern peoples.

I know a minister who insists that Genesis was written for people who though like that, and that God trusted that the truth of His word would be understood by those ancient peoples through this allegory, and that modern peoples, who have come to understand God's word not only through the Bible, but through the world He created and our God-given reason, would understand the intricate details of creation.

You can reject that view, of course, but I think it's every bit as legitimate as your "my way or the highway" approach to scripture.

Of course, I've come to believe the Bible in its entirety is a cultural artifact, but that's another argument. Your argument lies entirely upon claiming sole right to interpret the Bible.

We have had many many threads with Jews and "Bible Believers." The differences in interpretation is night and day. There are also very few Jewish traditions today that insist in the literal 6-day creation. Most of the modern "creationist" movement is strongly rooted in American protestant reactionary movements starting in the 19th century. That, and an oddly parallel one within Islam - which pretty much borrows from (steals) rhetorical points from the movement here.

Of course, most people just took it literally before there was scientific evidence to show otherwise. Why wouldn't they?

Wait –– you were just saying that the Bible didn't matter, because it wasn't authoritative and Jesus didn't quote from it, now the argument is, what? You now want to claim the "creationist" movement is recent, when it's actually several thousand years old, and not unique in any way whatsoever to "American Protestant" denominations. You don't have to like it, but the facts disagree with you all the way back to the beginning of recorded history. Even Jesus was quite clear in his view of Genesis.

I'm not even arguing anything other than that the words of the Bible say what they say. I don't care whether you like them or disbelieve them –– that's your call.

Throughout almost the entirity of history, Genesis has been accepted by people of faith as describing factual events. You don't believe it. That's fine, I'm not trying to disabuse you of your beliefs –– believe what you want. But don't come in here and attempt to tell me that my "interpretation" of the actual words of the document is some anomaly that only I have ever held to, when almost everyone in history agrees with me, and nothing in textual criticism or exegesis has changed the way Genesis should be interpreted. Genesis 1 tells what purports to be a fact of history. Like it or not, it is what it is. You don't even accept that the Bible is anything anyway, so why do you care?

Yes, it was hard work but he got the job done the best he could. All of the derp in the world today is evidence that the whole thing was rushed.

The modern creationist movement is indeed recent. It is a reactionary movement in response to increased scientific knowledge about the history of the world and the gradual trend of the mainstream denominations accepting the latter and thus coming to an understanding that Genesis was not meant to be taken literally. The whole idea of such an understanding - acceptance, if you will - was an affront to the faith of certain people. This is the reason for the outrage and the rhetoric we see in this very thread, and the "house of cards, we are letting God out of our lifes" arguments has been a hallmark of the movement dating back well before the Scopes monkey trial.

The whole idea that you cannot be Christian and question the literal truth of Genesis is nonsensical on the surface - unless you hold that Methodists, Episcopalians, Catholics, Orthodox churches, etc. are not "Christian" - since all of these groups have made statements to the effect that the modern scientific understanding of the time spans involved in the origin and distribution of life is not incompatible with their faith.

It isn't about not believing in the Bible - it's about where you place it. For many, the Church comes first. The Bible could be revealed to have all but been invented by some 2nd century hoaxster and the Church would still hypothetically be just as valid, merely temporarily mislead.

You can make that claim all you want, but it's simply not factual.

The creationist "movement" is rooted in a the literal reading of a book that is at least four thousand years old, and has been accepted as factual by essentially everyone that claims Christianity, Islam, or Judaism, up until about the last 40 years.

Calling that "reactionary" is absurd. The current movement within the church is to reject the plain words of the Bible in favor of modern interpretations designed to fit the Bible into modern thought.

Oweless alluded to this in an earlier post. This is something that Christian legalists do not want to acknowledge. I think the stories of Samson are a good example. Take the story of the foxes. The Bible states Samson caught 300 foxes and tied their tails together two by two. Samson probably didn't exactly perform this feat, but the allegory in the story conveys Samson's will and fortitude to take revenge on his enemies.

http://www.icr.org/who-we-are/

http://www.answersingenesis.org/about

These two orgs are arguably on the forefront of the modern creationist movement. They are indeed reactionary - and are "ministries" established directly in response to the perception that modern scientific understandings of history were threatening their "old time religion."

In the words of AIG, to "seek to expose the bankruptcy of evolutionary ideas, and its bedfellow, a 'millions of years old' earth (and even older universe)."

I doubt that Gods days are the same as earth days. I always take my watch off and hand it to 6 earth day types. I tell them "Here, you put this on His wrist, I'm not that bold. I won't tell Him what time it is."

Exactly how do you measure a "day"? Ever heard of special relativity? Time dilation? We're not talking about scientific hypothesis. It has been proven. A fact. Time is highly relative, dependant on relative speed. Move faster = time span increases, relative to slower moving objects; 'time' is immaterial for objects moving at the speed of light.



Christianity, Islam, & Judaism all agree on...which book? The Bible is a compilation of books.

My take on the whole thing is that the bible is almost completely allegorical. From genesis to revelations. Yeshua and his disciples were real but in the new testament they are allegorical as well. Genesis is full of symbolism of spiriual meaning. Revelations is the same way. Who is to believe that G*d literally planted a garden in Eden. Who is to believe that if you eat from one tree you you gain eternal life and if you eat of another one would know good and evil. These are to be taken as an allegorical account of the fall of man. Even the Corinthians that Paul taught and had received the gifts of the spirit and the laying in of hands were still stuck on the milk of the gospel of Christ and him crucified. The virgin birth is allegorical as well. You have to look beyond the the literal words of the bible and Torah to find the truevspiritual meaning of the word of G*d. Also the bible has been corrupted throughout the years as well read the early church fathers writings and you will see verses they quote that won't be in your modern bibles.

What makes you think those organizations are presenting anything new at all?

Christianity, Islam, and Judaism have all agreed on a six-day literal creation for most of their recorded history. The Judaistic story and the Christian story come from the same book. The Muslim story is essentially lifted from the Bible as well, IIRC, though Islam is not something I study.

Believe what you wish –– but you absolutely do *NOT* have to "look beyond" the literal words of the Bible to determine the "spiritual meaning" of the Word of God.

No.

yes,

six means six and days means days.

If not you have a much more serious problem in Exodus 20:8-11

the day-agers refutation is not in Genesis, but in Exodus 20

You need to get past the milk of the gospel. Just looking at the literal word will do almost nothing for you.

If you reject the words that were written, how can you hope to understand the meaning?

I did not say reject I said you need to get past the literal word. You have to get past the literal interpretation. Understand what genesis is saying beyond the literal. Look beyond Peter the disciple and see what he is a symbol of. What is the vigil birth stand for. Reading the literal word will only get you so far then you have too look past the literal and see the allegory is and what it means.

But above, you stated that we must reject the entire Bible as not literal and allegorical. It isn't, and that's a fact. One might argue over some things, but if you reject the virgin birth, who are you praying to? Joseph's son? That's not "allegory", it's presented as fact. It's either true, or it's a lie. You don't get to just explain it all away with "it's an allegory", because if you do, you're saying God is a liar.

Since the lights in the firmament hadn't appeared until the fourth day, it would be interesting to know how someone comes to a 24 hour period for determining the first three creative periods. If there is an evening and a morning, but there is no sun, moon, or stars to measure by, it is interesting to consider what the "evening" and the "morning" is based on.

Someone mentioned a rotation, but where is that mentioned?

It's the same point I made earlier. Creationists/fundamentalists didn't invent the 24 hour creation day, but it is very convenient for their cause. It has become a litmus test for true fundamentalists.

I didn't say the Bible "didn't matter" either. He is too set in his mental block to understand.

At the Creation of the Universe... let's assume that God made the Big Bang when he spoke Creation into being. As the Universe (spacetime) was expanding and racing away from Him at relativistic speeds, I have to wonder if the time-shift experienced by God as both He and the Earth are screaming away from each other allows both 6 days and 4.5 billion years to be true - depending on the perspective of who is speaking.

I think it is entirely possible that both the literal translation and the empirical data we have seen to be true.

I am always stuck with how God could communicate the creation to some primitive booger eater in any way that could allow the literal parsing we see today. I have tried to teach much, much more simple things to people, and you see how they turn around and present it the next day - makes you want to bank your head in the wall. The disparity between God and some primitive prophet would be orders of unfathomable magnitude greater.

There is only one story in the Old Testament wear God himself oversees the word for word writing, and that is the one of the Ten Commandments. In that one, the dramatization of how God personally talked to Moses is amazing... yet, we are supposed to believe everything else Moses wrote down about God was similarly precise and literal. I just can't wrap my head around it.

It all boils back to the circular logic of "God can preserve his Word if He wants to, I believe the Bible is his perfect Word, therefore I believe God would have made sure it is perfect." It's a belief, but to insist it defines Christianity is hubris.

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