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Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:02:12 AM EDT
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Ukraine isn't making their 20 year commitment to the US arms industry, to many men dead.

The eternal war must go on.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:02:42 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By macro:
This pretty much sums things up.
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Originally Posted By macro:
Originally Posted By Millennial:
Europe gears up for war.
China gears up for war.

Meanwhile we're depleting our weapons stores shipping oodles of surplus to an unwinnable war (involving former soviets on both sides ), racking up even more debt sending aid to both sides of the jewish-palestinian conflict, draining our strategic reserves to keep prices low in an election year, and our DEI-qualified NCO's are making sure all our troops have sat through the latest woke PowerPoint training put together by their transsexual military brass while the Commander in Cheif transforms pudding cups into diaper shit.

We are so fucked.
This pretty much sums things up.


It's all fun and games until the petro dollar tanks....
Once our billion dollar checks don't cash we'll see how well the EU plays ball together.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:03:21 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:06:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AA717driver:
The U.S. Government is a far greater threat to me and my family than Russia, China and Iran.
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This.

Those other countries suck but if my family or I meet an untimely doom it is 99% probable that it was preventable and by the designs of some creep in DC.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:10:17 AM EDT
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Have the powers & principalities been doing everything possible to weaken America culturally, economically and militarily? Could the timeline to diminish and transform nation-states like America, China and Russia be sped up if there was a world war pitting America against both Russia and China? Such a world war could go nuclear and kill a third of mankind, resulting in the survivors screaming "this must never happen again" and thus create the conditions needed to finally transform the world into a NWO and a one-world gov't, that will never again fight itself. The globalist dream of a one-world politic, one-world religion and one-world military would be achieved. Add AI, social scoring and digital currency to the mix plus a charismatic global leader who would deceive many, and you have the recipe for great tribulation. Just kidding....
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:11:14 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:14:05 AM EDT
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NATO did a fantastic job in Afghanistan. I'm sure the Russians are scared shitless.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:16:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By snubfan:
Have the powers & principalities been doing everything possible to weaken America culturally, economically and militarily? Could the timeline to diminish and transform nation-states like America, China and Russia be sped up if there was a world war pitting America against both Russia and China? Such a world war could go nuclear and kill a third of mankind, resulting in the survivors screaming "this must never happen again" and thus create the conditions needed to finally transform the world into a NWO and a one-world gov't, that will never again fight itself. The globalist dream of a one-world politic, one-world religion and one-world military would be achieved. Add AI, social scoring and digital currency to the mix plus a charismatic global leader who would deceive many, and you have the recipe for great tribulation. Just kidding....
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Killing off a third of the global population today would result in the same global population of ~1980.

Those shitheels want a bigger reset than that, which is why a global nuclear war won't happen. That wouid destroy the oneworlder globalist economic framework that has been established.  

To accomplish their goals they will use famine, diseases and low birthrates.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:18:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MADMAXXX:
So you would be fine if a lot of the USA went back to Mexico because "it was theirs to begin with". ?
ETA beat by 10 minutes
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Originally Posted By MADMAXXX:
Originally Posted By BikerNut:


This. It was theirs to begin with.
So you would be fine if a lot of the USA went back to Mexico because "it was theirs to begin with". ?
ETA beat by 10 minutes



Hey! We paid cash! Got a receipt.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:23:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AA717driver:
The U.S. Government is a far greater threat to me and my family than Russia, China and Iran.
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put fucking together even

the closer the threat the more dangerous.

Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:23:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By T1NMAN:
It's all fun and games until the petro dollar tanks....
Once our billion dollar checks don't cash we'll see how well the EU plays ball together.
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(reusing and updating a prior debunking of petrodollars. I saved it because arf doomers seem to love the concept)

the petrodollar concept is antiquated. IMO it peaked around 1979.

The total market for oil has not kept up with the overall US economy.

1979 - oil averaged about $20 per barrel (very volatile year), and global production 24.088 billion barrels, or $481.76 billion dollars.
global production source (in tons. x7.46 to get barrels)
US economy was 2.627 trillion. Total global crude oil was equal to 18.3% of the US GDP

2023 - Oil averaged $77.64 per barrel, global production of 37 billion barrels, or $2.87 trillion dollars.
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US 2023 GDP was 27.36 trillion. Total global crude oil is equal to 10.4% of the US GDP.

OK, so the US economy has grown faster than the oil market. What of it?

The devil is in the details.

In 1979 imported 2.379 billion barrels of oil. Which using that $20 price, is $47.58 billion dollars, or 1.8% of our GDP.

For 2023, we imported 2.4 billion barrels. Using that $77 price, is $184 billion dollars, or 0.6% of our GDP.

This is ignoring the fact that we are a net exporter of refined petroleum products, which weakens the balance of trade argument of the petrodollar further. On top of that, we are a huge player in terms of oil infrastructure and extraction knowledge. Foreign oil fields are kept running with a lot of US based equipment and expertise.

We are not a powerless price taker in the oil market, we are the most powerful player in that market.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:24:44 AM EDT
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the US is their butch bitch. Always has been.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:25:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Millennial:
Europe gears up for war.
China gears up for war.

Meanwhile we're depleting our weapons stores shipping oodles of surplus to an unwinnable war (involving former soviets on both sides ), racking up even more debt sending aid to both sides of the jewish-palestinian conflict, draining our strategic reserves to keep prices low in an election year, and our DEI-qualified NCO's are making sure all our troops have sat through the latest woke PowerPoint training put together by their transsexual military brass while the Commander in Cheif transforms pudding cups into diaper shit.

We are so fucked.
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Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:28:37 AM EDT
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Lol , Europe will go to war with their native men and women while the illegal immigrants in their countries will rape and pillage while they are away.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:36:03 AM EDT
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Well, it is Europe's war, after all.  Let them pay for it and pay us back for all of the years of protection.  NATO is just the US spelled with "free for Europe".  The children of the US cannot afford houses and cars because of endless years of subsidized defense of the lazy of Europe.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:45:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp:


Sorry, but after Ukraine, they would take one or all of the Baltic countries, then Poland.  Go look at a map of the USSR, and keep in mind Putin said that its dissolution was the "greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century".  Ukraine was a Soviet socialist republic, the Baltics were too, Poland was a satellite, and he wants it all back, and he or his successor won't stop until they get those countries back.  Who really wants war?  No one of course, but sometimes it's forced upon you.
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Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp:
Originally Posted By durtychemist:
2% of GDP for each nato country? Just so Ukraine can not lose to Russia?


Let Russia have Ukraine. Ukraine can’t defend itself. There are too many things America could spend 2% of the GDP internally to even consider sending more money to Ukraine.


Sorry, but after Ukraine, they would take one or all of the Baltic countries, then Poland.  Go look at a map of the USSR, and keep in mind Putin said that its dissolution was the "greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century".  Ukraine was a Soviet socialist republic, the Baltics were too, Poland was a satellite, and he wants it all back, and he or his successor won't stop until they get those countries back.  Who really wants war?  No one of course, but sometimes it's forced upon you.



Poland would kick their ass like they did to the Soviet Union in the early 1920s.

Whether you are in favor of aid to UKraine or not the fear mongering over Russia being a power house or a major threat to Europe is laughable currently

Collectively Europe has the ability to defeat Russia even without our help if they wanted to do so.  And many could beat Russia on their own if they had the will to do it.  

I have been in favor of some aid to Ukraine by the way  just so they can kill Russians. But we need more accountability and to quit depleting our stocks to support them.  And Europe could do more to help too
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:48:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By M1Zeppelin:
Ukraine lowered conscription age from 27 to 25 last month.

They sure are desperate. Hopefully Europe can gear up a little faster.
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Yes they are.  Ukraine has a demographic crisis that is going to end up with them not existing in less than a century.   They need their young people to be fucking, not fighting.

Most of Europe has the same problem,  they just tried to solve it by bringing in hordes of third worlders to backfill their population.   I would have just taxed the shit out of birth control and dumbed down sex education so the kids didn't know how to avoid pregnancy.

Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:52:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By sigking:



Lol

It use to be against the law for the .gov to use propaganda against its own people. But that law was over turned a few years back.

Go look it up.  It's true. An actual antipropaganda law had been in effect to protect us from crap like the post above.  

Russia Russia Russia.

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We are of course fed a steady stream of propaganda, but it’s true that Putin won’t stop.  The media has been running articles favorable to Ukraine, and bad news for it too, but many western based sources have a bias towards Ukraine.  Thanks to the internet, we can also read plenty of articles slanted against it as well.  The information war is in full swing, along with the actual war, and, I will say, for me at least, this is the third world war, the same is happening with the middle eastern front, with Israel now.  We are just waiting for the third theater that will likely open in the pacific/east Asia.  
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:53:17 AM EDT
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Here you go OP. Join the uke army and stop those mean ol' russkies!
https://ildu.com.ua/
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:06:15 AM EDT
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I am one guy who posts these things because, as I have said a few times, I know two Ukrainian families directly affected by this war, specifically, my first and second Russian teachers are Ukrainian, and I also can see how so many of Russia’s actions mirror the worst things the Soviet Union did during Stalin’s time, like taking grain from people which caused the Holodomor, or the rape and killing of civilians in Germany, mostly, during the second world war, and later during the current war in places like Bucha and Hostomel.  Don’t forget the deportations that Russia has been engaging in recently either.  If you know the history of the Soviet Union, you will see Russia has been doing these things on a smaller, often times much smaller scale.

I don’t hate all Russians, but their government has been doing this.  Like in Nazi Germany, there are some still in the country who don’t support this or are at least are indifferent, but they live in a society where criticism of the war, even perceived criticism in passing conversation, can result in one being imprisoned for several years.  
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:08:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By governmentman:


(reusing and updating a prior debunking of petrodollars. I saved it because arf doomers seem to love the concept)

the petrodollar concept is antiquated. IMO it peaked around 1979.

The total market for oil has not kept up with the overall US economy.

1979 - oil averaged about $20 per barrel (very volatile year), and global production 24.088 billion barrels, or $481.76 billion dollars.
global production source (in tons. x7.46 to get barrels)
US economy was 2.627 trillion. Total global crude oil was equal to 18.3% of the US GDP

2023 - Oil averaged $77.64 per barrel, global production of 37 billion barrels, or $2.87 trillion dollars.
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US 2023 GDP was 27.36 trillion. Total global crude oil is equal to 10.4% of the US GDP.

OK, so the US economy has grown faster than the oil market. What of it?

The devil is in the details.

In 1979 imported 2.379 billion barrels of oil. Which using that $20 price, is $47.58 billion dollars, or 1.8% of our GDP.

For 2023, we imported 2.4 billion barrels. Using that $77 price, is $184 billion dollars, or 0.6% of our GDP.

This is ignoring the fact that we are a net exporter of refined petroleum products, which weakens the balance of trade argument of the petrodollar further. On top of that, we are a huge player in terms of oil infrastructure and extraction knowledge. Foreign oil fields are kept running with a lot of US based equipment and expertise.

We are not a powerless price taker in the oil market, we are the most powerful player in that market.
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That's not how it works. Petrodollar is Saudis selling oil in US dollars only, which forces the rest of the world to have US dollars, which allows us to export inflation.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:11:18 AM EDT
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great lead in story

let's start WW3

for the Luciferian Globalist NWO to rise like a phoenix out of the ashes of global nuclear war
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:13:02 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:13:23 AM EDT
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"German defence minister Boris Pistorius"

If some novelist came up with that name for a fiction book, they'd be hooted off of Amazon for being epically corny.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:16:31 AM EDT
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Russian military has one viable tactic. Meat grinder. In no universe could they move beyond Ukraine into Poland or any other country that has half a will to resist.
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Originally Posted By VVinci:
"German defence minister Boris Pistorius"

If some novelist came up with that name for a fiction book, they'd be hooted off of Amazon for being epically corny.
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German names, how do they work?  I actually don’t know, and to me, his name doesn’t really sound German.  As I was typing “German” for the second time I hit my H key and it came out Herman at first.  Now that’s a real German first name.  

Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:20:54 AM EDT
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And the angel said "come and see."  And I saw.

And behold, a white horse.
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Originally Posted By BikerNut:


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Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp:


Yet outside help is what they have.  Poland making it to Moscow is likely an exaggeration, I don’t know myself, maybe with the losses Russia has taken, and excluding nuclear weapons, it could.
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Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp:
Originally Posted By sabocat:


At this point I think Poland could make it to Moscow without outside help.


Yet outside help is what they have.  Poland making it to Moscow is likely an exaggeration, I don’t know myself, maybe with the losses Russia has taken, and excluding nuclear weapons, it could.


Poland would most likely be able to hold their own against Russia and give them a very badly broken and bloody nose in the process.  Russia will not go to war against a nato country because it will trigger a unified response and the only way for them to counter that would be nukes and if that happens nobody wins.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:27:53 AM EDT
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Good. Let's sit this one out.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:31:07 AM EDT
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The world shudders over a country with a GDP of Italy.
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Originally Posted By sabocat:


At this point I think Poland could make it to Moscow without outside help.
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Originally Posted By sabocat:
Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp:


Sorry, but after Ukraine, they would take one or all of the Baltic countries, then Poland.  Go look at a map of the USSR, and keep in mind Putin said that its dissolution was the "greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century".  Ukraine was a Soviet socialist republic, the Baltics were too, Poland was a satellite, and he wants it all back, and he or his successor won't stop until they get those countries back.  Who really wants war?  No one of course, but sometimes it's forced upon you.


At this point I think Poland could make it to Moscow without outside help.

Oh yea! Poland has been proving themselves for decades with their military exploits. Hardassess everywhere in Poland!
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:37:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gromit32:
Well, it is Europe's war, after all.  Let them pay for it and pay us back for all of the years of protection.  NATO is just the US spelled with "free for Europe".  The children of the US cannot afford houses and cars because of endless years of subsidized defense of the lazy of Europe.
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Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:44:39 AM EDT
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Even if every nation in Europe was spending it's entire GDP on defense I don't think it would matter at this point due to their severe decline in demographics. The immigrants they've flooded into Europe are next to worthless when it comes to military service. It will be very interesting to see if any significant percentage of immigrants even comply with conscription orders.  I doubt it though. Europe doesn't have the man power or the culture to fight a conventional war with a near peer.  

The days of the West deploying massive conventional militaries is over. The USA and Europe need to move to a series of space based kinetic energy weapons combined with expeditionary forces supplemented by autonomous systems and a more robust missile defense shield.  The sooner we realize that, the better.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:49:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BayEagle:
We're being setup.  

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Well it looks like they tried to take out one Ukraine dissenter. Slovakian PM Assassination attempt today, shot, rushed to hospital, condition currently unknown.

Slovakia's populist Prime Minister Robert Fico Shot

YOU WILL SUPPORT THE WAR MACHINE....OR ELSE.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:54:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp:


Sorry, but after Ukraine, they would take one or all of the Baltic countries, then Poland.  Go look at a map of the USSR, and keep in mind Putin said that its dissolution was the "greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century".  Ukraine was a Soviet socialist republic, the Baltics were too, Poland was a satellite, and he wants it all back, and he or his successor won't stop until they get those countries back.  Who really wants war?  No one of course, but sometimes it's forced upon you.
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Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp:
Originally Posted By durtychemist:
2% of GDP for each nato country? Just so Ukraine can not lose to Russia?


Let Russia have Ukraine. Ukraine can’t defend itself. There are too many things America could spend 2% of the GDP internally to even consider sending more money to Ukraine.


Sorry, but after Ukraine, they would take one or all of the Baltic countries, then Poland.  Go look at a map of the USSR, and keep in mind Putin said that its dissolution was the "greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century".  Ukraine was a Soviet socialist republic, the Baltics were too, Poland was a satellite, and he wants it all back, and he or his successor won't stop until they get those countries back.  Who really wants war?  No one of course, but sometimes it's forced upon you.


Welcome, fellow fear-mongering enthusiast.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:55:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By macaho45:
Russia isn't going to make a move on a NATO country.  We shouldn't give a fuck unless they do.
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This, not my pig, not my farm.

I'm tired of killing people to maintain an American Empire.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:00:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By STRIKE504:
Here you go OP. Join the uke army and stop those mean ol' russkies!
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It is better to give everything we can to Ukraine so they can defeat Russia before Russia invades a NATO country then we have an agreement to put our boys into battle.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:10:00 AM EDT
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A foreign one?  

"The soldiers is British."
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:11:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MADMAXXX:
It is better to give everything we can to Ukraine so they can defeat Russia before Russia invades a NATO country then we have an agreement to put our boys into battle.
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Originally Posted By STRIKE504:
Here you go OP. Join the uke army and stop those mean ol' russkies!
https://ildu.com.ua/
It is better to give everything we can to Ukraine so they can defeat Russia before Russia invades a NATO country then we have an agreement to put our boys into battle.

rooshia cant even take 20% of ukraine. Spare me the theatrics. My sons aren't going. You can send you and yours since you care so much.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:12:56 AM EDT
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Nobody has mention to follow the money. A huge supporter of Russian is India, where most of their money comes from. Cut off the Russian export of oil, avoid nuclear and radiation poisoning of the U.S. Simple. Starve the Russian war machine.
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Originally Posted By Enigma102083:

Why don't you give us your thoughts on La Raza and giving the south west back to Mexico, it was theirs to begin with after all.
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Originally Posted By BikerNut:
Originally Posted By durtychemist:
2% of GDP for each nato country? Just so Ukraine can not lose to Russia?


Let Russia have Ukraine. Ukraine can’t defend itself. There are too many things America could spend 2% of the GDP internally to even consider sending more money to Ukraine.


This. It was theirs to begin with.

Why don't you give us your thoughts on La Raza and giving the south west back to Mexico, it was theirs to begin with after all.

the difference is we live here
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Originally Posted By Gunner226:


Illegal? When? Did you miss the Audie Murphy thread? This country has used propaganda since its founding.
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Originally Posted By sigking:
Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp:


Sorry, but after Ukraine, they would take one or all of the Baltic countries, then Poland.  Go look at a map of the USSR, and keep in mind Putin said that its dissolution was the "greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century".  Ukraine was a Soviet socialist republic, the Baltics were too, Poland was a satellite, and he wants it all back, and he or his successor won't stop until they get those countries back.  Who really wants war?  No one of course, but sometimes it's forced upon you.



Lol

It use to be against the law for the .gov to use propaganda against its own people. But that law was over turned a few years back.

Go look it up.  It's true. An actual antipropaganda law had been in effect to protect us from crap like the post above.  

Russia Russia Russia.

LmFao


Illegal? When? Did you miss the Audie Murphy thread? This country has used propaganda since its founding.
It's illegal in the same way that surveillance on American citizens is illegal.  They just tell us it's not legal so some idiots believe they aren't doing it.

It's also "illegal" for the CIA to conduct operations on American soil.  LOL

Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:16:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AA717driver:
The U.S. Government is a far greater threat to me and my family than Russia, China and Iran.
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Originally Posted By STRIKE504:

rooshia cant even take 20% of ukraine. Spare me the theatrics. My sons aren't going. You can send you and yours since you care so much.
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It is not that I care about Ukraine, it is the USA has an agreement with NATO.
Our NATO agreement will send your sons into battle whether you like it or not.
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Originally Posted By merick:
That's not how it works. Petrodollar is Saudis selling oil in US dollars only, which forces the rest of the world to have US dollars, which allows us to export inflation.
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You're missing the entire point. That specific Saudi dollar denominated oil trade is just a small subset of what I outlined. The sum of all Saudi exports (oil and everything else) in 2022 was $362 billion. - which is about 1.3% the size of the US economy. It's simply not remotely big enough to have the economic might that many here wish to attribute to the concept.

Not to mention the fact that the US is now the swing producer and the biggest player in oil. OPEC tried to break US shale producers a few years back by flooding the market, and ended up having to waive the white flag themselves.
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Nobody has mention to follow the money. A huge supporter of Russian is India, where most of their money comes from. Cut off the Russian export of oil, avoid nuclear and radiation poisoning of the U.S. Simple. Starve the Russian war machine.
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You could significant impact Russia without trying to enforce a difficult to implement oil embargo on them.

Just increase U.S., Saudi, and Venezuelan oil production thereby lowering the price of a barrel of oil to pre 2020 levels.  Joe Biden pissed off the Saudi Crown Prince when he took office, U.S. State Department has been unable to repair the damage done.   Whatever the U.S. is hoping to accomplish regarding Venezuela is just not working and frankly we need their oil,  an olive branch should be extended to Venezuela to get oil production there back up.   We also need oil production in the USA, Canada, and Mexico increased significantly.

If you look at Russian defense spending it nose dived under Trump due to the low cost of oil.   If they were serious about economically harming the Russians that's exactly what they would do, but they really don't care.  The point of this conflict isn't to defeat Russia it is to have a forever war that allow the military industrial complex to line its pockets and western politicians to acquire greater power/authority.   The outcome is something that the west could care less about.
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It is not that I care about Ukraine, it is the USA has an agreement with NATO.
Our NATO agreement will send your sons into battle whether you like it or not.
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Originally Posted By STRIKE504:

rooshia cant even take 20% of ukraine. Spare me the theatrics. My sons aren't going. You can send you and yours since you care so much.
It is not that I care about Ukraine, it is the USA has an agreement with NATO.
Our NATO agreement will send your sons into battle whether you like it or not.

#doubt
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Originally Posted By MADMAXXX:
It is not that I care, it is the USA has an agreement with NATO.
Our NATO agreement will send your sons into battle whether you like it or not.
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Originally Posted By MADMAXXX:
It is not that I care, it is the USA has an agreement with NATO.
Our NATO agreement will send your sons into battle whether you like it or not.



It’s actually elective on what is done



With the invocation of Article 5, Allies can provide any form of assistance they deem necessary to respond to a situation. This is an individual obligation on each Ally and each Ally is responsible for determining what it deems necessary in the particular circumstances.


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