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Angel_King  [Team Member]
8/3/2010 7:54:12 PM
Ok, I work the night shift (0001-0800) in the TOC. I was told that since im the only one working on that shift I am not allowed to leave besides to use the latrine. Also the Sergeant Major doesnt allow food in the TOC. When I brought this up to my NCO and asked when and where am I supposed to eat he said I'll just have to drink water for 8 hours.
Is there any Army regulation or policy on having to be allowed to eat after so many hours on duty?
die-tryin  [Team Member]
8/3/2010 8:00:40 PM
How long you been in the military? You certainly arent USMC.

Maybe take it up with your HR department, oh wait, that is for private sector, your in the military.

welcome to the military.

When I was in the Marines, we did what we needed to. I was only hungry once and never again. There is always a way - Improvise, Adapt and Overcome, you can borrow that if you want.

How long do you need to eat? Im thinking your latrine break with a minute or two added to wolf some food down would be suffice.
COLT113  [Member]
8/3/2010 8:03:22 PM
many hours on caffeine, and nicotine coffee and Cope its the way of the SUCK
scoutfsu99  [Team Member]
8/3/2010 8:20:57 PM
So you're the only guy working for that 8 hrs? There is no NCOIC? No OIC? No one else? That sounds ..... strange to say the least.
Waldo0506  [Team Member]
8/3/2010 8:33:58 PM
add protein powder to your water.
82nd_Sapper  [Team Member]
8/3/2010 8:43:28 PM
nevermind.

Edit: You are not in basic training anymore.
phurba  [Life Member]
8/3/2010 8:48:16 PM
Go into hibernation mode and survive on your fat stores.
Berzerker77  [Team Member]
8/3/2010 8:54:36 PM
Originally Posted By Angel_King:
Ok, I work the night shift (0001-0800) in the TOC. I was told that since im the only one working on that shift I am not allowed to leave besides to use the latrine. Also the Sergeant Major doesnt allow food in the TOC. When I brought this up to my NCO and asked when and where am I supposed to eat he said I'll just have to drink water for 8 hours.
Is there any Army regulation or policy on having to be allowed to eat after so many hours on duty?


First off, where are your balls? Secondly What the SGM don't know aint gonna hurt him. You have pockets on those fancy ACU trousers.....fuckin use em.

Rat fuck a few MREs and eat em cold if you need food to survive. Good god man, adapt and overcome.

Cixelsyd  [Life Member]
8/3/2010 8:54:52 PM

Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
So you're the only guy working for that 8 hrs? There is no NCOIC? No OIC? No one else? That sounds ..... strange to say the least.

Yep. Your TOC is all kinds of fucked up.


CHRIS
sandblaster  [Team Member]
8/3/2010 9:00:55 PM
Next time your CQ - MRE crackers + Jalepeno chesse spread
Berzerker77  [Team Member]
8/3/2010 9:18:49 PM
Originally Posted By sandblaster:
Next time your CQ - MRE crackers + Jalepeno chesse spread


Negative! Crackers are too messy and you know it! Wheat snack bread and bacon cheese spread!
douglasmorris99  [Team Member]
8/3/2010 9:44:46 PM
WTF are you joking or what,,

are you a WAC?


thought they all went the way of the 1911 combat pistol and a POTUS with a spine.?



hell, I once went 4 days with no sleep, drinking ditch water and eating maggoty rice I pulled off a dead VC compined with some little black pills all was right with my world
did you do BOOT?



where is that "Son I disappoint" pic

I know there are some great boys in girls in the service today,,GREAT doing a GREAT JOB attempting to keep America at the TOP OF THE LIST of who NOT TO FUCK WITH..

but YOU....are a whole nother story
Angel_King  [Team Member]
8/3/2010 10:35:02 PM
Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:

hell, I once went 4 days with no sleep, drinking ditch water and eating maggoty rice I pulled off a dead VC compined with some little black pills all was right with my world
did you do BOOT?


And did the rest of your unit have hot field chow to eat but your NCO said you could not have any because you had to guard the perimeter all by yourself?

I'm just asking for 20 damn minutes to go grab a ham sandwich. Which I dont thinks is asking to much especially when the other to shifts a two people and after they eat. They come back to the tent and sleep for an hour before going back to work and switch off, to include the NCO above.

I know I'm not badass cock diesel combat killer like yourself, but I just want some parity.
_DR  [Team Member]
8/3/2010 11:03:50 PM


Meh give a can of cope and I'm good for 24 hours.
phurba  [Life Member]
8/3/2010 11:33:15 PM
Originally Posted By _DR:


Meh give a can of cope and I'm good for 24 hours.


Cope long cut and some caffeine and away we go!
JSteensen  [Team Member]
8/3/2010 11:37:45 PM
Holeeeeee Shiyt....8 hours without food?

Fucking stick a granola bar in the cargo pocket!
Berzerker77  [Team Member]
8/3/2010 11:40:54 PM
Originally Posted By Angel_King:
Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:

hell, I once went 4 days with no sleep, drinking ditch water and eating maggoty rice I pulled off a dead VC compined with some little black pills all was right with my world
did you do BOOT?


And did the rest of your unit have hot field chow to eat but your NCO said you could not have any because you had to guard the perimeter all by yourself?

I'm just asking for 20 damn minutes to go grab a ham sandwich. Which I dont thinks is asking to much especially when the other to shifts a two people and after they eat. They come back to the tent and sleep for an hour before going back to work and switch off, to include the NCO above.

I know I'm not badass cock diesel combat killer like yourself, but I just want some parity.


You pissed someone off.

Martlet  [Team Member]
8/4/2010 7:17:53 AM
Originally Posted By phurba:
Originally Posted By _DR:


Meh give a can of cope and I'm good for 24 hours.


Cope long cut and some caffeine and away we go!


Winner Winner!
Wayward_Texan  [Team Member]
8/4/2010 9:37:58 AM
Originally Posted By Berzerker77:


You pissed someone off.



probably by whining...
suck it up buttercup
douglasmorris99  [Team Member]
8/4/2010 9:51:44 AM
Originally Posted By Angel_King:
Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:

hell, I once went 4 days with no sleep, drinking ditch water and eating maggoty rice I pulled off a dead VC combined with some little black pills all was right with my world
did you do BOOT?


And did the rest of your unit have hot field chow to eat but your NCO said you could not have any because you had to guard the perimeter all by yourself?

I'm just asking for 20 damn minutes to go grab a ham sandwich. Which I dont thinks is asking to much especially when the other to shifts a two people and after they eat. They come back to the tent and sleep for an hour before going back to work and switch off, to include the NCO above.

I know I'm not badass cock diesel combat killer like yourself, but I just want some parity.


I dont know what the rest of my unit was doing, I was too busy staying alive, nor did I care..I had a job to do, as did my mates.and we did it as assigned, using what ever it took..

Parity, is that some liberal girly word you learned in high school,,do you need a hug, did your mommy spank you once and hurt your feeling? Were you some union puke before joining up?

Christ on the cross. that whole dont ask dont tell is true enough aint it....you are in the Military of the Greatest country on the globe, you Volunteered, you put your name on the line to do or die..and come to a public forum whining like a 12 yr old,,and get offended when called on it..no wonder we got the Girly-Man in Chief at 1600...
ljh824  [Team Member]
8/4/2010 11:04:24 AM
Are you running secure comms? Do they still have TPI? Why are you the only one there. Like others have said, what the Sgt Maj doesn't know, wont hurt him. On watch at 0300, I don't think anyone will care if you break out a powerbar or something.
Falcon09  [Team Member]
8/4/2010 11:22:16 AM
Berzerker77  [Team Member]
8/4/2010 12:05:53 PM


Even the Sergeant Major thinks you are a dumb ass!

XD_Fan  [Team Member]
8/4/2010 1:30:01 PM
I seem to remember hearing a sea lawyer or two say something about the only guarantee on food being one meal a day. The word hot may have been thrown in there too.

That was in the Navy. I remember as a kid when we'd go over to Ft. Leonard Wood you had to stand up to eat in the cafeteria at the PX. As we'd drive through the range area the soldiers would have to stand to eat out there too. My Dad, retired MCPO, always commented about how stupid the Army could be.
Bettendorf  [Team Member]
8/4/2010 8:22:32 PM
A couple things.

OP, it appears no one likes you. That or your NCOs are garbage. Also, just put some chow in your packet from the chowhall. And another thing, be grateful it's only 8 hours. Most TOCs are a 12 hour shift from what I've seen. It was pretty laid back when I've worked 12 hour shifts in the TOC. Have someone watch your phone and go to the gym. After the gym, ya get yourself some breakfast. Made to order eggs...mmm. Then, head back to work and send out emails. I did usually get orders for food from the guys who had to work and couldn't leave. Go grab your balls and TELL your NCO that you're off to the chowhall.

Originally Posted By Angel_King:

Is there any Army regulation or policy on having to be allowed to eat after so many hours on duty?

Now that's funny.
tweeter  [Team Member]
8/5/2010 11:13:26 PM
It sounds like you have a shit-stick first-line supervisor.

Sneak food in, have someone watch your retarded CPOF console and go eat... or suffer for a whopping 8 hours on a chair in the air-conditioning.


It's not rocket-surgery.
CAsoldier  [Team Member]
8/5/2010 11:24:14 PM
CPOF sucks. i always felt bad for that guy.

that late at night no one is around. fuck em, eat something jesus. its afghanistan, bring a bag, put an MRE in it or some of those gatorade shakes. i got in less trouble for fucking the cute navy chick behind the toc. wtf troop?
tweeter  [Team Member]
8/5/2010 11:52:57 PM
Originally Posted By CAsoldier:
CPOF sucks. i always felt bad for that guy.

that late at night no one is around. fuck em, eat something jesus. its afghanistan, bring a bag, put an MRE in it or some of those gatorade shakes. i got in less trouble for fucking the cute navy chick behind the toc. wtf troop?



Gives a whole new meaning to the term "fucking squids".



CAsoldier  [Team Member]
8/6/2010 12:33:16 AM
Originally Posted By tweeter:
Originally Posted By CAsoldier:
CPOF sucks. i always felt bad for that guy.

that late at night no one is around. fuck em, eat something jesus. its afghanistan, bring a bag, put an MRE in it or some of those gatorade shakes. i got in less trouble for fucking the cute navy chick behind the toc. wtf troop?



Gives a whole new meaning to the term "fucking squids".

http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt51/550cored/dude.jpg



thanks tweeter

fuckin SOG was driving around the base in the hilux with his nods on and saw us between the two buildings. SSG my-MP-buddy told me the next day as i was filling water cans for a mission that the guy logged it in his book but that that sheet of paper dissapeared. strange
snaggletooth1925  [Team Member]
8/13/2010 12:34:59 PM
I had that problem when I was an armorer. Wasnt allowed to eat in the arms room but couldnt leave either. Plus I was told I didnt get meal breaks because I got BAS. You have to be afforded an opportunity to have meals unless mission dictates. Best bet is to ask for a relief to bring you chow and watch the TOC for you while you eat.
gilliemist  [Member]
8/17/2010 12:59:30 PM
The only thing that is really stated is that you need to be given the oppertunity to eat, but what it does not state is how long so they can say go eat but be back in 30 sec if they want. Like the others say gatorade shakes (since they let you drink in the TOC) and bars in your pockets if you cant eat in the TOC then I hope you can drink and eat while you use the porta john. Who are you with in Afghanistan anyways?
TANGOCHASER  [Team Member]
8/18/2010 4:31:47 AM
You seriously need to see your Battalion CDR on his open door policy. If you are missing meals on a regular basis due to fucked up rules by the CSM, this stupidity needs to be brought to the CDRs attention. When does your CoC think your supposed to eat, when your sleepoing between shifts?

This is a clear failure to take care of the welfare of a soldier and is a violation of the NCO creed. And it just doesn't pass the commen sense test. Ask the CSM if it's ok to eat cold food in the TOC so there is no lingering smell from your late night red beans and rice. Subs should be fine if you clean up your mess or even a cold MRE.

If your battalion CDR can't fix this, then this calls for selective compliance. If you're the only one in the TOC then sneak in some easily hidden food and snack when you can.
zackjsimpson  [Team Member]
8/22/2010 8:03:11 AM
sounds pretty shitty. I got moved into an armorer spot 9 months into our deployment off an RCP, so I guess I was just used to not eating much. We had "normal" 6 hour missions turn into 23 or longer quite a bit, so I'd eat whenever I could get my hands off the wheel. Eating in the military is kind of a secondary to the mission at hand. Like they say though, if you aint cheating, you aint trying, and if you get caught, you weren't trying hard enough. Make it work. METT-C dictates in this situation, and I guess it would dictate me to have pockets full of power bars and a mini fridge full of sugar-free ripits to make it through my 8 hour shift. Or just suck it up, every local outside the gates doesnt eat a damn thing from sun up till sundown right now, and do way harder work and no air conditioning at all. Drink water and drive on I guess if you have to.
rooster4bravo  [Team Member]
8/22/2010 8:37:42 AM
I'm just going to say that the telling on the CSM route probably won't go very well for you. Assuming you came here and got the answer you want, going and ratting him out is not going to suddenly make all your problems go away. Hell, even the open door policy will likely make your life far harder than you want it to be. Next thing you know, you'll be calling your Congressman.

I'm going to assume this isn't the first time you've been treated unfairly. Keep pushing the issue and it will spiral out of control.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and make a wild guess that the CSM doesn't really give a shit if you eat in there. He doesn't want you to get caught eating in there. If he gives the OK to eat in there, there will soon be a fucking mess everywhere because joe doesn't know how to clean up after himself. CSM doesn't have the time to come and cause joe to stop fucking the place up with thier Burger King wrappers.

So, sneak your food in, eat it, clean up after yourself, and take your trash with you. It's not about eating in the TOC, its about not having any evidence that anyone ever ate in the toc. It's about not having a toc that constantly reeks of Doritos.
Reservist  [Team Member]
8/23/2010 1:59:41 AM
Originally Posted By Angel_King:
Ok, I work the night shift (0001-0800) in the TOC. I was told that since im the only one working on that shift I am not allowed to leave besides to use the latrine. Also the Sergeant Major doesnt allow food in the TOC. When I brought this up to my NCO and asked when and where am I supposed to eat he said I'll just have to drink water for 8 hours.
Is there any Army regulation or policy on having to be allowed to eat after so many hours on duty?


Alright your first mistake was picking an MOS in which you ended up working in a TOC i could go on but i wont.

But really the solution to your problem is that you need to realize how dumb your NCO will look if he gives you a consoling statement about something that doesn't make sense. So what you do is run through the possible things he could write down on a negative consoling statement and if none of them are valid then disobey his command.

Example: When i was in A-stan I was told i need to play less video games as an order, but i had a passing PT test and company performance was 100% and i only played on my down time, so i ignored him. So the piece of shit NCO came at me again so i told him no and if he had a problem then he could write the consoling statement and i would sign it, of course he didn't because you can't console a soldier on how he spends his free time.

Have you ever heard the saying "play the game" well do it, if your smarter then someone in charge of you then play the game and find your way around them.
scoutfsu99  [Team Member]
8/23/2010 10:34:09 AM
Originally Posted By Reservist:
Originally Posted By Angel_King:
Ok, I work the night shift (0001-0800) in the TOC. I was told that since im the only one working on that shift I am not allowed to leave besides to use the latrine. Also the Sergeant Major doesnt allow food in the TOC. When I brought this up to my NCO and asked when and where am I supposed to eat he said I'll just have to drink water for 8 hours.
Is there any Army regulation or policy on having to be allowed to eat after so many hours on duty?


Alright your first mistake was picking an MOS in which you ended up working in a TOC i could go on but i wont.

But really the solution to your problem is that you need to realize how dumb your NCO will look if he gives you a consoling statement about something that doesn't make sense. So what you do is run through the possible things he could write down on a negative consoling statement and if none of them are valid then disobey his command.

Example: When i was in A-stan I was told i need to play less video games as an order, but i had a passing PT test and company performance was 100% and i only played on my down time, so i ignored him. So the piece of shit NCO came at me again so i told him no and if he had a problem then he could write the consoling statement and i would sign it, of course he didn't because you can't console a soldier on how he spends his free time.

Have you ever heard the saying "play the game" well do it, if your smarter then someone in charge of you then play the game and find your way around them.



*edited*

nevermind

mgwantob  [Team Member]
8/23/2010 3:51:43 PM
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
Originally Posted By Reservist:
Originally Posted By Angel_King:
Ok, I work the night shift (0001-0800) in the TOC. I was told that since im the only one working on that shift I am not allowed to leave besides to use the latrine. Also the Sergeant Major doesnt allow food in the TOC. When I brought this up to my NCO and asked when and where am I supposed to eat he said I'll just have to drink water for 8 hours.
Is there any Army regulation or policy on having to be allowed to eat after so many hours on duty?


Alright your first mistake was picking an MOS in which you ended up working in a TOC i could go on but i wont.

But really the solution to your problem is that you need to realize how dumb your NCO will look if he gives you a consoling statement about something that doesn't make sense. So what you do is run through the possible things he could write down on a negative consoling statement and if none of them are valid then disobey his command.

Example: When i was in A-stan I was told i need to play less video games as an order, but i had a passing PT test and company performance was 100% and i only played on my down time, so i ignored him. So the piece of shit NCO came at me again so i told him no and if he had a problem then he could write the consoling statement and i would sign it, of course he didn't because you can't console a soldier on how he spends his free time.

Have you ever heard the saying "play the game" well do it, if your smarter then someone in charge of you then play the game and find your way around them.



*edited*

nevermind



Of course an NCO can counsel you for playing video games too much. If you're supervisor noticed you are playing too many video games, it was probably because it was affecting your work performance. Video games are a privilege, you are not entitled to them in theatre.

To the TOC issue: Your shift is only 8 hours. Bring a few cliff bars in your pocket or something. This is not rocket science. The soldiers in my TOC work 12hr shifts, so you are lucky. They are brought take-out from the DFAC in the middle of their shift. We take care our current-ops, your unit obviously doesnt.
USMCRONIN  [Member]
8/23/2010 4:00:52 PM
LOL, I see the next post by the OP that starts off: "at first I didn't get a lunch break, no food for 8 hours, but now I have to eat a 12 year old MRE..." In other words becafeful what you ask for.

Simple.... eat before you go on duty, wow man reality what a concept....

Man up this is the military not the Cub Scouts.... at least your inside.

No one has died becuase they missed a meal for 8 hours.

P.S. from what of see of today military more then a few soilder could stand to miss a few meals.

you must have missed that recuriting poster that said "we never promised you a rose garden"
kudzu630  [Team Member]
8/23/2010 6:27:04 PM
oopps delete
kudzu630  [Team Member]
8/23/2010 6:29:23 PM
There's no regulatory guidance on how much time you're supposed to have. Just that you're supposed to be afford 3 meals day, whether they are hot or not is up to your supervisors. It sounds like you have shitty leadership. No reason you can't cut Joe a break in the TOC for 30-45 minutes to get some food to keep going for the rest of his shift. Shit ain't that important unless there's a fight going on.
Berzerker77  [Team Member]
8/24/2010 2:32:08 AM
Originally Posted By kudzu630:
There's no regulatory guidance on how much time you're supposed to have. Just that you're supposed to be afford 3 meals day, whether they are hot or not is up to your supervisors. It sounds like you have shitty leadership. No reason you can't cut Joe a break in the TOC for 30-45 minutes to get some food to keep going for the rest of his shift. Shit ain't that important(to people not on a power trip) unless there's a fight going on.


Fixed that for you.

161Infantry  [Team Member]
8/24/2010 2:43:04 AM
I'd send all of you to 5 hours of Death by PP for sensitivity training......
Hawken50  [Team Member]
8/24/2010 2:47:07 AM

Originally Posted By CAsoldier:
CPOF sucks. i always felt bad for that guy.

that late at night no one is around. fuck em, eat something jesus. its afghanistan, bring a bag, put an MRE in it or some of those gatorade shakes. i got in less trouble for fucking the cute navy chick behind the toc. wtf troop?

You know how I know you're lying?


kudzu630  [Team Member]
8/25/2010 1:18:19 AM
Originally Posted By Berzerker77:
Originally Posted By kudzu630:
There's no regulatory guidance on how much time you're supposed to have. Just that you're supposed to be afford 3 meals day, whether they are hot or not is up to your supervisors. It sounds like you have shitty leadership. No reason you can't cut Joe a break in the TOC for 30-45 minutes to get some food to keep going for the rest of his shift. Shit ain't that important(to people not on a power trip) unless there's a fight going on.


Fixed that for you.



Thanks, you are correct on that. I am experiencing such ass pain right now. Proof that even us 7s have to put up with BS.
freeflow  [Team Member]
8/27/2010 12:07:06 AM
Suck it up.....





ffemt11b  [Team Member]
8/30/2010 12:34:30 AM
Is this thread really still active... WTF
21BoomCBTENGR  [Team Member]
8/30/2010 10:22:38 AM
::Newsflash:: Tonite at 11, the Army does stupid shit, troops find way to make do! ::Newsflash/::

seriously... wtf?
TANGOCHASER  [Team Member]
8/30/2010 6:33:46 PM
Posted by mgwantob;
Of course an NCO can counsel you for playing video games too much. If you're supervisor noticed you are playing too many video games, it was probably because it was affecting your work performance. Video games are a privilege, you are not entitled to them in theatre.


Bullshit! If there is no policy or regulation against playing video games on your of time, then there is no violation of an order, reg, or policy. Negative counseling statements end up as evidence in UCMJ proceedings. I'd like to see the article 15 for playing too many video games. WTF?

If the playing of video games is affecting his work performance, the counseling is for poor work performance, not playing video games. And the NCO would have to show how the playing of video games is affecting work performance. What constitutes "too many"? Completely subjective and JAG would laugh that request for UCMJ action out the door. NCOs can't just make shit up to counsel a soldier.

Video games in theatre are not a privilege because they not even covered under any existing regulations, policys, or orders. The term privilege or entitlement does not even apply here. They are private property not covered under any existing rules.

This soldier's supervisor needs to find something to do besides spy on his soldiers during their off time.

To the OP, approach the CSM and in a normal tone of voice, explain the issue with the no chow in the TOC rule and how that affects your ability to get 3 meals a day. Ask him if cold food is allowed as I mentioned earlier. If he blows you off, go see the BN CDR. If the CSM fucks with you for going to see the BN CDR, call the IG and make a complaint of retaliation by the CSM. He will leave you alone after that if it gets this far. Never be afraid to report abusive behavior by anyone in the CoC. Just have your facts straight and stand your ground.

I had to sick JAG on 2 of my BN CDRs for trying to screw me. Worked both times.
ffemt11b  [Team Member]
8/31/2010 5:37:34 PM
nevermind.
hawkin  [Team Member]
9/3/2010 10:46:47 PM
I say F em.. Bring food in a backpack.
Reservist  [Team Member]
9/4/2010 2:59:09 AM
Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
Posted by mgwantob;
Of course an NCO can counsel you for playing video games too much. If you're supervisor noticed you are playing too many video games, it was probably because it was affecting your work performance. Video games are a privilege, you are not entitled to them in theatre.


Bullshit! If there is no policy or regulation against playing video games on your of time, then there is no violation of an order, reg, or policy. Negative counseling statements end up as evidence in UCMJ proceedings. I'd like to see the article 15 for playing too many video games. WTF?

If the playing of video games is affecting his work performance, the counseling is for poor work performance, not playing video games. And the NCO would have to show how the playing of video games is affecting work performance. What constitutes "too many"? Completely subjective and JAG would laugh that request for UCMJ action out the door. NCOs can't just make shit up to counsel a soldier.

Video games in theatre are not a privilege because they not even covered under any existing regulations, policys, or orders. The term privilege or entitlement does not even apply here. They are private property not covered under any existing rules.

This soldier's supervisor needs to find something to do besides spy on his soldiers during their off time.




FUCKING THANK YOU. I didn't have a way to write it without sounding like an asshole, but that's exactly the point i was trying to get across.

Again I'm going to sound like an asshole but on average i feel like I'm smarter and bigger then the NCO's above me, so the bulk of the time i don't listen to anything they say or do anything they tell me to do. In fact on a regular basis i have to go to the new privates after said NCO's give retarded speeches and make sure the privates didn't buy into the bullshit, i have to give counter speeches why said NCO's are wrong. Because i don't want them listening to incoherent bullshit and then thinking its right, so when one day they are NCO's they are doing the same crap. It's every soldiers job to call out dumb motherfuckers regardless of rank. And if your an NCO and you can't handle a lower enlisted picking on you then sorry you shouldn't be an NCO.

And i live by that whole "if he cant put it on a consoling statement then tell him to fuck off" idea it has served me well and i recommend it too some lower enlisted.