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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:09:48 PM EDT
 US Special Forces in Afghanistan |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:44:01 PM EDT
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That's a great video, something inside I have never seen before. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:45:26 PM EDT
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Tag for later.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:46:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 18B30]
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On behalf of 2/19, 5SFG(A) and our fantastic SOT-A……you’re welcome!
18Z50 |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:53:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 18B30: On behalf of 2/19, 5SFG(A) and our fantastic SOT-A……you’re welcome! 18Z50 
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:56:43 PM EDT
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How does the National Guard have SF teams?
Were they SF on active duty and mustered out of active service? |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:02:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11boomboom]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mike_314: How does the National Guard have SF teams? Were they SF on active duty and mustered out of active service? 19th and 20th They go through the same pipeline as regular SF dudes, from my understanding, but they're National Guard. SF National Guard |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:08:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mike_314: How does the National Guard have SF teams? Were they SF on active duty and mustered out of active service? You can be NG and SF, or you can be AD, leave and go NG SF. Either way, as mentioned before they go through the same pipeline, have the same missions and capabilities, and the same optempo. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:15:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:16:48 PM EDT
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 Steve Earle - Copperhead Road (Official Music Video) |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:16:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's right. It wasn't much different 7 years later when I went to A-stan. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:19:38 PM EDT
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SPC Joseph Jeffries was a Psyoper assigned to CJSOTF in AFG. Later this month marks the 20th anniversary of his death. Over the years I heard a couple of variations in the story of how he died, and both involved him being attached to an ODA team.
Seeing this video reminded me of him. I miss you brother. See you again one day. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:28:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 18B30: On behalf of 2/19, 5SFG(A) and our fantastic SOT-A……you’re welcome! 18Z50 We were there at the same time. Guarding a FARP at Firebase Tycz Bno 2/505 |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:35:27 PM EDT
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Great video op. Thanks for sharing
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:37:02 PM EDT
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I was in country in 02-03. We were actually fighting a war then.
When I went back in 07 it was all touchy feely and fast food. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:42:31 AM EDT
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That’s some ratted out sewer pipe AKs or really bad ammo to keyhole like that.
Narrator sounded like a young Ewan McGregor at times. 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:21:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: 19th and 20th They go through the same pipeline as regular SF dudes, from my understanding, but they're National Guard. SF National Guard the same way Air National Guard units have Combat Controllers. they go places and do things. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:33:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: You can be NG and SF, or you can be AD, leave and go NG SF. Either way, as mentioned before they go through the same pipeline, have the same missions and capabilities, and the same optempo. 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:40:32 AM EDT
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Used to have the 11th and 12th in the USAR as well. Got shut down in the early 90’s.
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:05:43 AM EDT
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How did a 17 year old wind up embedded with them?
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:50:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vote4Cthulhu: How did a 17 year old wind up embedded with them? He joined the NG in that slot. I saw this doc when it came out and I’ve always wondered how that went when he finally went to SFAS and the Q Course having already done at least one combat deployment with an ODA. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:57:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joker581: He joined the NG in that slot. I saw this doc when it came out and I’ve always wondered how that went when he finally went to SFAS and the Q Course having already done at least one combat deployment with an ODA. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joker581: Originally Posted By Vote4Cthulhu: How did a 17 year old wind up embedded with them? He joined the NG in that slot. I saw this doc when it came out and I’ve always wondered how that went when he finally went to SFAS and the Q Course having already done at least one combat deployment with an ODA. Incredible. Was that a combat camera billet? Wonder what that guy's doing now. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:30:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vote4Cthulhu: Incredible. Was that a combat camera billet? Wonder what that guy's doing now. IIRC, it was just an SF billet. In the NG, you join into a specific job. Not an MOS or a job field but an actual open line number on the roster. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:04:40 PM EDT
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I didn't think you could come in fres noff the street to SF back then?
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:12:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoMoAMMO: I didn't think you could come in fres noff the street to SF back then? Maybe it was different in the NG, but I'd be surprised if they were taking 17 year olds and sending them downrange sans basic and AIT, let alone without a long tab as part of a team. AD 18x contracts for recruits definitely would have required all of those things. Crazier things have happened though, and clearly there was some unique circumstance at play here. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:13:15 PM EDT
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Excellent vid. Thanks OP
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:16:37 PM EDT
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Good video, I trained with some of the 5th group guys back in the day, a million years ago.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:41:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vote4Cthulhu: Maybe it was different in the NG, but I'd be surprised if they were taking 17 year olds and sending them downrange sans basic and AIT, let alone without a long tab as part of a team. AD 18x contracts for recruits definitely would have required all of those things. Crazier things have happened though, and clearly there was some unique circumstance at play here. It was probably something like a split option contract where he did his basic infantry stuff and went back to his unit to wait for the rest. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:04:29 PM EDT
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At the 42:40 Min mark
Dude talking about "If we stay long enough, they'll see the good things were doing and they will make the change" Needs to be saved the next time we get into a country and think we can change them with our good example... So we can remember that and know it does not work. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 8:42:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harv24: At the 42:40 Min mark Dude talking about "If we stay long enough, they'll see the good things were doing and they will make the change" Needs to be saved the next time we get into a country and think we can change them with our good example... So we can remember that and know it does not work. Yeah I caught that too. All the way through the war there were still massive swaths of the military who thought that if we gave stuff to people they would like us. Wam, bam, problem solved. It's a bit more complicated. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:00:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryGlad I wasn’t the only one to notice the keyholing. Worn out rifles or a messed up crown on the muzzle….not the shooter’s fault. Note the lack of ear protection as well, much less eyewear. Eeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh….. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:14:48 AM EDT
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I'm reading Caravans, by James Michener, which is about Afghanistan. He makes it pretty clear it will never change.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:10:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vote4Cthulhu: Yeah I caught that too. All the way through the war there were still massive swaths of the military who thought that if we gave stuff to people they would like us. Wam, bam, problem solved. It's a bit more complicated. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vote4Cthulhu: Originally Posted By Harv24: At the 42:40 Min mark Dude talking about "If we stay long enough, they'll see the good things were doing and they will make the change" Needs to be saved the next time we get into a country and think we can change them with our good example... So we can remember that and know it does not work. Yeah I caught that too. All the way through the war there were still massive swaths of the military who thought that if we gave stuff to people they would like us. Wam, bam, problem solved. It's a bit more complicated. Our enemies foreign & domestic may fear our warriors but they know they can wear down our vote-whore leaders and feminized polity. In country our generosity & compassion makes us look weak and acquiescing. In the jihadi world only the conquered pay tribute. A century of occupation & culling might have been enough. The modern world is too impatient and our media is the greatest weapon against the west. That doesn’t diminish our warriors dedication, focus, and capabilities so admirable and should be long honored & remembered. But it certainly is complicated. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:16:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mike_314: How does the National Guard have SF teams? Were they SF on active duty and mustered out of active service? In addition to the 19th and 20th (which have already been covered), the Army Reserve also used to have the 11th and 12th SF Groups. When the Army Reserve got stripped of 98% of its Combat Arms units (the only remaining Reserve combat unit is the 100th/442nd), in the early 90's, the 11th and 12th got deactivated and, AIUI, most of their personnel xferred into the Guard units. |
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