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 Just enlisted in the army, can i change my MOS?
boomhower  [Member]
8/21/2009 11:14:13 PM
Like the title states i just enlisted in the army, i posted this in GD but i thought here might be good to. Any ways is signed up for 19D and want to go to 15 series due to the fact that it will be better when i get out, i will have a skill i can use in the civ. world. I just feel that 19d wont get me too far. Any options? Is it possible to change my MOS? I will talk to the recruiter monday.
Bettendorf  [Team Member]
8/22/2009 12:39:13 PM
You should be able to change. Your recruiter might be pissed but oh well, you got to look out for yourself.
Bohr_Adam  [Life Member]
8/22/2009 12:54:05 PM
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
You should be able to change. Your recruiter might be pissed but oh well, you got to look out for yourself.


Also, be willing to quit.

If the recruiter thinks you are just whining, he won't do anything. If you are seriously a risk of not shipping, he will try to get you back to MEPS for a new MOS. Don't let him tell you that you can change it later. Your best time to change anything is now, before the Army owns you (they don't own you yet, regardless of what your recruiter may try to tell you, or what you have signed).
boomhower  [Member]
8/22/2009 1:28:51 PM
Thanks guys.
ATACORION  [Team Member]
8/22/2009 4:49:50 PM
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By Bettendorf:
You should be able to change. Your recruiter might be pissed but oh well, you got to look out for yourself.


Also, be willing to quit.

If the recruiter thinks you are just whining, he won't do anything. If you are seriously a risk of not shipping, he will try to get you back to MEPS for a new MOS. Don't let him tell you that you can change it later. Your best time to change anything is now, before the Army owns you (they don't own you yet, regardless of what your recruiter may try to tell you, or what you have signed).


yup get what you want before you ship or else........
burlysoldier  [Team Member]
8/22/2009 5:14:46 PM
My bro is a 19d has been for 10 years and LOVES it. Every duty station he is doing something different from mechanized in a bradley to dismounted even sniper school. I think it is one of the coolest most dynamic MOS's in the army. Sorry you are backing out.
DoorKicker  [Member]
8/23/2009 1:17:00 AM
Originally Posted By burlysoldier:
My bro is a 19d has been for 10 years and LOVES it. Every duty station he is doing something different from mechanized in a bradley to dismounted even sniper school. I think it is one of the coolest most dynamic MOS's in the army. Sorry you are backing out.


19D might be FUN but 15 series can be a real useful MOS and a Kick Ass job too. I was a Door Gunner on a UH60 and have over 700 hrs combat flight time. Get 15T and volunteer for Night Stalkers. forget 19D

TANGOCHASER  [Team Member]
8/23/2009 3:16:01 PM
You've just joined and already determined a particular MOS won't be of use after military service, even though you have zero experience in either MOS. OTAY!

Unless you get to be an NCO and some leadership years under your belt in the military, your service won't qualify you for much anyway. Don't be narrow minded about what military service can do for you as far as future jobs. I was a career rocket artillery guy and am working a civilian contractor job doing force protection and emergency management. Nothing I do is remotely close to what my MOS was but I was qualified becuase of my experience in multiple areas..

Be carefull about changing jobs while in the DEP. In order to book a new job, you have to be released from your current MOS. I was a recruiter and saw DEPrs loose both the old MOS and the one they wanted wasn't available. Unless the system has changed, you will be released from your current contract before you can begin to look for another. If timing is bad, you might get stuck with an MOS you don't want. Any bonuses or station of choice options will also be lost unless offered with the new MOS as well. I was a detailed recruiter for 3 years.

If you're looking at military service as a way to get a better job after your service is up, you need to rethink why you are even joining. This is after all a selfless service career choice.
Infantry26  [Team Member]
8/23/2009 11:32:45 PM
But you're always going to wonder what it would have been like being an 11B...

So here's your summary, 99.9% you hate life to the fullest extent possible.
That other .1% of the time makes up for all of it.

If I had to do it again I wouldn't change a thing.
GETTING OUT IN 3 WEEKS!!
21BoomCBTENGR  [Member]
8/24/2009 9:08:10 AM
Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
You've just joined and already determined a particular MOS won't be of use after military service, even though you have zero experience in either MOS. OTAY!

Unless you get to be an NCO and some leadership years under your belt in the military, your service won't qualify you for much anyway. Don't be narrow minded about what military service can do for you as far as future jobs. I was a career rocket artillery guy and am working a civilian contractor job doing force protection and emergency management. Nothing I do is remotely close to what my MOS was but I was qualified becuase of my experience in multiple areas..

Be carefull about changing jobs while in the DEP. In order to book a new job, you have to be released from your current MOS. I was a recruiter and saw DEPrs loose both the old MOS and the one they wanted wasn't available. Unless the system has changed, you will be released from your current contract before you can begin to look for another. If timing is bad, you might get stuck with an MOS you don't want. Any bonuses or station of choice options will also be lost unless offered with the new MOS as well. I was a detailed recruiter for 3 years.

If you're looking at military service as a way to get a better job after your service is up, you need to rethink why you are even joining. This is after all a selfless service career choice.


This. And if 12B was full, i'd have gone 19D, second best gig in the service, those guys have fun.

TANGOCHASER  [Team Member]
8/24/2009 3:32:45 PM
Combat Arms jobs are a guaranteed way to do see things and do shit you'd never dream of. The adrenaline of combat and the feeling of being on a tight team who "no shit" depend on each other's lives can not be be described. It must be experienced. What good is time in the Army and still end up count your manhood cheap because you didn't experience all the Army life has to offer?

My philosophy;

If you're gonna join, go combat arms.

If you go combat arms, be a bullet shooter.

Go Airborne if you have the chance.

Volunteer for everything. That's where "Been There, Done That" begins.
kudzu630  [Member]
8/25/2009 11:54:56 AM
If you want to change your MOS then do it. But if you signed up for 19D you must of thought about doing that for a bit. Why not do it and then reclass? Plenty of guys do it all the time. Make your rounds as a 19D, have fun in the Humvees, Strykers, and Brads then reclass to the aviation field.

As for the rest of the guys... you had your goals and others have theirs. "Selfless service" don't mean nothing if you don't like the job and you become jaded and discontent with everything around you.

OP, some guys may look down the soft skilled MOS but so bet it, fact is we all rely on each other to do the ultimate job. Cogs in the machine is what we are and when one breaks the efficency takes a hit. You need someone to get shooters on target and that includes pilots, crew chiefs, and the mechanics that make it all happen. They need the supply guy and Air Force or Army ATC directing the mess on the airfield. They need that ops guy sending up the mission request...

TANGOCHASER  [Team Member]
8/25/2009 3:00:32 PM
There is no guarantee that any soldier can reclass later into the MOS they want. That option is driven by the "IN and Out" call for that MOS. If you sign up for an understrength MOS, you may not be allowed to reclass out of that MOS. Reenlist or ETS maybe your only option. If you can reclass because your MOS is balanced or overstrength, the MOS you want has to have a "Yes" on the "IN" call. The MOS you want maybe overstrength and you will not be allowed to reclass into that MOS.

There is also no guarantee that MOS he wants will be offered or available if he attempts to change it as I mention already.

The term "selfless service" is just that. The OP stated that he was considering changing MOS so he could benefit more after leaving the military. That is not "selfless service". That is self serving service. Yes you want to pick an MOS you think you'll like but military service is also what you make of it. Most soldiers do not know if they like their MOS until after they spend time within that MOS. You don't know what you don't know. The OP is considering changing his MOS without benefit of any actual knowledge on either MOS.

William Putnam
1SG, USA
Retired, 26 years
boomhower  [Member]
8/25/2009 3:08:03 PM
"But if you signed up for 19D you must of thought about doing that for a bit. Why not do it and then reclass? Plenty of guys do it all the time. "
This is what i think im going to do, thanks for the info guys.
kudzu630  [Member]
8/26/2009 1:11:14 PM
Just keep in your mind the goals you have for yourself. Set out to do them and do them.

Aviation is always a field in need so if in 4 years or whatever your contract time is you're likely able to get it.

And yes, selfless service is a value we hold in the Army but its one that has to matter. There's sucking it up and driving it on and then there's just hating life becuase of choices you made early on. As a 1SG I'm sure you've seen plenty of kids get that way after only a short time in in the Army. The OP is a kid (no matter how old you are, you're a kid to me) who's lookign for something that he'll like to do, want to succeed at, so he can have an opportunity to do well when he gets out. The Army sells itself and it also turns folks away, Joe will make up his own mind as he goes along and I'd rather have a Joe in a job he likes than one that he hates, which in my field gets you booted out of the Army.

TANGOCHASER  [Team Member]
8/26/2009 4:03:27 PM
And yes, selfless service is a value we hold in the Army but its one that has to matter. There's sucking it up and driving it on and then there's just hating life becuase of choices you made early on. As a 1SG I'm sure you've seen plenty of kids get that way after only a short time in in the Army. The OP is a kid (no matter how old you are, you're a kid to me) who's lookign for something that he'll like to do, want to succeed at, so he can have an opportunity to do well when he gets out. The Army sells itself and it also turns folks away, Joe will make up his own mind as he goes along and I'd rather have a Joe in a job he likes than one that he hates, which in my field gets you booted out of the Army.


I get what your saying. My point was, the OP is making decisions on MOSs without benefit of any knowledge of either MOS. The OP is thinking about a job with a direct civilian equivilant while not having any knowledge of the other attributes that can be gained and are sought by employers. Doing so, really limits the OP on future emlpoyment. If all he wants to be is a mechanic, more power to him. But again, he's making descisions without benefit of knowledge of either MOS.

I retired a rocket red leg artilleryman but am making 6 figures working in a job that has no direct or indirect rocket artillery aspects. I just want to OP to not write off 19D as not having a future outside the Army and I want him to understand that changing his MOS is not a guarantee down the road nor is the ability to change it to an MOS he wants. He may not be given the opportunity to change MOS or even offered the one he wants. I much prefer the OP get a reality check than hopeful, wishful suggestions.

My first thought was the OP is having buyer's remorse.
Shadow4Golf  [Team Member]
8/26/2009 4:32:42 PM
oh never mind
boomhower  [Member]
8/26/2009 4:41:52 PM
Originally Posted By Shadow4Golf:
oh never mind


im sent...
cavscouty  [Team Member]
8/26/2009 4:58:58 PM
Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
And yes, selfless service is a value we hold in the Army but its one that has to matter. There's sucking it up and driving it on and then there's just hating life becuase of choices you made early on. As a 1SG I'm sure you've seen plenty of kids get that way after only a short time in in the Army. The OP is a kid (no matter how old you are, you're a kid to me) who's lookign for something that he'll like to do, want to succeed at, so he can have an opportunity to do well when he gets out. The Army sells itself and it also turns folks away, Joe will make up his own mind as he goes along and I'd rather have a Joe in a job he likes than one that he hates, which in my field gets you booted out of the Army.


I get what your saying. My point was, the OP is making decisions on MOSs without benefit of any knowledge of either MOS. The OP is thinking about a job with a direct civilian equivilant while not having any knowledge of the other attributes that can be gained and are sought by employers. Doing so, really limits the OP on future emlpoyment. If all he wants to be is a mechanic, more power to him. But again, he's making descisions without benefit of knowledge of either MOS.

I retired a rocket red leg artilleryman but am making 6 figures working in a job that has no direct or indirect rocket artillery aspects. I just want to OP to not write off 19D as not having a future outside the Army and I want him to understand that changing his MOS is not a guarantee down the road nor is the ability to change it to an MOS he wants. He may not be given the opportunity to change MOS or even offered the one he wants. I much prefer the OP get a reality check than hopeful, wishful suggestions.

My first thought was the OP is having buyer's remorse.

Right. Boomhower posted in general discussion the other day that he was quote,"stoked" about his enlistment to be a cavalry man. Not 50 minutes later he asked, in the same thread, "Can I change my MOS?" No shit, check it out. He doesn't have a clue what he wants to do.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=908238



boomhower  [Member]
8/26/2009 5:53:08 PM

Right. Boomhower posted in general discussion the other day that he was quote,"stoked" about his enlistment to be a cavalry man. Not 50 minutes later he asked, in the same thread, "Can I change my MOS?" No shit, check it out. He doesn't have a clue what he wants to do.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=908238



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Whoa boss. Take it easy. I dont think i had buyers remorse, just some second thoughts. I am aware that its a selfless service however i still want to do what i think will best suit me in the long run. Theres nothing wrong with that right? As for not having a clue what i want to do thats kinda bullshit. Its just hard to get an idea of what certain jobs are like listening to what the recuiters have to say. As far as changing the mos im not going to after much thought. I asked about 15 series, there were some avaliable however they came with 6 year contracts. One of the reasons i went with 19d was the fact of a 3 year contract...
kudzu630  [Member]
8/27/2009 3:37:15 AM
Originally Posted By cavscouty:
My first thought was the OP is having buyer's remorse.

Right. Boomhower posted in general discussion the other day that he was quote,"stoked" about his enlistment to be a cavalry man. Not 50 minutes later he asked, in the same thread, "Can I change my MOS?" No shit, check it out. He doesn't have a clue what he wants to do.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=908238
[/quote]

Second thoughts are fine and we all get them from time to time. And as a young kid coming in the Army we got them almost every day. With you're monkier you know you like it and are so cocksure of it you think everyone will like it. Good for you but that's not reality. He's a recruit and deserves the benefit of the doubt before making the leap. Now once in at basic training and he has any issues that's another story.

boomhower, you'll be fine with being a cav scout but if you want to change later, just keep that in mind. Make the Army work for you while you work for it.
TimJ  [Moderator]
8/27/2009 8:54:06 AM
A friend of mine retired a couple of years ago. He started out as an 11B, then went aviation- he enjoyed flying around in Blackhawks so much he wanted to do it full time. Because of his prior infantry experience the pilots wanted him with them when they did risky missions. he got picked for a lot of cool stuff because they knew he knew how to handle himself, either manning the door gun or for the chance they wound up on the ground.
Don't give up on 19D yet. the background can help you in the future.
Bohr_Adam  [Life Member]
8/27/2009 1:30:27 PM
Originally Posted By kudzu630:
Originally Posted By cavscouty:
My first thought was the OP is having buyer's remorse.

Right. Boomhower posted in general discussion the other day that he was quote,"stoked" about his enlistment to be a cavalry man. Not 50 minutes later he asked, in the same thread, "Can I change my MOS?" No shit, check it out. He doesn't have a clue what he wants to do.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=908238


Second thoughts are fine and we all get them from time to time. And as a young kid coming in the Army we got them almost every day. With you're monkier you know you like it and are so cocksure of it you think everyone will like it. Good for you but that's not reality. He's a recruit and deserves the benefit of the doubt before making the leap. Now once in at basic training and he has any issues that's another story.

boomhower, you'll be fine with being a cav scout but if you want to change later, just keep that in mind. Make the Army work for you while you work for it.
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Holy Crap!

If this is the case, he should definitely go 19D. It is one of the best MOS's out there for young Joes, and will get him plenty of exposure to other stuff for a guy still so unsure of what he wants to do.

zackjsimpson  [Member]
10/7/2009 4:26:09 PM
Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:
Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
You've just joined and already determined a particular MOS won't be of use after military service, even though you have zero experience in either MOS. OTAY!

Unless you get to be an NCO and some leadership years under your belt in the military, your service won't qualify you for much anyway. Don't be narrow minded about what military service can do for you as far as future jobs. I was a career rocket artillery guy and am working a civilian contractor job doing force protection and emergency management. Nothing I do is remotely close to what my MOS was but I was qualified becuase of my experience in multiple areas..

Be carefull about changing jobs while in the DEP. In order to book a new job, you have to be released from your current MOS. I was a recruiter and saw DEPrs loose both the old MOS and the one they wanted wasn't available. Unless the system has changed, you will be released from your current contract before you can begin to look for another. If timing is bad, you might get stuck with an MOS you don't want. Any bonuses or station of choice options will also be lost unless offered with the new MOS as well. I was a detailed recruiter for 3 years.

If you're looking at military service as a way to get a better job after your service is up, you need to rethink why you are even joining. This is after all a selfless service career choice.


This. And if 12B was full, i'd have gone 19D, second best gig in the service, those guys have fun.



I tried to go 19D, they werent taking any so I went with the next best, 21B. I love it, you get to spend all kinds of time in missouri going to schools and playing with explosives. The first time you go back to Leanordwood you realize it wasnt nearly as bad as you thought it was in basic lol. I get to come back here after Afghanistan to go to Sapper and EOCA, wish I could get em before but we're pretty much out of time till we get on the birds to go now.

scoutfsu99  [Team Member]
10/8/2009 8:45:48 AM
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Whoa boss. Take it easy. I dont think i had buyers remorse, just some second thoughts. I am aware that its a selfless service however i still want to do what i think will best suit me in the long run. Theres nothing wrong with that right? As for not having a clue what i want to do thats kinda bullshit. Its just hard to get an idea of what certain jobs are like listening to what the recuiters have to say. As far as changing the mos im not going to after much thought. I asked about 15 series, there were some avaliable however they came with 6 year contracts. One of the reasons i went with 19d was the fact of a 3 year contract...



.........so you're going to try and be a Scout because it has the shortest enlistment? Awesome.
zackjsimpson  [Member]
10/8/2009 10:43:01 PM
3 years is barely long enough to even get a taste of what the Army has to offer. In 3 years you might see 2 deployments if you get stop lossed at the end. You'll see one base stateside most likely, and as a 19D probably wont even get past SPC. I signed up for 4 originally and as soon as I hit my window, I'm re enlisting for at least another 4. Getting Sapper and airbone in my contract as well. Dont really need to with the way they hand out schools on Bragg but I want it guaranteed.
Wall_E  [Member]
10/13/2009 2:51:50 PM
Combat Arms is the way to go - BUT, I wanted something that was combat arms and something that translated well in the civilian world.

So needless to say I am now at Fort Sam Houston doing my AIT to be a 68W (Combat Medic)

So now I can save lives and take lives. Infantry / Cav Scout First - Medic Second. Hooah.


MHIDPA  [Member]
10/14/2009 5:36:22 PM
<=====19D, Graduated in March. If you want to test yourself, and know that when you Graduate from OSUT you have overcome the toughest IET that the Army has to offer then sitck with it. You will get to do some kick ass stuff. It will be hard. Nothing worth haveing is easy. Your service will be important no matter what your MOS is. But as others have said, join for the service to the country. Not as a way to avoid flipping burgers. But you will hold your head high knowing that you have what it takes to be a U.S. Cavalryman