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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:34:18 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. Whom would you have us vote for? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:34:50 AM EDT
[#2]
Postponing this trial will render it moot.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:35:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJ7365: Anywhere in my post did I say give me the pedo instead? You have a hard time comprehending my friend. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJ7365: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By CJ7365: And T$ said he didn't have sex with her, fucking lol, lying fucker. Still waiting for Mexico to pay for the wall. I know right. Fuck that guy for fucking porn stars. Give us a guy who showers with his teenage daughter and fucks America instead! Good job my friend. Anywhere in my post did I say give me the pedo instead? You have a hard time comprehending my friend. Best wishes, no snark intended. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:35:29 AM EDT
[#4]
She was "Drugged". Hahahahaha!
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:35:36 AM EDT
[#5]
Trump's campaign claiming this hush money was a legal fee rather than campaign expense is the issue right? This is not unusual and normally there is a fine to the campaign and life foes on. But not when Marxists are using the law as a political tool.
Hillary paid foreigners to dig up dirt on Trump then they listed that as a legal fee rather than campaign expense, she got fined and nobody cares. This will never stop as communists view the legal system as another avenue to attack and imprison their political foes. If this works I'm thinking this will be the norm in Blue States, waves of felony charges against Republicans. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:37:14 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thedownzero: The alleged crime isn’t simply paying hush money. My understanding is the alleged use of campaign funds is what made this an issue. Trump didn't use campaign funds to pay her off. The illegal activity is that it was listed as a business expense. The "felony" claim is that it was falsified business records to help his campaign. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:40:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bladeswitcher: Tell me you haven't followed this case without telling me you haven't followed the case. The only "crime' in this case is funky bookkeeping. Normally, that would be a misdemeanor at best, but the DA argues it rises to a felony because the funky bookkeeping was done in furtherance of an underlying crime. Trump hasn't been charged with the supposed federal election crimes but apparently New York law doesn't require the underlying crime to be charged. The hush money isn't the crime. The sex isn't the crime The bookkeeping is the crime . . . again, according to the DA And the alleged underlying crime would have been a violation of Federal law not State law in which the Feds already said wasn't a crime when they reviewed the payment  |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:43:58 AM EDT
[#8]
And if it was anyone of us non billionaires we would have been convicted already because there is no way to fight this process. Trump can fight the bullshit because he has money. Most of us can’t. Kind of a scary thought.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:44:01 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 0002s: Because FJB is far worse than them holding their nose over where Trump sticks his dick in strange. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 0002s: Originally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. Because FJB is far worse than them holding their nose over where Trump sticks his dick in strange. At least he's not a kiddie diddler. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:46:04 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lug1: Then pick a fucking side. There is a time and a place. You are not in that time and place with your comment. Best wishes, no snark intended. He has... He hates Trump more than he loves this country |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:49:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BDA: So.. if its a "crime" to pay someone hush money, does that mean taking hush money is also a crime? Is she giving it back? The hush money is legal, the case is about how it was disclosed as legal fees. Stormy already owes Trump hundreds of thousands of dollars for violating the NDA, though. They got her to admit she has no intention of paying it back. I’m not sure if it’s true yet, but it looks like she committed wire fraud by setting up a fake Trust to hide money so Trump couldn’t get it. She was paid to be in a documentary and set up the Trust under her daughter’s name with the producer who supposedly confessed it to Avennatti to get him to be in the documentary. He’s not exactly trustworthy himself, but he just released a statement claiming the producer told him about the Trust. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:52:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnowboundinNH: The hush money is legal, the case is about how it was disclosed as legal fees. Stormy already owes Trump hundreds of thousands of dollars for violating the NDA, though. They got her to admit she has no intention of paying it back. I’m not sure if it’s true yet, but it looks like she committed wire fraud by setting up a fake Trust to hide money so Trump couldn’t get it. She was paid to be in a documentary and set up the Trust under her daughter’s name with the producer who supposedly confessed it to Avennatti to get him to be in the documentary. He’s not exactly trustworthy himself, but he just released a statement claiming the producer told him about the Trust. And did it on a prison phone so it should be recorded. Unless it gets "lost". |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:55:45 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lug1: Then pick a fucking side. There is a time and a place. You are not in that time and place with your comment. Best wishes, no snark intended. You are about to be preached to from the highest of alters on how you and the rest of us are horrible people because we could have had Ronnie D. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:56:02 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thedownzero: The alleged crime isn’t simply paying hush money. My understanding is the alleged use of campaign funds is what made this an issue. Ten years ago? What campaign was that? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:56:28 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. Everyone hates an Adulter, but they hate Biden even worse. Biden's hair sniffing and shower stories are far worse than Trump and his flings. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:00:39 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Meathook: And did it on a prison phone so it should be recorded. Unless it gets "lost". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Meathook: Originally Posted By SnowboundinNH: The hush money is legal, the case is about how it was disclosed as legal fees. Stormy already owes Trump hundreds of thousands of dollars for violating the NDA, though. They got her to admit she has no intention of paying it back. I’m not sure if it’s true yet, but it looks like she committed wire fraud by setting up a fake Trust to hide money so Trump couldn’t get it. She was paid to be in a documentary and set up the Trust under her daughter’s name with the producer who supposedly confessed it to Avennatti to get him to be in the documentary. He’s not exactly trustworthy himself, but he just released a statement claiming the producer told him about the Trust. And did it on a prison phone so it should be recorded. Unless it gets "lost". He mentioned that it was a recorded call in his statement. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:02:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Meathook: It is a wonder Republicans can't win and accomplish nothing. Even the people here (that aren't commies) are clueless, uninformed and can't agree on anything. Share blue is pretty strong here. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:03:18 AM EDT
[#18]
Trump - some woman in a trial broadcasting that he's sexually capable. Naughty to be a Trump voter.
Biden - old and inactive. Lifeless to be a Biden voter. The trial is absurd and says more about the partisan government and lowlife media. Actual problems, possible solutions? - Neither of those entities care. Voters settling for titillation. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:04:11 AM EDT
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A lot of you have shifted to... He had sex with Stormy but he is better than the Pedo.
Wait a sec... He said he never had sex with her. She said she never had sex with him. She currently has a monetary judgement against her for slandering him. He has been proven innocent and falsely accused in how many instances since 2015? Who has more credibility? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:07:48 AM EDT
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By trying DJT for paying hush money and establishing precedent, they can feel free to go after William Jefferson Clinton for paying 875,000 in a hush money scandal with Paula Jones. They can also feel free to investigate every member of Congress, the Senate, and all Representatives who paid hush money for sexual misconduct allegations through a tax payer funded slush fund.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:14:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rustler: How do you know this? It wasn't televised so are you just going off some pundit's opinion? No. First: There were reporters in and out of the courtroom and the overflow room that were summarizing the actual trial testimony so you could get it pretty much unfiltered and not through the lens of a commentator.... it wasn't actual transcript but the next best thing to video. Second: the official transcripts are published daily :New York Courts to Publish Daily Transcripts of Trump Trial link within If any of our resident legal scholars actually cares what was said, or wishes to see for themselves  Frankly I had expected that she was going to be eaten alive by the defense team.... today is another day. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:14:25 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gray: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gray: Originally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. Does anyone know if he actually slept with her? I don't think he did. All we have is wine dirt bag porn star who hates Trump who hates Trump and probably took money for her to make allegations. Trump says he didn't, she says he did, so who's lying? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:21:42 AM EDT
[#23]
A whore took money..........shocking.
Still voting for him. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:25:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Lug1]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: You are about to be preached to from the highest of alters on how you and the rest of us are horrible people because we could have had Ronnie D. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: Originally Posted By Lug1: Then pick a fucking side. There is a time and a place. You are not in that time and place with your comment. Best wishes, no snark intended. You are about to be preached to from the highest of alters on how you and the rest of us are horrible people because we could have had Ronnie D. At this point in time continuing to beat Trump down is counterproductive to getting rid of the pedo in chief. Trump is a MUCH better option than Biden. And the public has two fucking choices right now. THERE IS NO OPTION 3. Those who pick now to continue any trump bashing are simply not thinking clearly. Any critique belonged back when there were other viable candidates. There are no others now. These "people" need to get right with this shit. Or simply admit they love the Biden cock? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:26:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lug1: In all honestly, I mostly wasn't anti desantis. I would have accepted him. Trump is not favorite. But I recognize each cog in the wheel in the fight for the republic, whats might be left of it. At this point in time continuing to beat Trump down is counterproductive to getting rid of the pedo in chief. Trump is a MUCH better option than Biden. And the public has two fucking choices right now. THERE IS NO OPTION 3. Those who pick now to continue any trump bashing are simply not thinking clearly. Any critique belonged back when there were other viable candidates. There are no others now. These "people" need to get right with this shit. Or simply admit they love the Biden cock? Agreed. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:27:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crashburnrepeat: Does anyone know if he actually slept with her? I don't think he did. All we have is wine dirt bag porn star who hates Trump who hates Trump and probably took money for her to make allegations. Trump says he didn't, she says he did, so who's lying? Didn't she previously say they didn't? And, as I posted earlier, her old dirtbag lawyer caught on tape while attempting to blackmail another rich guy said the allegations of Trump and Stormy are mostly bullshit. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:28:00 AM EDT
[#27]
Who here hasn’t had a pornstar tryst or two?
Jeez |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:31:43 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Advance: A lot of you have shifted to... He had sex with Stormy but he is better than the Pedo. Wait a sec... He said he never had sex with her. She said she never had sex with him. She currently has a monetary judgement against her for slandering him. He has been proven innocent and falsely accused in how many instances since 2015? Who has more credibility? ...and not to put too fine a point on it, but her former lawyer...who is a specialist in extortion and was caught red handed trying to extort Nike...has said repeatedly that the entire thing was an extortion attempt from the jump. But nobody seems to want to consider that. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:35:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarzanT: Rational thinking? Most of the jurors said they get their news from the New York Times or Tik-Tok. Welcome to the world... where do you get your news info? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:39:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TxRabbitBane]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FFBK: Mostly because our religion is built on forgiveness. We also recognize that leadership skills don’t have a lot to do with his sex life. I have worked for some great fire captains/chiefs that are multiple marriages deep. I still trust their experience and decision making when it counts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FFBK: Originally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. Mostly because our religion is built on forgiveness. We also recognize that leadership skills don’t have a lot to do with his sex life. I have worked for some great fire captains/chiefs that are multiple marriages deep. I still trust their experience and decision making when it counts. He can’t keep a marriage vow, yet you think he can keep a vow to uphold the constitution? Since when did mean tweets equate to leadership ability? I guess there really is a sucker born every minute… |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:41:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RLR350]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AdLucem: No. First: There were reporters in and out of the courtroom and the overflow room that were summarizing the actual trial testimony so you could get it pretty much unfiltered and not through the lens of a commentator.... it wasn't actual transcript but the next best thing to video. Second: the official transcripts are published daily :New York Courts to Publish Daily Transcripts of Trump Trial link within If any of our resident legal scholars actually cares what was said, or wishes to see for themselves Frankly I had expected that she was going to be eaten alive by the defense team.... today is another day. I’m pretty confident you didn’t read the transcript. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:41:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: He can't keep a marriage vow, yet you think he can keep a vow to uphold the constitution? Since when did mean tweets equate to leadership ability? I guess there really is a sucker born every minute 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:45:20 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. Because I can’t prove it’s true. And neither can you. Or anyone else. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:06:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CJ7365]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lug1: Then pick a fucking side. There is a time and a place. You are not in that time and place with your comment. Best wishes, no snark intended. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lug1: Originally Posted By CJ7365: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By CJ7365: And T$ said he didn't have sex with her, fucking lol, lying fucker. Still waiting for Mexico to pay for the wall. I know right. Fuck that guy for fucking porn stars. Give us a guy who showers with his teenage daughter and fucks America instead! Good job my friend. Anywhere in my post did I say give me the pedo instead? You have a hard time comprehending my friend. Best wishes, no snark intended. Boy you guys really get your panties in a fucking wad. Guess you just can't critize orange man without getting blasted, holy shit. Best wishes as well. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:10:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wolfy42: What the fuck were you watching? On cross she said she HATED him Owed him $500,000 Wished he would goto jail That alone torpedos any cred she left Her uncontrolled testimony may elicit sympathy from the jury. But Trumps attorneys should have objected every word that came out of her mouth I wasn't in the courtroom, what were you watching? and... Not really disputing what she said... but, as you yourself say she very well may have elicited sympathy from the jury. Many witnesses express hostility towards defendants without losing, and often gaining, credibility. If trump's legal team thought she helped him they would not have demanded a mistrial. A mistrial, as I said earlier, would result in trump going back to square 1 and starting a trial anew.... so clearly they thought her testimony could be considered credible by the jury. The greatest thing trump has going for him is that this is, in my view, a very very weak case..... which he should want to bring to a conclusion and not undergo a new 4-5 week trial. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:13:06 PM EDT
[#36]
I'm not really paying attention to this mess. Politicritters do whatever they do and I just keep working my job and living my life.
My only question is what sort of audit or "forensic examination" of Trump's accounts have been discussed in court to show the money trail? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:16:42 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thedownzero: The alleged crime isn’t simply paying hush money. My understanding is the alleged use of campaign funds is what made this an issue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thedownzero: Originally Posted By BDA: So.. if its a "crime" to pay someone hush money, does that mean taking hush money is also a crime? Is she giving it back? The alleged crime isn’t simply paying hush money. My understanding is the alleged use of campaign funds is what made this an issue. Not even that. He used personal funds. NY is alleging that trump’s accountants should have listed the payment as a campaign contribution. It’s a record keeping error the Feds declined to bother with. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:18:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BDA: So.. if its a "crime" to pay someone hush money, does that mean taking hush money is also a crime? Is she giving it back? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:18:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BDA: So.. if its a "crime" to pay someone hush money Its not. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:20:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Palm]
[#40]
Did I miss read that it was the account who categorized the payment and approve it, not Trump?
Anyone who thinks that Trump does his own book keeping is not familiar on how things really work in business. The invoices would have been reviewed by the account, categorized, approved, check written, and possibly submitted to Trump for signing the check if not done so by auto pen. Think Radar O’Riley and the stack of papers to sign. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:22:11 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9divdoc: How'd her persona play with the jury...did the defense give her enough rope to hang herself credibility wise. Having a judge object to her testimony is interesting did it help the jury to see this whole thing as an injustice? She's not a shrinking violet lol and I wasn't in the court room but testimony shows she was not cowed during cross and that can help or hurt a witness. Not objecting is an attorney failure in that you lose the right to appeal and to break the momentum of testimony (something that Habba also failed to do). Some of her comments were so objectionable that the judge made the objections for trump's lawyers which is very unusual and, I think a poor showing for an otherwise skilled trial attorney. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:27:23 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doom1430: By trying DJT for paying hush money and establishing precedent, they can feel free to go after William Jefferson Clinton for paying 875,000 in a hush money scandal with Paula Jones. They can also feel free to investigate every member of Congress, the Senate, and all Representatives who paid hush money for sexual misconduct allegations through a tax payer funded slush fund. they aren't trying him for the hush money (which is legal) |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:27:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Meathook: I believe, they almost knew this was going to go off the rails and let it happen so they could declare a mistrial or use it in appeal. They didn't object because they had already objected prior to the witness being called and the jury hearing it and were overruled. How long would it take to reschedule a trial after a mistrial? It is highly unusual and I'm not certain but I believe it is usually done quickly as all the parties are available and ready for trial... |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:27:40 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJ7365: Anywhere in my post did I say give me the pedo instead? You have a hard time comprehending my friend. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJ7365: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By CJ7365: And T$ said he didn't have sex with her, fucking lol, lying fucker. Still waiting for Mexico to pay for the wall. I know right. Fuck that guy for fucking porn stars. Give us a guy who showers with his teenage daughter and fucks America instead! Good job my friend. Anywhere in my post did I say give me the pedo instead? You have a hard time comprehending my friend. Or maybe you have a hard time concealing your true colors? Big mad November 6th? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:29:23 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. I'm not voting for the decon at the church. I'm voting for the candidate that can make the best decisions running this country! No one said he was as pure as, oh I don't know every president we've ever had! Like the likes of John F Kennedy or say Bill Clinton. Right! |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:29:58 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJ7365: And T$ said he didn't have sex with her, fucking lol, lying fucker. Still waiting for Mexico to pay for the wall. Democrat Underground is the place for people with extremely low critical thinking ability, extremely low morality, extreme negative virtue and all other negative, harmful attributes. Trump hate is racist-hate, sexist-hate and just plain hate. It belongs at DU. This is Arfcom GD, this is not DU. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:33:16 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: He can't keep a marriage vow, yet you think he can keep a vow to uphold the constitution? Since when did mean tweets equate to leadership ability? I guess there really is a sucker born every minute I don't think Trump is a great leader, but that has nothing to do with keeping a marriage vow. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:33:19 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. Probably because Trump is our best and maybe our only hope for saving civilization from the hate filled, ultra racist, ultra sexist and extremely dumb Left. This is easy to understand for people with positive critical thinking ability. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:34:01 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. Let me explain. He is not my pastor. He is not leading the country's religion or faith life. Trump is a "clay footed" man. He is far from perfect but he is vastly better than biden or any other democrat. I hope this makes some sense to you. We Christians are not one dimensional non-thinkers. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:35:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeSSS: This is Arfcom GD, this is not DU. |
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