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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:10:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLookingGlass: When I think of Stormy Daniels talking about all the sexy time her and Trump had I can't help but imagine a female version of Mr. Ed narrating a Danielle Steel trashy romance book. A Whore is a Whore of course of course..... FIFY |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:10:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzersergeant: I should have clarified my comment... the left will just make up some more bullshit charges to take him to court on. And if he's convicted in this particular non-case it will most definitely be overturned on appeal. I agree that it is a bullshit case and unlikely to result in guilty verdict and if so than only to misdemeanor charges.... which mean very little. We can agree to disagree in that I think its highly unlikely any new case will be brought against him before the election and pretty much afterwards, win or lose..... I have been wrong before so time will tell |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:10:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sandbowl1980: Difference is trumps on trial for bookkeeping error. Please Trump did not use campaign funds. This trial is nothing but election interference. It's not even that. Cohen billed the Trump Org for 'legal services' and the Trump Org controller invoiced it as such. Trump himself was no longer actually in charge of the Trump Org when the checks were signed. Only Trump's vanity kept his name in the signature block. Another case where the 'alligator mouth/hummingbird ass' saying comes true. If Avenatti is to believed this is an extortion plot hatched by the whore and Cohen to make money. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:13:03 PM EDT
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I only read a NYPost article but the judge should have shut her down on objection on some of the lurid testimony
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:16:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJ7365: And T$ said he didn't have sex with her, fucking lol, lying fucker. Still waiting for Mexico to pay for the wall. Cope harder |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:21:30 PM EDT
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So what's he charged with again?
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:23:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:35:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FunnyStar: I'm leaning towards Trump.on this one. Stormy looks like a woman you just want to fuck. I do not blame Trump for that. With that said, sticking it in that hole is seriously unwise for so many reasons.  |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:40:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: https://i.imgur.com/3QiSWES.jpg I'm stuck voting for that piece of shit because my beloved Republican party has become "the Party of Trump". Because a terrible shitty "populist" so called "Republican" is better than any Democrat (to preserve the SCOTUS), I'm voting for Trump in 2024 - but under no illusions he is anything but a piece of shit with a "R" besides his name. Bigger_Hammer  Proof he fucked Stormy ? So far there is a swirl of allegations and denials, but no proof that he did. You opinion doesn't matter - what actual proof do you have ? If he did, the feds would've leaked the cellphone locator records showing them in the same room at the same time, with nobody else, or leaked CCTV footage... where is it ? And yeah, nothings perfect, but you're gonna vote for him anyway, there is no other option; RDS ain't in it, neither is Mother Teresa, Ronald Reagan, Javier Milei, Ron Paul or Rand Paul. It's Trump or Biden, stop crying about it. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:43:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 0002s: So what's he charged with again? Make up whatever you want; we are fairly well post-Constitutional now. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:44:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. and really, I don't care about what a private citizen dose with his flings. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:49:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AdLucem: "Caught?" did you not read what I said? I'll refresh your memory.... "First: There were reporters in and out of the courtroom and the overflow room that were summarizing the actual trial testimony so you could get it pretty much unfiltered and not through the lens of a commentator.... it wasn't actual transcript but the next best thing to video. Second: the official transcripts are published daily :New York Courts to Publish Daily Transcripts of Trump Trial link within If any of our resident legal scholars actually cares what was said, or wishes to see for themselves" I told you where I got my info (First) and then... where the NY State Court system is publishing the official transcripts.... if you actually care what was said (Second). You suggested I hadn't read the transcripts and I suggested you show where I misstated anything... The invitation still stands  BTW If they are not available at the crt link, you can sign up for updates with the Post which is regularly downloading these images, combining them into searchable PDFs and linking to them https://www.washingtonpost.com/newsletters/the-trump-trials/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5 or here https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/6df39b47cb7d8788/5d31eb8c-full.pdf So there is no further misunderstanding... the most recent transcript is 5-6.... seek and you shall find. You can spin that all you want. You had no idea they weren’t posted and were giving the appearance you read them. Your objective legal analysis was nothing more than subjective opinion based on biased media reports. So there is no further misunderstanding…Daniels testified on the 7th. The transcript is not available. Anyone claiming “testimony supports” is going off second hand info. In reality, you didn’t read the transcript. You tried to make people think you did. You were caught when you realized it didn’t exist. It is really simple. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:54:30 PM EDT
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It was enough to cause an appellate court to mandate a new trial.
The value to the jury to determine guilt of the alleged crime was zero. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:14:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AdLucem: You have a legal opinion but do you have a law degree yourself? Witnesses often say things they shouldn't and trials are never perfect considering human dynamics.... It takes very substantial errors to result in a mistrial and appeals remain available to a defendant who believes they were aggrieved. Maybe we should wait and see if he is found guilty, No? and... procedurally trumps lawyers should have/could have vigorously objected. To answer your question though the jury will often be instructed to ignore or not consider certain testimony. Except she is not a witness to the charged crime. Defense objected and wanted limited scope and the judge overruled and let her go. It was no accident and done to try to embarsss and for jury impact. Please don't say you think the judge is doing a good job and fair & objective. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:30:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Skydivesnake]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JKH62: Except she is not a witness to the charged crime. Defense objected and wanted limited scope and the judge overruled and let her go. It was no accident and done to try to embarsss and for jury impact. Please don't say you think the judge is doing a good job and fair & objective. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JKH62: Originally Posted By AdLucem: You have a legal opinion but do you have a law degree yourself? Witnesses often say things they shouldn't and trials are never perfect considering human dynamics.... It takes very substantial errors to result in a mistrial and appeals remain available to a defendant who believes they were aggrieved. Maybe we should wait and see if he is found guilty, No? and... procedurally trumps lawyers should have/could have vigorously objected. To answer your question though the jury will often be instructed to ignore or not consider certain testimony. Except she is not a witness to the charged crime. Defense objected and wanted limited scope and the judge overruled and let her go. It was no accident and done to try to embarsss and for jury impact. Please don't say you think the judge is doing a good job and fair & objective. Creepy lawyer has a naïve viewpoint that the rule of law is being fairly applied to Trump, and there are no political persecutions, no purposeful timing at this point in the election cycle, nothing at odds with precedent or established case law, and the multiple prosecutions are all being done by truthful, innocent, zero-agenda witnesses and lawyers, with well-meaning DAs just trying to chase down bad guys, in this case Trump.. Then add in a side order of TDS, and you get the opinions posted here, time and time again. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:34:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skydivesnake: Creepy lawyer has a naïve viewpoint that the rule of law is being fairly applied to Trump, and there are no political persecutions, no purposeful timing at this point in the election cycle, nothing at odds with precedent or established case law, and the multiple prosecutions are all being done by truthful, innocent, zero-agenda witnesses and lawyers, with well-meaning DAs just trying to chase down bad guys, in this case Trump.. Then add in a side order of TDS, and you get the opinions posted here, time and time again. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skydivesnake: Originally Posted By JKH62: Originally Posted By AdLucem: You have a legal opinion but do you have a law degree yourself? Witnesses often say things they shouldn't and trials are never perfect considering human dynamics.... It takes very substantial errors to result in a mistrial and appeals remain available to a defendant who believes they were aggrieved. Maybe we should wait and see if he is found guilty, No? and... procedurally trumps lawyers should have/could have vigorously objected. To answer your question though the jury will often be instructed to ignore or not consider certain testimony. Except she is not a witness to the charged crime. Defense objected and wanted limited scope and the judge overruled and let her go. It was no accident and done to try to embarsss and for jury impact. Please don't say you think the judge is doing a good job and fair & objective. Creepy lawyer has a naïve viewpoint that the rule of law is being fairly applied to Trump, and there are no political persecutions, no purposeful timing at this point in the election cycle, nothing at odds with precedent or established case law, and the multiple prosecutions are all being done by truthful, innocent, zero-agenda witnesses and lawyers, with well-meaning DAs just trying to chase down bad guys, in this case Trump.. Then add in a side order of TDS, and you get the opinions posted here, time and time again. I am hoping it's just TDS and is not an indicator of acumen in his trade. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:36:33 PM EDT
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Did Stormy Swallow that is the question?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:39:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BDA: So.. if its a "crime" to pay someone hush money, does that mean taking hush money is also a crime? Is she giving it back? I’m pretty certain Congress has a general slush fund for exactly this kinda thing |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:50:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JKH62: Except she is not a witness to the charged crime. Defense objected and wanted limited scope and the judge overruled and let her go. It was no accident and done to try to embarsss and for jury impact. Please don't say you think the judge is doing a good job and fair & objective. I do believe the prosecution wanted her testimony for more than their stated reason.... that she established the basis for why trump wanted the story killed.... I think their other (unstated) objective was not to embarrass trump (which does little to sway a jury), but to paint him in the poorest light possible to the jury. Her uncontrolled testimony may or may not backfire, depending on a whether trump is convicted and whether her testimony becomes the basis for an appeal. Trumps lawyers should have been objecting throughout and not waiting until it was too late, to demand a mistrial. In my view, letting her testify was not judicial error and it is the attorney's job, not the judge's to object when testimony is overly prejudicial. In this case the judge helped the defense by shutting her down and then by giving her specific instructions about her further testimony. I am not an expert on these types of appeals so you can take my opinion as.... just that. I didn't follow the proceedings on twitter today and am looking forward to see how it went and the GD commentary that follows. I make no secret of my dislike for trump, for the NY County District Attorney, the merits of the prosecution's case or the courtroom skills of the defense. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:51:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 0002s: So what's he charged with again? Running for President against Biden. They know people can’t stand Biden and need to make Trump look bad. Welcome to the new improved banana republic. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:52:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeSSS: Using T$ outs people as extreme haters, extreme racists, extreme sexists and having extreme low net IQ. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeSSS: Originally Posted By Explorer225: Something about T$ being hung like a mouse and preferred to be a receiver instead of a giver? Using T$ outs people as extreme haters, extreme racists, extreme sexists and having extreme low net IQ. Don't be so touchy. Who he has or is fucking has zero impact on him being a good president. Hell he could be fucking you and I wouldn't care. 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:03:45 PM EDT
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Wouldn't that be something IF one of the jurors actually used unbiased cognitive skills,was able to resist peer pressure and stick to a "not guilty" verdict.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:14:12 PM EDT
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Former US president on national TV in a courtroom for having sex with a porn star. I’m pretty sure the rest of the world is laughing at us.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:15:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skydivesnake: Creepy lawyer has a naïve viewpoint that the rule of law is being fairly applied to Trump, and there are no political persecutions, no purposeful timing at this point in the election cycle, nothing at odds with precedent or established case law, and the multiple prosecutions are all being done by truthful, innocent, zero-agenda witnesses and lawyers, with well-meaning DAs just trying to chase down bad guys, in this case Trump.. Then add in a side order of TDS, and you get the opinions posted here, time and time again. "Creepy?" Are you name calling.... again? lol For what its worth "Creepy behavior" would be better defined as your stalking me in threads, alleging, without basis, a political position which I do not hold (see above), trying to suggest I was insinuating you were a pedophile when I asked you if your "womenfolk" agreed with your contention that trump had prior consent to grab women by the pussy? This, after writing me a pvt IM to join in your discussion.... Something you have admitted... Creepy and weird behavior, no? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:16:26 PM EDT
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@AdLucem
If there really isn't a charge, "other than conspiracy....to WHAT?" New York's statutes of limitation is past the misuse of campaign funds angle. Even if it wasn't, it's a misdemeanor crime. New York can't charge someone with a Federal Crime. The DOJ has pasted on charging Trump federally. Given these 3 realities, what is the Judge going to instruct the jury to deliberate on? There really isn't a charge here. What is the penalty(s) for what he doesn't know he's being charged with? Is this just for show and an attempt to have Trump, and his team fuck up and open the door to a crime and then they can charge this. While I'm no lawyer, doesn't the state actually have to charge someone with a crime that was committed in that state and tell everyone what that is at the start of the trial? Also, am I wrong to believe you can't charge someone, hold a trial all with the express purpose of trying to get to another crime you aren't able to charge him with? This whole things seems to be a complete waste of time and has so...... many appeals. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:20:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 0002s: @AdLucem If there really isn't a charge, "other than conspiracy....to WHAT?" New York's statutes of limitation is past the misuse of campaign funds angle. Even if it wasn't, it's a misdemeanor crime. New York can't charge someone with a Federal Crime. The DOJ has pasted on charging Trump federally. Given these 3 realities, what is the Judge going to instruct the jury to deliberate on? There really isn't a charge here. What is the penalty(s) for what he doesn't know he's being charged with? Is this just for show and an attempt to have Trump, and his team fuck up and open the door to a crime and then they can charge this. While I'm no lawyer, doesn't the state actually have to charge someone with a crime that was committed in that state and tell everyone what that is at the start of the trial? Also, am I wrong to believe you can't charge someone, hold a trial all with the express purpose of trying to get to another crime you aren't able to charge him with? This whole things seems to be a complete waste of time and has so...... many appeals. That’s the beauty of some of these cases, they get to presume guilt on federal crimes and all they have to do is get a conviction on a misdemeanor, and Boom!, it’s a felony! This ones awesome because he gets a felony for every entry made in every ledger regarding an installment of the larger sum. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:20:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Meathook: I guess it is all perspective. I thought she was a train wreck. I don't think she hurt trump at all. The only relevance of this trial is it is keeping Trump from campaigning. It will never hold up on appeal even if the jurors say he is guilty. She pretty much was a train wreck, the Defense objected to the line of questioning and of course the judge sustained the obligations, in turn the Trump lawyers knew she was hanging herself so they just let her continue. There is an old adage "Never Interrupt your enemy, when they are in the process of destroying themselves". Trumps team allowed her do just that. Testimony continues Thursday. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:22:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. This one doesn't. But what are you going to do, vote Biden or RFK? I half ass want to vote RFK just to throw another wrench in the govt. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:24:15 PM EDT
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Gonna try to work in the word, "salacious" into conversation today.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:27:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SS65: Perfect response. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SS65: Originally Posted By FFBK: Mostly because our religion is built on forgiveness. We also recognize that leadership skills don't have a lot to do with his sex life. I have worked for some great fire captains/chiefs that are multiple marriages deep. I still trust their experience and decision making when it counts. I concur. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:28:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: That’s the beauty of some of these cases, they get to presume guilt on federal crimes and all they have to do is get a conviction on a misdemeanor, and Boom!, it’s a felony! This ones awesome because he gets a felony for every entry made in every ledger regarding an installment of the larger sum. I don't believe NY is able to charge Trump with a Federal Crime. Although in my extensive Perry Mason watching, he never had an a former President pay a hooker for a NDA to avoid the story of fucking her making the news. FDR's and Kennedy's NDS must have been tighter. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:31:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SS65: Agreed. From what I heard defense objected to her testimony as irrelevant but the corrupt judge overruled them. The case is strictly a business records case, not whether he did or didn't have relations with that woman. Prosecutors have to prove that Trump personally ordered the so-called misclassification of the NDA payment and that his one and only motivation was political. The prosecution's own witnesses torpedoed their case. The comptroller stated, under oath that he, and he alone chose to categorize the payment as a legal expense and never even spoke to Trump. Another prosecution witness testified that Trump was very concerned about the effect this "affair" would have on his marriage and family. There is no valid case against Trump. It's entirely political. Judge allowed Daniel's testimony to damage Trump and muddy the water in the jury's mind in hopes of a conviction based on emotions or partisanship instead of actual facts and evidence. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SS65: Originally Posted By Meathook: I guess it is all perspective. I thought she was a train wreck. I don't think she hurt trump at all. The only relevance of this trial is it is keeping Trump from campaigning. It will never hold up on appeal even if the jurors say he is guilty. And in a just society that should get him disbarred and disrobed. At minimum. But I’m not holding my breath. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:31:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VACaver: Why didn't his lawyers use the statement she signed saying it never happened? Yes, she has said she felt "forced" to sign it, but nonetheless, here's a written signed statement by her saying it never happened. Seems to me that should have been used by his defense. Wondering the same thing. She's denied it several times over the years, then finally put it in writing. I have to think someone is paying her to do an about face. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:57:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sandbowl1980]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_Hi_Desert: It's not even that. Cohen billed the Trump Org for 'legal services' and the Trump Org controller invoiced it as such. Trump himself was no longer actually in charge of the Trump Org when the checks were signed. Only Trump's vanity kept his name in the signature block. Another case where the 'alligator mouth/hummingbird ass' saying comes true. If Avenatti is to believed this is an extortion plot hatched by the whore and Cohen to make money. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_Hi_Desert: Originally Posted By Sandbowl1980: Difference is trumps on trial for bookkeeping error. Please Trump did not use campaign funds. This trial is nothing but election interference. It's not even that. Cohen billed the Trump Org for 'legal services' and the Trump Org controller invoiced it as such. Trump himself was no longer actually in charge of the Trump Org when the checks were signed. Only Trump's vanity kept his name in the signature block. Another case where the 'alligator mouth/hummingbird ass' saying comes true. If Avenatti is to believed this is an extortion plot hatched by the whore and Cohen to make money. It looks that way |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:58:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 0002s: So what's he charged with again? I honestly do not know anymore. Either way it's all BS to obstruct his election bid |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:10:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HK-GUY45: Former US president on national TV in a courtroom for having sex with a porn star. I’m pretty sure the rest of the world is laughing at us. Trump was never anything but a WWF type "Reality TV" actor. As a President, he'll end up ranked in the bottom 5 within 20 years. Sure, Trump sent "mean tweets" & ginned up the MAGA bunch, but where it really counted, Trump couldn't coalition build with Independents, Democrats or even within his own party to actually achieve long term legislative goals & accomplishments. Trump is best remembered for three SCOTUS Justices, of who credit for two of them being sworn in is squarely on Mitch McConnell for ram rodding the Senate to (A) keep Obama's pick out & (B) rush Amy Barrett onto the court before Trump's loss in 2020. I'm voting straight Republican (again) in 2024 because even a shitbag like Trump is better than a Democrat because of the damage of having a Democrat.president for 4 or 8 years of Democrats replacing SCOTUS justices & taking over the Court. Trump is our very own Sylvia Berlusconi - a "rich guy" who said outrageous things to keep the spotlight on him & then whines how "unfair" it all is when his sexual "incidents" also came to light. @HK-GUY45: Bigger_Hammer |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:14:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AdLucem: I do believe the prosecution wanted her testimony for more than their stated reason.... that she established the basis for why trump wanted the story killed.... I think their other (unstated) objective was not to embarrass trump (which does little to sway a jury), but to paint him in the poorest light possible to the jury. Her uncontrolled testimony may or may not backfire, depending on a whether trump is convicted and whether her testimony becomes the basis for an appeal. Trumps lawyers should have been objecting throughout and not waiting until it was too late, to demand a mistrial. In my view, letting her testify was not judicial error and it is the attorney's job, not the judge's to object when testimony is overly prejudicial. In this case the judge helped the defense by shutting her down and then by giving her specific instructions about her further testimony. I am not an expert on these types of appeals so you can take my opinion as.... just that. I didn't follow the proceedings on twitter today and am looking forward to see how it went and the GD commentary that follows. I make no secret of my dislike for trump, for the NY County District Attorney, the merits of the prosecution's case or the courtroom skills of the defense. Trump is no saint and rubs many people the wrong way. What's happening to him legally is a total farce and abuse of the legal system for a desired outcome IMHO. That's wrong no matter who it is. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:21:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JKH62: Trump is no saint and rubs many people the wrong way. What's happening to him legally is a total farce and abuse of the legal system for a desired outcome IMHO. That's wrong no matter who it is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JKH62: Originally Posted By AdLucem: I do believe the prosecution wanted her testimony for more than their stated reason.... that she established the basis for why trump wanted the story killed.... I think their other (unstated) objective was not to embarrass trump (which does little to sway a jury), but to paint him in the poorest light possible to the jury. Her uncontrolled testimony may or may not backfire, depending on a whether trump is convicted and whether her testimony becomes the basis for an appeal. Trumps lawyers should have been objecting throughout and not waiting until it was too late, to demand a mistrial. In my view, letting her testify was not judicial error and it is the attorney's job, not the judge's to object when testimony is overly prejudicial. In this case the judge helped the defense by shutting her down and then by giving her specific instructions about her further testimony. I am not an expert on these types of appeals so you can take my opinion as.... just that. I didn't follow the proceedings on twitter today and am looking forward to see how it went and the GD commentary that follows. I make no secret of my dislike for trump, for the NY County District Attorney, the merits of the prosecution's case or the courtroom skills of the defense. Trump is no saint and rubs many people the wrong way. What's happening to him legally is a total farce and abuse of the legal system for a desired outcome IMHO. That's wrong no matter who it is. It’s billed to the masses as the “hush money trial”. Bill Clinton paid a bunch of hush money and the same people didn’t care. JFK and the rest of his family may as well have invented the term, but the same people ignore it. If hush money is the issue, why not vilify them? If it’s a crime, why didn’t WJC go through this? If the issue is that funds were misappropriated (which is actually illegal), Daniel’s testimony should only be that she received money. The rest is totally irrelevant to the case (where is Trump’s crackerjack legal team on that?). Trump is a bad person, a bad president, and a toxic candidate, but this whole process reeks. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:23:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. Id rather have a dude that likes to get strange, but is a solid executive with a track record of success AND also a long track record of being pro-American. The morality of what he does isnt for me to care. Why? Because if anyone marries Donald Trump simply for love then they arent paying attention. I think he does in fact love Melania and I also think he enjoys sex with hoes. Christ, Obama was probably out blowing dudes when he could get away, Can you imagine being that lone Secret Service agent that had to escort Barry from the White House to a secure gay trap house? Or Clinton. Bush probably had a side piece. HW, maybe not. Reagan? Probably got some strange being he was from Hollywood. I dont give a fuck what you do with your dick or vagina during your personal time. As the Chief Executive, I expect you to oversee the nation in a manner commensurate with the platform they were voted in on, set us on a course for economic prosperity with Congress, ensure that our enemies are kept at bay and dealt with preeminently and protect the Constitution. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:24:16 PM EDT
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Who cares, she’s a lying whore.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:29:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cash50: This one doesn't. But what are you going to do, vote Biden or RFK? I half ass want to vote RFK just to throw another wrench in the govt. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cash50: Originally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. This one doesn't. But what are you going to do, vote Biden or RFK? I half ass want to vote RFK just to throw another wrench in the govt. Electing Biden will certainly throw another wrench in our government. Not voting for Trump is a vote to continue the Biden regime. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:30:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 0002s: @AdLucem If there really isn't a charge, "other than conspiracy....to WHAT?" New York's statutes of limitation is past the misuse of campaign funds angle. Even if it wasn't, it's a misdemeanor crime. New York can't charge someone with a Federal Crime. The DOJ has pasted on charging Trump federally. Given these 3 realities, what is the Judge going to instruct the jury to deliberate on? There really isn't a charge here. What is the penalty(s) for what he doesn't know he's being charged with? Is this just for show and an attempt to have Trump, and his team fuck up and open the door to a crime and then they can charge this. While I'm no lawyer, doesn't the state actually have to charge someone with a crime that was committed in that state and tell everyone what that is at the start of the trial? Also, am I wrong to believe you can't charge someone, hold a trial all with the express purpose of trying to get to another crime you aren't able to charge him with? This whole things seems to be a complete waste of time and has so...... many appeals. I agree this unknown underlying felony, if its a federal charge that the Garland justice department passed on, is highly speculative and appears to be an effort by the Manhattan DA to make a felony out of a weak misdemeanor. How you use an underlying felony without charging that felony or having a conviction for that felony.... smells. We will find out what that underlying felony is when they charge the jury with the actual crimes they must consider because, that felony is a necessary component/element. Why its been kept under a cloak of secrecy also appears unusual... at least to me. I don't really see this as some type of crime trap but agree that it seems like a waste of time... Appeals by those that can afford them can do more than put forward legal claims they can cause precious delays in pending court actions and in affirming ultimate judicial determinations or.... convictions. This whole thing seems like a waste of time... even in the unlikely event trump is convicted he will never see the inside of a cell or be barred from the presidency.... The other Federal cases are far more perilous but they have been successfully stalled. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:55:49 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HK-GUY45: Former US president on national TV in a courtroom for having sex with a porn star. I’m pretty sure the rest of the world is laughing at us. Only because some Americans care. Men in power fuck who they want. It's that way everywhere else, and it's been that way throughout human history. The world is laughing at us, not him. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:57:21 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: https://i.imgur.com/3QiSWES.jpg I'm stuck voting for that piece of shit because my beloved Republican party has become "the Party of Trump". Because a terrible shitty "populist" so called "Republican" is better than any Democrat (to preserve the SCOTUS), I'm voting for Trump in 2024 - but under no illusions he is anything but a piece of shit with a "R" besides his name. Bigger_Hammer I still don’t understand how you all can state as a fact that he fucked the porn star. Because you would have? But seriously, you must have proof….bring it forward. He states he did not. She said prior to this that he did not. Oh, you don't have proof? No shit. But that won’t stop you from trashing someone you don’t like. Truth won’t get in the way, will it? Shit like this drives me crazy. And not just in this case. All these people in this thread (and all over the net) making claims without a shred of proof and in the SAME post making judgements about virtue and integrity. The irony is thicker than Honey Boo-Boo’s ankles. Y’all need to take a long look in the mirror and be honest about what you are. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:19:59 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JKH62: Trump is no saint and rubs many people the wrong way. What's happening to him legally is a total farce and abuse of the legal system for a desired outcome IMHO. That's wrong no matter who it is. Yes he "rubs me the wrong way.." Trump was a anti gun ny democrat who suddenly started masquerading as a republican. I had hoped he would rise to the occasion when we elected him but in my view he completely failed our 2A community and the GOP. But... yes this case appears a tortured effort by Bragg to create a nonexistent felony where none exists, particularly in light of the apparent pass by the DOJ on the underlying charge. These types of prosecutions erode the faith by the public in our justice system. I think most local prosecutors would have passed, like the DOJ, on this prosecution. But its Bragg who has no sense of justice or law and order... |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:26:44 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gorby: I wonder why the religious DJT supporters give him a pass on the adultery thing. Don’t give a fuck! He can be as womanizing as Kennedy and his brother for all I care so as long as he puts America first over any shit hole nation on this planet! Show me a leader here or anywhere that does not have a mistress or sex on the side. YOU CANT so this is a moot point! I didn’t vote for his piety. I voted for him to make the left go suicide in large numbers! He could bang a crack whore on the Resolute desk for all I care! |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:38:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bigger_Hammer]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NorthBridge: I still don’t understand how you all can state as a fact that he fucked the porn star. Because you would have? But seriously, you must have proof….bring it forward. He states he did not. She said prior to this that he did not. Oh, you don't have proof? No shit. But that won’t stop you from trashing someone you don’t like. Truth won’t get in the way, will it? Shit like this drives me crazy. And not just in this case. All these people in this thread (and all over the net) making claims without a shred of proof and in the SAME post making judgements about virtue and integrity. The irony is thicker than Honey Boo-Boo’s ankles. Y’all need to take a long look in the mirror and be honest about what you are. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NorthBridge: Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: https://i.imgur.com/3QiSWES.jpg I'm stuck voting for that piece of shit because my beloved Republican party has become "the Party of Trump". Because a terrible shitty "populist" so called "Republican" is better than any Democrat (to preserve the SCOTUS), I'm voting for Trump in 2024 - but under no illusions he is anything but a piece of shit with a "R" besides his name. Bigger_Hammer I still don’t understand how you all can state as a fact that he fucked the porn star. Because you would have? But seriously, you must have proof….bring it forward. He states he did not. She said prior to this that he did not. Oh, you don't have proof? No shit. But that won’t stop you from trashing someone you don’t like. Truth won’t get in the way, will it? Shit like this drives me crazy. And not just in this case. All these people in this thread (and all over the net) making claims without a shred of proof and in the SAME post making judgements about virtue and integrity. The irony is thicker than Honey Boo-Boo’s ankles. Y’all need to take a long look in the mirror and be honest about what you are. I've been very critical of Joe Biden since the 2020 elections. Why didn't you chastise me then? I made judgements Biden was unfit as President & a complete idiot. Is that being too Judgemental for Your delicate sensitivity?   So Trump, a super sharp businessman, said a Porn Starlett that he had NOTHING to do with, got a six figure check ... for absolutely nothing?  And Team Trump had the National Inquirer buy up Karen McDougals story for another Six figure payoff & then kill the story instead of running a HUGE story - because Trump had nothing to do with her?  I always thought Bill Clinton has a scumbag womanizer who constantly cheated on his wife (singular) all along. And I have no problem thinking that Donald Trump is also a scumbag womanizer who cheated on his wives (multiple clearly with wife 1 & 2 highly likely with #3) because he thought "rules" don't apply to him. Melania hasn't been seen in the courtroom or even with Trump lately, so what does that say about things? I never cheated on my wife, despite many opportunities to have done so. I have never bankrupted multiple companies and walked away from my debts even when others were doing so. I always tell the truth & have never been sued. Over the years I raised Four great & successful kids by living "traditional" values of truth, honesty, hard work & living honorably. Funny how your life lacks a lot of "Reality TV drama" when you live that way. The dispute is NOT that multiple Six Figure Hush payments were made to multiple women for sexual relationships with Trump, but that Team Trump tried to hide the payments into Campaign funds. I Don't have to like Trump (turd that he is) but I will still hold my nose & vote "R" slate because I've votes "R" since Reagan. I can balance voting "R" candidate with the fact that Trump is a liar & trash. So you worry about your life & be sure to post to scold all those folks who post "bad things" (yet unproven in a Court of law) about Joe Biden . Bigger_Hammer
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:39:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HRJ]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: I've been very critical of Joe Biden since the 2020 elections. Why didn't you chastise me then? I made judgements Biden was unfit as President & a complete idiot. Is that being too Judgemental for Your delicate sensitivity? So Trump, a super sharp businessman, said a Porn Starlett that he had NOTHING to do with six figures for a absolutely nothing? And he had his buddy at National Inquirer buy up Karen McDougals story for Six figure payoff & then kill it - because Trump had nothing to do with her? I always thought Bill Clinton has a scumbag womanizer who constantly cheated on his wife (singular) all along. And I have no problem thinking that Donald Trump is also a scumbag womanizer who cheated on his wives (multiple 1, 2 & 3) because he thought rules don't apply to him. Melania hasn't been seen in the courtroom or even with Trump lately, so what does that say about things? I never cheated on my wife, despite many opportunities to have done so. I have never bankrupted multiple companies and walked away from my debts even when others were doing so. I always tell the truth & have never been sued. Over the years I raised Four great & successful kids by living "traditional" values of truth, honesty, hard work & living honorably. Funny how your life lacks a lot of "Reality TV drama" when you live that way. The dispute is NOT that multiple Six Figure Hush payments were made to multiple women for sexual relationships with Trump, but that Team Trump tried to hide the payments into Campaign funds. I Don't have to like Trump (turd that he is) but I will still hold my nose & vote "R" slate because I've votes "R" since Reagan. I can balance voting "R" candidate with the fact that Trump is a liar & trash. So you worry about your life & be sure to post to scold all those folks who post "bad things" (yet unproven in a Court of law) about Joe Biden . Bigger_Hammer That’s a lot of words to say “I’m a hypocrite” You talk about how virtuous you are, then make an assertion that has been denied a fact without any evidence I hope you are just dense. I could kinda respect your passion if you’re just a window licker. But I doubt it. I think you lack principles |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:40:26 PM EDT
[#49]
I haven't read the transcripts but it sounds like she is claiming that she was drugged. Is this the felony (rape) that Bragg thinks will be the path to get a BS misdemeanor upgraded to a felony? It could be a tactic beyond just trying to embarrass Trump.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:48:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bigger_Hammer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NorthBridge: That’s a lot of words to say “I’m a hypocrite” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NorthBridge: Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: I've been very critical of Joe Biden since the 2020 elections. Why didn't you chastise me then? I made judgements Biden was unfit as President & a complete idiot. Is that being too Judgemental for Your delicate sensitivity? So Trump, a super sharp businessman, said a Porn Starlett that he had NOTHING to do with six figures for a absolutely nothing? And he had his buddy at National Inquirer buy up Karen McDougals story for Six figure payoff & then kill it - because Trump had nothing to do with her? I always thought Bill Clinton has a scumbag womanizer who constantly cheated on his wife (singular) all along. And I have no problem thinking that Donald Trump is also a scumbag womanizer who cheated on his wives (multiple 1, 2 & 3) because he thought rules don't apply to him. Melania hasn't been seen in the courtroom or even with Trump lately, so what does that say about things? I never cheated on my wife, despite many opportunities to have done so. I have never bankrupted multiple companies and walked away from my debts even when others were doing so. I always tell the truth & have never been sued. Over the years I raised Four great & successful kids by living "traditional" values of truth, honesty, hard work & living honorably. Funny how your life lacks a lot of "Reality TV drama" when you live that way. The dispute is NOT that multiple Six Figure Hush payments were made to multiple women for sexual relationships with Trump, but that Team Trump tried to hide the payments into Campaign funds. I Don't have to like Trump (turd that he is) but I will still hold my nose & vote "R" slate because I've votes "R" since Reagan. I can balance voting "R" candidate with the fact that Trump is a liar & trash. So you worry about your life & be sure to post to scold all those folks who post "bad things" (yet unproven in a Court of law) about Joe Biden . Bigger_Hammer That’s a lot of words to say “I’m a hypocrite” LOL!  Accuse others of what you are yourself - right from the playbook eh? Clearly You are the hypocrite.  Why aren't you calling out all the people who post "unsubstantiated stories" about Joe Biden? Come On Man, We.are waiting for you to answer that question. Why weren't you critical & criticizing other posters.about other "unsubstantiated stories" not yet proven in a Court of Law? I'm pretty sure Joe Biden is 100% an idiot & unfit to be president. I'm going to Vote for Trump (again).in 2024, but I can certainly call him shit for living a life of shit behavior for most of his life. Bigger_Hammer
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