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Posted: 5/7/2024 6:44:03 PM EDT
@LittlePony
This mechanic claims the oil passages are blocked with flashing and chips from machining. "In one of his newer videos, Sparky gives us the inside insights on what’s causing the rod knock on the engine he’s working on. At the start of the clips he says both Kia and Hyundai engines suffer from the same issues he’s about to pinpoint, but he doesn’t disclose what make or model the engine in question came out of. That said, he goes on to pin the blame on “oil starvation,” which he suggests is frequently caused by negligent owners who don’t detect oil leaks or keep fresh oil in their vehicle. In the engine he’s trying to fix, though, Sparky said that poor manufacturing practices by the automaker are the culprit. “It’s the manufacturing of the crank at the factory when they drill the holes for the oil passages,” he said, while moving close to view the different cylinders. “Over here… you have a nice oil passage. This (other) one failed. This one has a rod. This one has a knock.” When Sparky runs an air compressor through a working oil passage it’s clear there’s air moving around and environment where oil can flow to keep things lubricated. For the chamber on the other end, though, you hear nothing. “You put air in here, nothing. That’s because when they machine it, all the filings, they don’t clean them out enough. They build up usually to one area. Now this has no oil circulating through it. And what happens? It blows out, and that’s why it just totally destroyed the bearing in here." https://www.dailydot.com/news/kia-hyundai-engine-problems/ . |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 6:51:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bloviator]
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That's pretty well known IIRC. Leftover casting material in the oil passages.
Don't think that's the only problem though. They all sound like electric pencil sharpeners even when they're running "right". |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 6:56:06 PM EDT
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Had a similar issue with an early ‘88 Excel. Issue was cooling. Hyundai replaced the block under warranty. Local dealer said his mechanic suspected some passages for coolant flow weren’t machined through. They were annoyed because they had to waste hours on radiator, thermostat, etc. when their mechanic suspected a defective block early on, but Hyundai wouldn’t replace the block without ruling out cheaper issues first.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 6:58:41 PM EDT
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I'll go with 10k+ mile oil changes and generally more of a lazy/cheap owner base.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:13:02 PM EDT
[#4]
Decades designing and making engines.
With little improvement. 
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:13:37 PM EDT
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Rod bearings starting to spin real fast... 'Cause of the gayness.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:22:02 PM EDT
[#6]
That website has AIDS
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:24:30 PM EDT
[#7]
on my 4th kia with zero issues first 3 got traded in at around 100k.
kia's are all over the place here and i know tons of people that own them. i hear of very few issues and the only major issues i have heard about were on older models. i have been nothing but happy with them. every brand has had it's share of issues. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:25:26 PM EDT
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Kia does know how to make good engines and even good cars. Back in the mid 90's they had a car with a 1.8L mazda clone motor. In fact, the whole car was a clone of a mazda protege with only minor changes. Almost all the parts were directly swappable. They actually made good cars and motors back then that lasted a long time. they have the knowhow to do it, but I suspect the bean counters are responsible for this modern rash of failing kia engines, by cutting costs everywhere imaginable, and even places they should not have costs cut.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:27:16 PM EDT
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My wife's Optima's engine disassembled on the interstate last summer due to a design flaw..............engine was replaced but it was a pain in the ass
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:30:10 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alembic: Decades designing and making engines. With little improvement. The problem is the engine blocks were not properly cleaned after machining. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:30:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Palm]
[#11]
There are several great YouTube sites hosted by engine rebuilders. It is quite interesting to see them tear down an engine to diagnose the failure cause. Dave’s Auto Center comes to mind. Flying Wrenches is another channel that deals with only Fords trucks.
These sites are professionally written, filmed, and produced. It is no longer amateur hour on YouTube. The auto manufacturers should make watching them mandatory for their engineers. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:30:18 PM EDT
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Is this still a problem? You'd think they'd have this sorted out by now.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:39:17 PM EDT
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Cast flashing breaking loose was a problem in chevy truck transmissions 20 years ago. Little pieces would keep the balls from shuffling around and letting it shift. It isn't just a Korean car thing.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:41:26 PM EDT
[#14]
Is LittlePony still around?
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:45:15 PM EDT
[#15]
Our motor was replaced under warranty at 105k due to this issue. I think I made out good but I don’t have a whole lot of faith in the motors longevity.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:45:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MilHouse-556: I'll go with 10k+ mile oil changes and generally more of a lazy/cheap owner base. Oil change intervals are a thing of science. I do 14k and my car has 204k on it. Engine and all. Oul analysis shows I still have the additives left for several thousand more miles if I wanted to push it. It's not magic. It's quite well understood. Highway miles are easy on an engine. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:52:24 PM EDT
[#17]
So manufacturing quality does matter, not speed of machining/assembly. It really is nothing new. I saw a first oil change on a new brand new car after 5000 miles display metal shaving that were obviously from manufacturing of the engine. American made car, Dodge Stratus of the mid 90's era.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:55:44 PM EDT
[#18]
90K on my wife's 2014 Kia Soul and 125K on my 2014 Kia Forte so far with zero issues since new. Best bargain in new cars IMO. Will buy again.
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MD, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:56:51 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: on my 4th kia with zero issues first 3 got traded in at around 100k. kia's are all over the place here and i know tons of people that own them. i hear of very few issues and the only major issues i have heard about were on older models. i have been nothing but happy with them. every brand has had it's share of issues. 2 major recalls stemming from class action suits, covering the last decade plus and offering free engine replacement as long as the owners got a software update to the knock sensor. I have a friend who's optima 1.6 is one of the few models not covered by the recall. Engine went poof at 105k. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:31:33 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman: Is LittlePony still around? Yes. But you have to @LittlePony instead of just saying his name 3 times. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:47:13 AM EDT
[#21]
I’ve got a Kia sat outside with over 200k.
I sold my other Kia to a friend it’s still good at around 120k. Neither has had any engine issues at all. In fact in 4 years of owning mine zero issuses. Her had a gear box issue when we had a heatwave. It needed re calibrating or something. That’s it in 200k |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:29:24 AM EDT
[#22]
This is fucking depressing, you'd think the future would mean better, more reliable cars. But instead it's gotten worse, no one will ever make another car that's as reliable as a early 2000s Toyota.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:53:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anymanusa: Oil change intervals are a thing of science. I do 14k and my car has 204k on it. Engine and all. Oul analysis shows I still have the additives left for several thousand more miles if I wanted to push it. It's not magic. It's quite well understood. Highway miles are easy on an engine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anymanusa: Originally Posted By MilHouse-556: I'll go with 10k+ mile oil changes and generally more of a lazy/cheap owner base. Oil change intervals are a thing of science. I do 14k and my car has 204k on it. Engine and all. Oul analysis shows I still have the additives left for several thousand more miles if I wanted to push it. It's not magic. It's quite well understood. Highway miles are easy on an engine. Kia's owners manuals says "hills" are a severe driving condition and reduce the oil change interval.  Kharn |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:40:00 AM EDT
[#24]
I would never support a product whose brand logo appears as a capital K followed by a backward N. Makes the corporate branding goons look like smooth brains trying to look cool.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:43:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wc22312]
[#25]
Will this thread be about ICE or llama?
I want an N line elantra or veloster |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:50:44 AM EDT
[#26]
Automotive thread... Has anyone blamed the engineers yet?
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USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:54:18 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FunnyStar: So manufacturing quality does matter, not speed of machining/assembly. It really is nothing new. I saw a first oil change on a new brand new car after 5000 miles display metal shaving that were obviously from manufacturing of the engine. American made car, Dodge Stratus of the mid 90's era. The Stratus sucked as a car. Most Dodge cars are trash. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:24:52 AM EDT
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I remember being told that we were going to do an extended oil change test on a semi at work one day. I said ok, just let me know when to get it changed. They never told me to change it. Ended up being 125,000 miles on the oil change from new with no oil change for the break in period. Oil samples were being taken twice a week. Engine got 250,000 miles before it was pulled to see how good or bad it was. Never heard back about it.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:30:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MilHouse-556: I'll go with 10k+ mile oil changes and generally more of a lazy/cheap owner base. this also |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:50:02 AM EDT
[#30]
Local Toyota dealership has replaced several new Tundra engines for the same reason
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:23:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MilHouse-556: I'll go with 10k+ mile oil changes and generally more of a lazy/cheap owner base. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MilHouse-556: I'll go with 10k+ mile oil changes and generally more of a lazy/cheap owner base. Possibly contributory in some cases, but as Bloviator and others note, it's been an acknowledge defect with subsequent consent decrees and settlements, extending back a decade or more. From 2020 NHSTA filing -  Attached FileAll companies have issues, but result of this magnitude, and never of such a major component for so long - and no other automotive mfg I'm aware of has had a whistle blower awarded $24M. The U.S. government's road safety agency has paid more than $24 million to a whistleblower who reported that Hyundai and Kia moved too slowly to recall over 1 million vehicles with engines that could freeze up or catch fire. The agency didn't identify the whistleblower in a statement Tuesday announcing the payment. The statement said the automakers "inaccurately reported crucial information to NHTSA about serious defects in the engines. https://www.thedrive.com/news/600k-mile-kia-sorento-driver-milks-10-year-warranty-for-9-engines https://www.thedrive.com/news/hyundai-and-kia-earmark-a-further-2-billion-to-fix-known-engine-issues https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/little-known-loophole-kia-hyundai-limited-lifetime-warranty/63-44ad5236-6b2b-41e1-86da-1cb0cbe6c8f0 https://jalopnik.com/hyundai-finally-replaced-my-engine-millions-of-other-o-1851056899 Now concern about some of Korea Motors previously unaffected engines https://www.carscoops.com/2024/02/2024-kia-telluride-engines-could-go-bang-because-of-faulty-valve-springs/ Anecdotes are great - but data and hard money are real. If you dont experience the engine defect (upgrade KSDS), Theft, HECU and few a few other issues, insurance may become an issue. We've had a number of threads here where peeps have had issues having engines replaced. But sure, if you don't have these issues they generally are a very good car. I just don't think the slim savings justify the potential hassles - or disaster - any longer. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:29:53 AM EDT
[#32]
My 2012 Optima went boom at 76k. Replacement engine now has same amount. Brakes, tires, engine swaps. Standard maintenance. Because I hit something in the road that took off my transmission, it got swapped with a lifetime of owner rebuild. Goal is to make it until my 8yo starts driving. Lol.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:40:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By prossound: Local Toyota dealership has replaced several new Tundra engines for the same reason There's more than few. There were also less than 100 3UR-FE 5.7L that had poor cam mfg and they literally broke. Also the Turbo failures. Probably should count the bZ4X wheels literally coming off that took 3 months to remedy at debut. But added together about 8-9 million fewer Toyotas, in a small percentage of initial producing run (not stretching nearly a decade), that in each case has been remedied without settlements, fines, and consent decrees, Let's not pretend there's any similarity |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:47:29 AM EDT
[#34]
I think it’s telling when you circle the back lot at a dealer and they have stacks of engine crates in the yard.
Of course, a service manager at the Chevy dealer told me that he wished he could get stacks of engines. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:48:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: Possibly contributory in some cases, but as Bloviator notes, it's been an acknowledge defect with subsequent consent decrees and settlements. From 2020 NHSTA filing - https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_1750_jpeg-3208568.JPG All companies have issues, but result of this magnitude, and never of such a major component for so long - and no other automotive mfg I'm aware of has had a whistle blower awarded $24M. https://www.npr.org/2021/11/09/1053985268/whistleblower-gets-more-than-24m-for-reporting-hyundai-and-kia-over-engine-fires https://www.thedrive.com/news/600k-mile-kia-sorento-driver-milks-10-year-warranty-for-9-engines https://www.thedrive.com/news/hyundai-and-kia-earmark-a-further-2-billion-to-fix-known-engine-issues https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/little-known-loophole-kia-hyundai-limited-lifetime-warranty/63-44ad5236-6b2b-41e1-86da-1cb0cbe6c8f0 https://jalopnik.com/hyundai-finally-replaced-my-engine-millions-of-other-o-1851056899 Now concern about some of Korea Motors previously unaffected engines https://www.carscoops.com/2024/02/2024-kia-telluride-engines-could-go-bang-because-of-faulty-valve-springs/ Anecdotes are great - but data and hard money are real. If you dont experience the engine defect (upgrade KSDS), Theft, HECU and few a few other issues, insurance may become an issue. We've had a number of threads here where peeps have had issues having engines replaced. But sure, if you don't have these issues they generally are a very good car. I just don't think the slim savings justify the potential hassles - or disaster - any longer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: Originally Posted By MilHouse-556: I'll go with 10k+ mile oil changes and generally more of a lazy/cheap owner base. Possibly contributory in some cases, but as Bloviator notes, it's been an acknowledge defect with subsequent consent decrees and settlements. From 2020 NHSTA filing - https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_1750_jpeg-3208568.JPG All companies have issues, but result of this magnitude, and never of such a major component for so long - and no other automotive mfg I'm aware of has had a whistle blower awarded $24M. The U.S. government's road safety agency has paid more than $24 million to a whistleblower who reported that Hyundai and Kia moved too slowly to recall over 1 million vehicles with engines that could freeze up or catch fire. The agency didn't identify the whistleblower in a statement Tuesday announcing the payment. The statement said the automakers "inaccurately reported crucial information to NHTSA about serious defects in the engines. https://www.thedrive.com/news/600k-mile-kia-sorento-driver-milks-10-year-warranty-for-9-engines https://www.thedrive.com/news/hyundai-and-kia-earmark-a-further-2-billion-to-fix-known-engine-issues https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/little-known-loophole-kia-hyundai-limited-lifetime-warranty/63-44ad5236-6b2b-41e1-86da-1cb0cbe6c8f0 https://jalopnik.com/hyundai-finally-replaced-my-engine-millions-of-other-o-1851056899 Now concern about some of Korea Motors previously unaffected engines https://www.carscoops.com/2024/02/2024-kia-telluride-engines-could-go-bang-because-of-faulty-valve-springs/ Anecdotes are great - but data and hard money are real. If you dont experience the engine defect (upgrade KSDS), Theft, HECU and few a few other issues, insurance may become an issue. We've had a number of threads here where peeps have had issues having engines replaced. But sure, if you don't have these issues they generally are a very good car. I just don't think the slim savings justify the potential hassles - or disaster - any longer. Look behind the dealership maintenance facility and see how high the pile of engine and transmission core boxes any time you pass any brand's dealership. Based on years of such observations, I would never own a Hyundai/Kia or an Audi. 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:55:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackthom8: This is fucking depressing, you'd think the future would mean better, more reliable cars. But instead it's gotten worse, no one will ever make another car that's as reliable as a early 2000s Toyota. Fuck CARB. Fuck CAFE. Fuck IIHS. Oh, and fuck automaker MBA’s, cost accountants and actuaries. That’s a start. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:02:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MilHouse-556: I'll go with 10k+ mile oil changes and generally more of a lazy/cheap owner base. lol |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:03:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Palm: There are several great YouTube sites hosted by engine rebuilders. It is quite interesting to see them tear down an engine to diagnose the failure cause. Dave’s Auto Center comes to mind. Flying Wrenches is another channel that deals with only Fords trucks. These sites are professionally written, filmed, and produced. It is no longer amateur hour on YouTube. The auto manufacturers should make watching them mandatory for their engineers. "I Do Cars" is a personal favorite. Dude is like a useful Adam Sandler Entertaining and educational, it makes for a pretty fun watch, or at the very least an interesting bit of background noise during the day...
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:04:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: I use a simple method. Look behind the dealership maintenance facility and see how high the pile of engine and transmission core boxes any time you pass any brand's dealership. Based on years of such observations, I would never own a Hyundai/Kia or an Audi. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: Originally Posted By Alacrity: Originally Posted By MilHouse-556: I'll go with 10k+ mile oil changes and generally more of a lazy/cheap owner base. Possibly contributory in some cases, but as Bloviator notes, it's been an acknowledge defect with subsequent consent decrees and settlements. From 2020 NHSTA filing - https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_1750_jpeg-3208568.JPG All companies have issues, but result of this magnitude, and never of such a major component for so long - and no other automotive mfg I'm aware of has had a whistle blower awarded $24M. The U.S. government's road safety agency has paid more than $24 million to a whistleblower who reported that Hyundai and Kia moved too slowly to recall over 1 million vehicles with engines that could freeze up or catch fire. The agency didn't identify the whistleblower in a statement Tuesday announcing the payment. The statement said the automakers "inaccurately reported crucial information to NHTSA about serious defects in the engines. https://www.thedrive.com/news/600k-mile-kia-sorento-driver-milks-10-year-warranty-for-9-engines https://www.thedrive.com/news/hyundai-and-kia-earmark-a-further-2-billion-to-fix-known-engine-issues https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/little-known-loophole-kia-hyundai-limited-lifetime-warranty/63-44ad5236-6b2b-41e1-86da-1cb0cbe6c8f0 https://jalopnik.com/hyundai-finally-replaced-my-engine-millions-of-other-o-1851056899 Now concern about some of Korea Motors previously unaffected engines https://www.carscoops.com/2024/02/2024-kia-telluride-engines-could-go-bang-because-of-faulty-valve-springs/ Anecdotes are great - but data and hard money are real. If you dont experience the engine defect (upgrade KSDS), Theft, HECU and few a few other issues, insurance may become an issue. We've had a number of threads here where peeps have had issues having engines replaced. But sure, if you don't have these issues they generally are a very good car. I just don't think the slim savings justify the potential hassles - or disaster - any longer. Look behind the dealership maintenance facility and see how high the pile of engine and transmission core boxes any time you pass any brand's dealership. Based on years of such observations, I would never own a Hyundai/Kia or an Audi.  Attached File Attached FileWould love to be more confident in Korea Motors. They make some very cool stuff (N esp), many an excellent value. Even with no manual it's fantastic - KM does very good drivetrain. That dual clutch is very good. But I'm not. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:07:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: drfroglegs]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MilHouse-556: I'll go with 10k+ mile oil changes and generally more of a lazy/cheap owner base. Not true. I replaced the oil in my 2011 kia optima every 5k miles. Mobil 1 synthetic and Mobil 1 filter, all I've ever used. Kia has replaced my engine twice due to knock sensor issue. First one at 96k miles, second one at 242k miles. They said it is warrantied for life for the knock sensor error code due to the class action lawsuit. I will say, other than the engine issue, it's been a damn beast. I bet I've spent less than $2k in maintenance on this car in the 13 years I've owned it! My grandkids will be driving this damn car.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:10:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: I use a simple method. Look behind the dealership maintenance facility and see how high the pile of engine and transmission core boxes any time you pass any brand's dealership. Based on years of such observations, I would never own a Hyundai/Kia or an Audi. Audi f'd up with their CVT. Our '12 A4 (normal trans) has been fine except for injectors, which went out at 30k. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:37:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drfroglegs: Not true. I replaced the oil in my 2011 kia optima every 5k miles. Mobil 1 synthetic and Mobil 1 filter, all I've ever used. Kia has replaced my engine twice due to knock sensor issue. First one at 96k miles, second one at 242k miles. They said it is warrantied for life for the knock sensor error code due to the class action lawsuit. I will say, other than the engine issue, it's been a damn beast. I bet I've spent less than $2k in maintenance on this car in the 13 years I've owned it! My grandkids will be driving this damn car. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/322543/20240304_165847_jpg-3208605.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drfroglegs: Originally Posted By MilHouse-556: I'll go with 10k+ mile oil changes and generally more of a lazy/cheap owner base. Not true. I replaced the oil in my 2011 kia optima every 5k miles. Mobil 1 synthetic and Mobil 1 filter, all I've ever used. Kia has replaced my engine twice due to knock sensor issue. First one at 96k miles, second one at 242k miles. They said it is warrantied for life for the knock sensor error code due to the class action lawsuit. I will say, other than the engine issue, it's been a damn beast. I bet I've spent less than $2k in maintenance on this car in the 13 years I've owned it! My grandkids will be driving this damn car. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/322543/20240304_165847_jpg-3208605.JPG At 240k mi with 5k oil changes you're over $2500 in oil changes alone, assuming a $38 bottle of Mobile 1 and a $15 Mobile 1 filter. And despite your frequent oil changes, you've had your engine replaced twice.... doesn't seem like much to brag about |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:53:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mikeyb76: Or Ford. I had a friend who had the Fiesta and s-i-l who had the Focus, both with the trans issue. I had an Expedition with the aluminum bubbling paint. Ford's handling of those issues (or lack thereof) made me not want to buy any Ford ever again. Audi f'd up with their CVT. Our '12 A4 (normal trans) has been fine except for injectors, which went out at 30k. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mikeyb76: Originally Posted By Kanati: I use a simple method. Look behind the dealership maintenance facility and see how high the pile of engine and transmission core boxes any time you pass any brand's dealership. Based on years of such observations, I would never own a Hyundai/Kia or an Audi. Audi f'd up with their CVT. Our '12 A4 (normal trans) has been fine except for injectors, which went out at 30k. EVERYONE fucked up with CVTs. Like all mfgs struggled with heat management and other issues compounded by new emissions in the late 90s- early '00 that led to oil gelling. Both were exacerbated by poorly engineered systems paired with badly considered maintenance intervals compounded by negligent owner practices. Toyota K313 was prone to overheat conditions, we all know about JATCO, even Honda has the recent disintegrating HRV belt recall. There's many others that bear cautions, but newest stuff is generally better, if attended to. Mfg have engineered better systems - JATCOs Xtronic improved much, but Nissan also avoided marginal applications like Pathfinder and intervals are more realistic, tho I'm with midcap - it's a 30k job. Toyota has revamped their programming. Audis. . .well VAG learned. Honda . . . Still, I'm not buying one |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:56:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ManMan: At 240k mi with 5k oil changes you're over $2500 in oil changes alone, assuming a $38 bottle of Mobile 1 and a $15 Mobile 1 filter. And despite your frequent oil changes, you've had your engine replaced twice.... doesn't seem like much to brag about Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ManMan: Originally Posted By drfroglegs: Originally Posted By MilHouse-556: I'll go with 10k+ mile oil changes and generally more of a lazy/cheap owner base. Not true. I replaced the oil in my 2011 kia optima every 5k miles. Mobil 1 synthetic and Mobil 1 filter, all I've ever used. Kia has replaced my engine twice due to knock sensor issue. First one at 96k miles, second one at 242k miles. They said it is warrantied for life for the knock sensor error code due to the class action lawsuit. I will say, other than the engine issue, it's been a damn beast. I bet I've spent less than $2k in maintenance on this car in the 13 years I've owned it! My grandkids will be driving this damn car. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/322543/20240304_165847_jpg-3208605.JPG At 240k mi with 5k oil changes you're over $2500 in oil changes alone, assuming a $38 bottle of Mobile 1 and a $15 Mobile 1 filter. And despite your frequent oil changes, you've had your engine replaced twice.... doesn't seem like much to brag about Whenever I talk to KM owners, who undoubtably love their cars, and the caveat "it's been an incredible car, well . . except for motors " comes up, really wonder what's going on. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:02:25 AM EDT
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My 2017 Sonata 2.0T has run like a top, although I really don't drive it a heck of a lot. I got in Dec 2019, and since then I've only put about 19,000 miles on it.
While the drivetrain has been fine, it's the paint job that is failing on me. The roof clearcoat is failing, turning frosty and degrading fast. I've never had a car do this before, and Hyundai told me to take a hike when I inquired about any kind of warranty. Since I don't drive the car much, my intention had been for it to last me a solid 10+ years, and I think it still will, but I'll have to live with a continually degrading paint job. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:06:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RinsableTick: My 2017 Sonata 2.0T has run like a top, although I really don't drive it a heck of a lot. I got in Dec 2019, and since then I've only put about 19,000 miles on it. While the drivetrain has been fine, it's the paint job that is failing on me. The roof clearcoat is failing, turning frosty and degrading fast. I've never had a car do this before, and Hyundai told me to take a hike when I inquired about any kind of warranty. Since I don't drive the car much, my intention had been for it to last me a solid 10+ years, and I think it still will, but I'll have to live with a continually degrading paint job. Is it white? If so you may have just missed the warranty extension in '23 Sucks man, but a number of mfg have had paint issues, mostly white. I'm told because shaking out new practices/formulas due to new environmental regs. No idea why mostly white - maybe someone knows Found link - not sure it would get you anywhere as they are hard on sunset dates but if you refer to this info might be worth some rattling https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10228639-0001.pdf  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:13:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: Whenever I talk to KM owners, who undoubtably love their cars, and the caveat "it's been an incredible car, well . . except for motors " comes up, really wonder what's going on. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: Originally Posted By ManMan: Originally Posted By drfroglegs: Originally Posted By MilHouse-556: I'll go with 10k+ mile oil changes and generally more of a lazy/cheap owner base. Not true. I replaced the oil in my 2011 kia optima every 5k miles. Mobil 1 synthetic and Mobil 1 filter, all I've ever used. Kia has replaced my engine twice due to knock sensor issue. First one at 96k miles, second one at 242k miles. They said it is warrantied for life for the knock sensor error code due to the class action lawsuit. I will say, other than the engine issue, it's been a damn beast. I bet I've spent less than $2k in maintenance on this car in the 13 years I've owned it! My grandkids will be driving this damn car. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/322543/20240304_165847_jpg-3208605.JPG At 240k mi with 5k oil changes you're over $2500 in oil changes alone, assuming a $38 bottle of Mobile 1 and a $15 Mobile 1 filter. And despite your frequent oil changes, you've had your engine replaced twice.... doesn't seem like much to brag about Whenever I talk to KM owners, who undoubtably love their cars, and the caveat "it's been an incredible car, well . . except for motors " comes up, really wonder what's going on. Or something like "I've driven mine 30,000 miles with no issues!" Which is the same as saying "I've got 30 rounds through my AR with no issues!" It means nothing. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:17:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Thomasc1169]
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My wife's 2013 Sorento's motor locked up with no warning lights or warnings at all. I had it towed to the local mechanic who told me it would be $12K for a new engine. I called Kia, they went and picked it up, installed a new long block, and had it back to me in 5 days. No charge.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:19:50 AM EDT
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I'm wondering if there is a new "environmental" solvent partially responsible for this.
it seems the problem is spreading through the industry. VAG had to recall about 75,000 Q5 and Atlas engines due to metal shavings from machining damaging rod bearings. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:22:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Foxtrot08]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MilHouse-556: I'll go with 10k+ mile oil changes and generally more of a lazy/cheap owner base. Please expound for the class why 10k oil changes are the problem? Assuming, in spec, decent oil. Edit: I already see several people disproving this already. |
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