.45 ACP Winchester RA45T vs. Federal P45HST2

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For for over a decade, agencies here have typically used the .45 ACP 230 gr Win Ranger Talon or Fed HST loads in both standard pressure and +P versions. The Federal standard pressure P45HST2 load is currently being issued at a large California agency. We tested this HST duty load in contrast to the new revised RA45T loading.

Winchester 230 gr Ranger Talon JHP (RA45T) fired from 1911 at an average velocity of 911 f/s; 5 shot average below:

 

Penetration

Recovered Diameter

Recovered Length

Recovered Weight

Bare Gelatin

12.3

0.70

0.44

227.2gr

4-layer denim

25.1

0.45

0.60

228.8gr

Auto glass

16.1

0.54

0.48

189.6gr

 

Fed HST 230 gr JHP (P45HST2) fired from 1911 at an average velocity of 879 f/s; 5 shot average below::

 

Penetration

Recovered Diameter

Recovered Length

Recovered Weight

Bare Gelatin

12.6

0.80

0.44

231.5gr

4-layer denim

13.4

0.55

0.71

231.2gr

Auto glass

16.3

0.54

0.58

230.6gr


We have previously seen issues with some RA45T loads failing to expand through 4LD, as discussed here: http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads...r=85659&page=3. We had hoped that the newer Ranger Talon design would no longer exhibit this issue--clearly it has not been fully resolved... In addition, the new Ranger Talon purportedly offers larger expansion of the "talons". Unfortunately, most of this additional expansion is behind the leading edge of the projectile, so it is less likely to be touching and cutting tissue, as the temporary cavity forming at the leading edge of the projectile can stretch the tissue away from the expanded talons at the back of the bullet.

The photo below illustrates current HST duty rounds to the left of the quarter--a BG shot is directly above a 4LD. To the right of the quarter is the 230 gr RA45T--top row into BG and bottom row into 4 LD. Note that one of the RA45T projectiles shot into BG is turned nose down to depict the wider expansion at the back of the bullet.