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Posted: 5/13/2024 11:29:21 AM EDT
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This is my current go-to rifle:
 Attached FileI wish I had a shorter silencer for it, but I don't. I'm currently trying to shoot this barrel out so I can turn this into a mini-Recce:  Attached FileMost of the time I don't use the magnifier and leave it off. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 11:31:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: This is my current go-to rifle: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523928/Recce_jpg-3213286.JPG I wish I had a shorter silencer for it, but I don't. I'm currently trying to shoot this barrel out so I can turn this into a mini-Recce: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523928/SBR_with_YHM_Turbo_T3_jpg-3213287.JPG Most of the time I don't use the magnifier and leave it off. Same but different.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 11:36:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrayMan66: Irons only. There'll be plenty of RDS and optics lying on the ground if the time comes... I need your newsletter, and the back issues. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 11:47:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Ascent-: Same but different. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/163367/IMG_0657_jpeg-3213293.JPG  Attached File |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:01:33 PM EDT
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I keep my Ruger AR556 with iorns I added a Colt carry handle to it I love the sight picture on AR iorns. My DD M4 however has a VR-X 1.25-4 on it and is my primary do all carbine.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:05:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: I just realized I have optics that have back up iron sights, mounted on a rifle with separate back up iron sights.  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72384/1000000473-3213276.jpg Primary secondary and tertiary.  Attached File |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:07:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AbleArcher: Is anyone still running just iron sights as their primary sighting system on a modern AR in 2024? I do. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:08:25 PM EDT
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Not when I can go buy a PRO for $400, I always install BUIS though.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:10:01 PM EDT
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I used to use iron sight only but now, seldom. At 72, my eyes aren't what they used to be. I really want to hit my target, not just burn up ammo.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:36:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: southerncross]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Muad: How so? Can you dial elevation on the fly to make longer shots? Unless we're talking an ACSS/BDC/etc. reticle, RDS do not add more functionality; in my opinion. Irons are much more functional over a broader range of engagement, thanks to having the ability to quickly make elevation and windage adjustments. With most RDS, you're using holdovers and Kentucky windage. In what scenario are you ranging and dialing with adjustable irons? Do you have a time machine back to WW1? Most people with a minimum amount of practice have zero issues making hits at 300yds with a dot on a 16" AR. I've done it to 500yds but it's not ideal because you can't identify a target properly past 300yds without magnification anyway. Why would you dial for a range where you can't positively ID the target? |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 1:14:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southerncross: In what scenario are you ranging and dialing with adjustable irons? Do you have a time machine back to WW1? Most people with a minimum amount of practice have zero issues making hits at 300yds with a dot on a 16" AR. I've done it to 500yds but it's not ideal because you can't identify a target properly past 300yds without magnification anyway. Why would you dial for a range where you can't positively ID the target? You're arguing with an old service rifle shooter, FYI. So, anytime I'm shooting beyond 200M with my RIBZ'd rifle. Our club has steel at 300 yards and 500 yards. When I shoot at those echo silhouette targets with my M4A1ish clone, I'm dialing... That said, I can hit the 300 with my RDS rifles, standing, but I'm holding high. Never tried 500, I'd rather adjust elevation than to guess at that distance. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 1:57:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Muad: You're arguing with an old service rifle shooter, FYI. So, anytime I'm shooting beyond 200M with my RIBZ'd rifle. Our club has steel at 300 yards and 500 yards. When I shoot at those echo silhouette targets with my M4A1ish clone, I'm dialing... That said, I can hit the 300 with my RDS rifles, standing, but I'm holding high. Never tried 500, I'd rather adjust elevation than to guess at that distance. Congratulations on being an old service rifle shooter, I don't care. You've dragged service rifle talk into a discussion about practical use of irons on a modern AR. Those of using the rifles in a practical manner like combat, doing run and gun and 2 Gun matches for the last decade learned early on that practical use of a rifle with an optic or a dot is significantly faster than using irons, and no one is dialing shit at practical rifle distances when the clock is running. If you miss you take another shot because that is still faster than using irons. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 2:09:52 PM EDT
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Irons all the way for me. I also don't use those stupid weapon mounted lights. If I have to shoot at night I use my trusty Rem 870 loaded with birdshot. If whatever is around doesn't run off after racking a round I can just shoot in their general direction and knock them on their ass.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 2:11:21 PM EDT
[#14]
Why not get both? Gooseneck mount anyone?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2024 2:20:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbleArcher: Red dots replaced BUIS, and added more functionality while doing it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbleArcher: Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX: No. Why when red dots are so reliable and so much better. Red dots replaced BUIS, and added more functionality while doing it. What functionality do red dots add over irons? |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 2:20:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southerncross: Congratulations on being an old service rifle shooter, I don't care. You've dragged service rifle talk into a discussion about practical use of irons on a modern AR. Those of using the rifles in a practical manner like combat, doing run and gun and 2 Gun matches for the last decade learned early on that practical use of a rifle with an optic or a dot is significantly faster than using irons, and no one is dialing shit at practical rifle distances when the clock is running. If you miss you take another shot because that is still faster than using irons. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southerncross: Originally Posted By Muad: You're arguing with an old service rifle shooter, FYI. So, anytime I'm shooting beyond 200M with my RIBZ'd rifle. Our club has steel at 300 yards and 500 yards. When I shoot at those echo silhouette targets with my M4A1ish clone, I'm dialing... That said, I can hit the 300 with my RDS rifles, standing, but I'm holding high. Never tried 500, I'd rather adjust elevation than to guess at that distance. Congratulations on being an old service rifle shooter, I don't care. You've dragged service rifle talk into a discussion about practical use of irons on a modern AR. Those of using the rifles in a practical manner like combat, doing run and gun and 2 Gun matches for the last decade learned early on that practical use of a rifle with an optic or a dot is significantly faster than using irons, and no one is dialing shit at practical rifle distances when the clock is running. If you miss you take another shot because that is still faster than using irons. OP asked the following: Originally Posted By AbleArcher: Is anyone still running just iron sights as their primary sighting system on a modern AR in 2024? I shared that I do still have an irons -only rifle and shared a pic of it. I never interjected my service rifle comments until people like you started arguing that no one dials irons anymore. I don't care what run and gun guys have learned over the past decade; it has as much to do with the conversation as me bringing up being a service rifle guy. I said that to you in jest so you'd understand that I'm partial to shooting irons. Hell, even the sport I loved has moved onto LVPO because that allows for better scores. All I was arguing is that irons, even BUIS, are still more functional than a RDS due to elevation/windage adjustments. Good grief, now I remember why I stay out of GD conversations. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 2:22:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: What functionality do red dots add over irons? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By AbleArcher: Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX: No. Why when red dots are so reliable and so much better. Red dots replaced BUIS, and added more functionality while doing it. What functionality do red dots add over irons? As a back up sighting system? |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2024 2:38:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Muad: OP asked the following: I shared that I do still have an irons -only rifle and shared a pic of it. I never interjected my service rifle comments until people like you started arguing that no one dials irons anymore. I don't care what run and gun guys have learned over the past decade; it has as much to do with the conversation as me bringing up being a service rifle guy. I said that to you in jest so you'd understand that I'm partial to shooting irons. Hell, even the sport I loved has moved onto LVPO because that allows for better scores. All I was arguing is that irons, even BUIS, are still more functional than a RDS due to elevation/windage adjustments. Good grief, now I remember why I stay out of GD conversations. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Muad: Originally Posted By southerncross: Originally Posted By Muad: You're arguing with an old service rifle shooter, FYI. So, anytime I'm shooting beyond 200M with my RIBZ'd rifle. Our club has steel at 300 yards and 500 yards. When I shoot at those echo silhouette targets with my M4A1ish clone, I'm dialing... That said, I can hit the 300 with my RDS rifles, standing, but I'm holding high. Never tried 500, I'd rather adjust elevation than to guess at that distance. Congratulations on being an old service rifle shooter, I don't care. You've dragged service rifle talk into a discussion about practical use of irons on a modern AR. Those of using the rifles in a practical manner like combat, doing run and gun and 2 Gun matches for the last decade learned early on that practical use of a rifle with an optic or a dot is significantly faster than using irons, and no one is dialing shit at practical rifle distances when the clock is running. If you miss you take another shot because that is still faster than using irons. OP asked the following: Originally Posted By AbleArcher: Is anyone still running just iron sights as their primary sighting system on a modern AR in 2024? I shared that I do still have an irons -only rifle and shared a pic of it. I never interjected my service rifle comments until people like you started arguing that no one dials irons anymore. I don't care what run and gun guys have learned over the past decade; it has as much to do with the conversation as me bringing up being a service rifle guy. I said that to you in jest so you'd understand that I'm partial to shooting irons. Hell, even the sport I loved has moved onto LVPO because that allows for better scores. All I was arguing is that irons, even BUIS, are still more functional than a RDS due to elevation/windage adjustments. Good grief, now I remember why I stay out of GD conversations. Once you learn to ignore the severe autism GD is more tolerable. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 2:46:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SpacemanSpiff]
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I think we have beat the horse of the usefulness of irons or lack thereof to death at this point.
For those of you using irons for whatever reason, I see some are using front sights other than the standard A1 or A2 post. I would love to hear more about the utility of some of these, I would like to try one. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 2:47:22 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: What functionality do red dots add over irons? Additional speed, precision, effectiveness in low light and the ability to passively use NV. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 4:46:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Additional speed, precision, effectiveness in low light and the ability to passively use NV. Impossible, service rifle shooters say so. Throw out everything we've learned in the last 30 years also because irons will rule forever. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 4:57:32 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: What functionality do red dots add over irons? You put the red dot sight on top of or on the side of your magnified optic and then you have a red dot sight to use a long side your magnified optic. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 5:13:22 PM EDT
[#23]
I'd prefer to rock irons, but during a training session one day (with a timer and everything), I finally had to concede that a red dot is faster.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 5:14:00 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southerncross: Impossible, service rifle shooters say so. Throw out everything we've learned in the last 30 years also because irons will rule forever. Wait until they find out that 4x optics are legal in Service Rifle and scores went up. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 5:24:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Wait until they find out that 4x optics are legal in Service Rifle and scores went up. Well, they're going to need to cake those optics with snow, sawdust and chainsaw oil to really see what's what. Get out in the real world, man. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2024 5:42:03 PM EDT
[#26]
For what it is worth, I was a NRA Hi-Master and Distinguished Rifleman shooting service rifles, both an M1a and AR-15's using iron sights. That means I averaged at least 97 percent out to 600 yds using iron sights. That said, optics are a hell of an advantage, especially for less experienced individuals and those that don't have great vision.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 5:47:15 PM EDT
[#27]
My general knock-around AR is a Colt 6720 I had Adco chop to 14.5 and pin/weld. It sports a GI surplus carry handle and a Surefire M300 on an IWC TMC mount.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 5:51:21 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dangus: My general knock-around AR is a Colt 6720 I had Adco chop to 14.5 and pin/weld. It sports a GI surplus carry handle and a Surefire M300 on an IWC TMC mount. https://i.imgur.com/Ye9YHrE.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 5:51:49 PM EDT
[#29]
No reason with all of the better, viable options out now.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 5:52:41 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southerncross: In what scenario are you ranging and dialing with adjustable irons? Do you have a time machine back to WW1? Most people with a minimum amount of practice have zero issues making hits at 300yds with a dot on a 16" AR. I've done it to 500yds but it's not ideal because you can't identify a target properly past 300yds without magnification anyway. Why would you dial for a range where you can't positively ID the target? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southerncross: Originally Posted By Muad: How so? Can you dial elevation on the fly to make longer shots? Unless we're talking an ACSS/BDC/etc. reticle, RDS do not add more functionality; in my opinion. Irons are much more functional over a broader range of engagement, thanks to having the ability to quickly make elevation and windage adjustments. With most RDS, you're using holdovers and Kentucky windage. In what scenario are you ranging and dialing with adjustable irons? Do you have a time machine back to WW1? Most people with a minimum amount of practice have zero issues making hits at 300yds with a dot on a 16" AR. I've done it to 500yds but it's not ideal because you can't identify a target properly past 300yds without magnification anyway. Why would you dial for a range where you can't positively ID the target? I dialed to 500 with a m16a4 in Iraq. The guy stopped being a threat. Not sure how good my hits were. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 5:57:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Additional speed, precision, effectiveness in low light and the ability to passively use NV. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By mcantu: What functionality do red dots add over irons? Additional speed, precision, effectiveness in low light and the ability to passively use NV. I agree with all off those except precision. I'm more accurate with irons on a 20" gun |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 6:02:35 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Wait until they find out that 4x optics are legal in Service Rifle and scores went up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By southerncross: Impossible, service rifle shooters say so. Throw out everything we've learned in the last 30 years also because irons will rule forever. Wait until they find out that 4x optics are legal in Service Rifle and scores went up. Yeah absolutely I want an acog to shoot small groups and pick out threats in the shadows of alleys |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 6:08:54 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redbirdxx: Well, they're going to need to cake those optics with snow, sawdust and chainsaw oil to really see what's what. Get out in the real world, man. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redbirdxx: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Wait until they find out that 4x optics are legal in Service Rifle and scores went up. Well, they're going to need to cake those optics with snow, sawdust and chainsaw oil to really see what's what. Get out in the real world, man. Obviously mocking and ignorant. Are you really that shallow and inexperienced that you can't fathom that 1-2 feet of snow in a day is different than people saying a 4" snow shower and their scope is fine? Add in spending all day in the woods with snow dumping on you from trees for several days? Don't be dumb. I'm not interjecting in peoples experience in the TX gulf coast saying my experience trumps theirs. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 6:18:47 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Obviously mocking and ignorant. Are you really that shallow and inexperienced that you can't fathom that 1-2 feet of snow in a day is different than people saying a 4" snow shower and their scope is fine? Add in spending all day in the woods with snow dumping on you from trees for several days? Don't be dumb. I'm not interjecting in peoples experience in the TX gulf coast saying my experience trumps theirs. Apologies to anyone who feels like collateral damage, but that was directed (yes, mockingly) at the member who expressed some less than high opinions of anyone who hadn't suffered the same issues he has. I do understand and have personally experienced the issues optics can have in bitter cold and heavy snow. That was just a snarky shot at another poster, not a serious take. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 6:22:14 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Obviously mocking and ignorant. Are you really that shallow and inexperienced that you can't fathom that 1-2 feet of snow in a day is different than people saying a 4" snow shower and their scope is fine? Add in spending all day in the woods with snow dumping on you from trees for several days? Don't be dumb. I'm not interjecting in peoples experience in the TX gulf coast saying my experience trumps theirs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By Redbirdxx: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Wait until they find out that 4x optics are legal in Service Rifle and scores went up. Well, they're going to need to cake those optics with snow, sawdust and chainsaw oil to really see what's what. Get out in the real world, man. Obviously mocking and ignorant. Are you really that shallow and inexperienced that you can't fathom that 1-2 feet of snow in a day is different than people saying a 4" snow shower and their scope is fine? Add in spending all day in the woods with snow dumping on you from trees for several days? Don't be dumb. I'm not interjecting in peoples experience in the TX gulf coast saying my experience trumps theirs. They can't use optics in TX either because it's hot. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 6:24:10 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbleArcher: They can't use optics in TX either because it's hot. It's true. 
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Posted: 5/13/2024 6:26:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: It's true. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Originally Posted By AbleArcher: They can't use optics in TX either because it's hot. It's true. I feel bad for you guys. Originally Posted By cwm1150: I run an Iron sighted patrol rifle during the summer months. The Texas gulf coast humidity is brutal. Optics tend to fog up immediately upon exiting a patrol vehicle with AC. The iron sights don't fog up. Rest of the time I run optics. Gonna be interesting to see how my glock with holosun fares as well. Anti fog stuff does not really seem to help. Someday in the future optics will become ready for outdoor use. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 6:29:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RustedAce]
[#38]
How I feel trying to explain to Grandwizard ranking sawdust snowservice A/C enjoyerment shooters that I just want to be able to hit my enemies faster:
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Posted: 5/13/2024 6:35:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ajek]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Obviously mocking and ignorant. Are you really that shallow and inexperienced that you can't fathom that 1-2 feet of snow in a day is different than people saying a 4" snow shower and their scope is fine? Add in spending all day in the woods with snow dumping on you from trees for several days? Don't be dumb. I'm not interjecting in peoples experience in the TX gulf coast saying my experience trumps theirs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By Redbirdxx: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Wait until they find out that 4x optics are legal in Service Rifle and scores went up. Well, they're going to need to cake those optics with snow, sawdust and chainsaw oil to really see what's what. Get out in the real world, man. Obviously mocking and ignorant. Are you really that shallow and inexperienced that you can't fathom that 1-2 feet of snow in a day is different than people saying a 4" snow shower and their scope is fine? Add in spending all day in the woods with snow dumping on you from trees for several days? Don't be dumb. I'm not interjecting in peoples experience in the TX gulf coast saying my experience trumps theirs. No, I can't fathom 2 feet of snow in a day (in May!). https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/2023/05/05/michigans-upper-peninsula-gets-2-feet-snow-may-record/ |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 6:51:15 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: What functionality do red dots add over irons? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By AbleArcher: Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX: No. Why when red dots are so reliable and so much better. Red dots replaced BUIS, and added more functionality while doing it. What functionality do red dots add over irons? 
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Posted: 5/13/2024 6:52:26 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Hammer: Irons all the way for me. I also don't use those stupid weapon mounted lights. If I have to shoot at night I use my trusty Rem 870 loaded with birdshot. If whatever is around doesn't run off after racking a round I can just shoot in their general direction and knock them on their ass. 
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Posted: 5/13/2024 6:54:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dangus: My general knock-around AR is a Colt 6720 I had Adco chop to 14.5 and pin/weld. It sports a GI surplus carry handle and a Surefire M300 on an IWC TMC mount. https://i.imgur.com/Ye9YHrE.jpg 
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Posted: 5/13/2024 7:05:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
[#43]
I have retro guns with some modern upgrades (trigger, selector, muzzle device, etc.), but almost all of my “modern” guns have optics.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:25:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SpacemanSpiff]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redbirdxx: Apologies to anyone who feels like collateral damage, but that was directed (yes, mockingly) at the member who expressed some less than high opinions of anyone who hadn't suffered the same issues he has. I do understand and have personally experienced the issues optics can have in bitter cold and heavy snow. That was just a snarky shot at another poster, not a serious take. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redbirdxx: Originally Posted By 03RN: Obviously mocking and ignorant. Are you really that shallow and inexperienced that you can't fathom that 1-2 feet of snow in a day is different than people saying a 4" snow shower and their scope is fine? Add in spending all day in the woods with snow dumping on you from trees for several days? Don't be dumb. I'm not interjecting in peoples experience in the TX gulf coast saying my experience trumps theirs. Apologies to anyone who feels like collateral damage, but that was directed (yes, mockingly) at the member who expressed some less than high opinions of anyone who hadn't suffered the same issues he has. I do understand and have personally experienced the issues optics can have in bitter cold and heavy snow. That was just a snarky shot at another poster, not a serious take. No need to apologize. I don't care what anyone from Ill-annoy thinks about my opinion on winter gear or much of anything else for that matter. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:26:43 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: How I feel trying to explain to Grandwizard ranking sawdust snowservice A/C enjoyerment shooters that I just want to be able to hit my enemies faster: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/47980/IMG_4270-3213647.jpg Come on up to my place in January and we can finally defeat the snow Taliban. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:34:17 PM EDT
[#46]
I have them as a back up but damn I shot better with the irons than I did with the Vortex red dot on my cheap PSA upper. I'll take one inch groups at a 100 yards.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:46:26 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpacemanSpiff: No need to apologize. I don't care what anyone from Ill-annoy thinks about my opinion on winter gear or much of anything else for that matter. Roger that. Hope you enjoy the rest of your evening. 
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:52:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Glocked]
[#48]
Only 1 that gets shot often. The other is 7.5” 5.56 with a brake with only MBUS, I only shoot it when people setup next to me with a big caliber and a brake.
 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:54:09 PM EDT
[#49]
Can't afford an optic? Hit the gym, sweatie.😘
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:56:29 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mojo7: I have them as a back up but damn I shot better with the irons than I did with the Vortex red dot on my cheap PSA upper. I'll take one inch groups at a 100 yards. https://i.ibb.co/Fqp3GWT/IMG-0764.jpg Why didn't you count the other two holes? |
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