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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:46:15 AM EDT
Said it's engineered to do that and is perfectly normal. A big NOPE for me.
 Balcony shakes at Fox Theatre during concert performance  VIDEO: Fox Theatre balcony seen bouncing at Gunna concert; is that normal? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:47:52 AM EDT
[#1]
yikes, was just there the other week to see Tom Segura. Nobody was dancing around though.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:52:14 AM EDT
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Detroit's Fox Theater is an awesome venue. The architecture is this amazing 1920's Oriental style. Really really cool inside.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:54:24 AM EDT
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When it falls, will hear that wasn't supposed to happen...
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USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:55:31 AM EDT
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Awww Hell Nooo!!!
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:56:09 AM EDT
[#5]
R.F.K. Stadium during Dallas Week...
been there, done that! |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:56:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By realwar: Said it's engineered to do that and is perfectly normal. A big NOPE for me. If it doesn’t bend, it breaks. |
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AS, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:57:13 AM EDT
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Always funny seeing older white female news reporters talking about rappers and the people attending their concerts as if they're anything other than a bunch of degenerates
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:59:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kaizer27: yikes, was just there the other week to see Tom Segura. Nobody was dancing around though. He was at the Fox in Atlanta, the video is from the Fox in Detroit. I thought it was Atlanta too for a minute. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:00:57 AM EDT
[#9]
Fatties doing fattie stuff?
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:02:47 AM EDT
[#10]
Nope.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:03:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Lieh-tzu]
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I have never needed to do an engineering inspection of a balcony for audience movement. But I bet that show made enough money on concessions alone to cover the cost.
 Fun fact: when Camp Randall Stadium was renovated several years ago, they had to do engineering studies to ensure proper safety margin for many thousands of fans jumping around. More engineering details than you wanted to know. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:09:02 AM EDT
[#12]
 Capacity is a thing for a reason........... |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:12:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wmagrush]
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Hope they learned better engineering from this previous event. Have been over this a few times from interior search and rescue training.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse. And how close was this to failure? https://www.sfgate.com/local-donotuse/article/golden-gate-bridge-walk-1987-anniversary-disaster-13896571.php |
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USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:13:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 80085]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I have never needed to do an engineering inspection of a balcony for audience movement. But I bet that show made enough money on concessions alone to cover the cost. Fun fact: when Camp Randall Stadium was renovated several years ago, they had to do engineering studies to ensure proper safety margin for many thousands of fans. More engineering details than you wanted to know. “Journal of sound and vibration” Nice.  |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:16:31 AM EDT
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse
 Fast-Tracked Failure: The Hyatt Regency Walkway Collapse |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:17:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: runcible]
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During Black 47 shows at the old Paddy Reilly's in Manhattan, the place would be so packed you could barely move.
When the crowd started to pogo, you could feel the floor rolling like the ocean, which I guarantee it was NOT meant to do. 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:17:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JimEb: If it doesn’t bend, it breaks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JimEb: Originally Posted By realwar: Said it's engineered to do that and is perfectly normal. A big NOPE for me. If it doesn’t bend, it breaks. Yep, as someone who worked on alot of bridges you really get to feel how much they move up and down when your standing on one. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:19:09 AM EDT
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Y’all should go to a football game in Columbia. When those cock lovers start that freakin song and the towels are spinning, there is a “wave” moving through the stadium. It is disconcerting to say the least.
Plus, they add sugar to their collard greens there; it’s an abomination. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:19:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: He was at the Fox in Atlanta, the video is from the Fox in Detroit. I thought it was Atlanta too for a minute. That would be The Fabulous Fox Theater |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:20:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Caddys83]
[#20]
You basement boomers need to get out more. It's normal folks. They are made to flex
 TV cameraman stand shaking at Ibrox as Glasgow Rangers fans go crazy after beating RB Leipzig  German fans had the stadium bouncing during their relegation play off |
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USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:21:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By realwar: Said it's engineered to do that and is perfectly normal. A big NOPE for me. Magic 8-ball says... "seems unlikely." Pretty sure "surviving it" isn't "designed for it". I'm going to guess it was originally designed for X people of Y weight SITTING... I'm guessing that it now has to deal with X+20% people of weight 2Y bouncing up and down. Probably the ONLY reason it hasn't fallen down yet is the Engineer used an overly conservative factor of safety. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:24:57 AM EDT
[#22]
Need to get some midcap women on there and put it to the real test.
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USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:25:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: Capacity is a thing for a reason...Dynamic load calculations are a thing too... and if the Fox Theatre was opened in 1928, that calculation would likely have been very different. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:26:12 AM EDT
[#24]
Yeah, I wouldn't want to on under that or on it.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:28:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmacs69: Dynamic load calculations are a thing too... and if the Fox Theatre was opened in 1928, that calculation would likely have been very different. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmacs69: Originally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: Capacity is a thing for a reason...Dynamic load calculations are a thing too... and if the Fox Theatre was opened in 1928, that calculation would likely have been very different. No doubt it was different when people weighed about half what they weigh now. They didn't hop up and down like they do now either. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:29:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: No doubt it was different when people weighed about half what they weigh now. They didn't hop up and down like they do now either. 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:31:58 AM EDT
[#27]
 1940 Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse (A.K.A. Galloping Gertie) |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:33:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Detroit's Fox Theater is an awesome venue. The architecture is this amazing 1920's Oriental style. Really really cool inside. Yeah this is the Detroit Fox, not the Atlanta Fox but I believe they were built around the same time give or take. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:34:09 AM EDT
[#29]
It'd be a problem if it didn't flex under the load.
But yeah I still wouldn't stand under it
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:34:41 AM EDT
[#30]
That is why military command "route step" is a thing. Troops marching in step can break a bridge.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:35:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:39:20 AM EDT
[#32]
Frequency is a thing. There is no way the designers in the 20s anticipated this. Not a chance in hell I’d be in that place for a number of reasons.
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USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:42:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 50-140: https://i.postimg.cc/L8QkSDgf/temp-Image6z-LBtq.avif" target="_blank">https://i.postimg.cc/L8QkSDgf/temp-Image6z-LBtq.avif Wasn't Hillsborough a crush not a stand collapse? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:48:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: callgood]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmacs69: Dynamic load calculations are a thing too... and if the Fox Theatre was opened in 1928, that calculation would likely have been very different. I read once the C-47 was designed before computers so they overengineered it. But I wouldn't bet on the Fox Theatre if I was in the balcony. People have gained 40 or 50 pounds over the years.
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USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:49:32 AM EDT
[#35]
No from me dawg.
Anything in downtown Detroit should be assumed to have at least 60 years of neglect if you want to be on the safe side. Probably the saddest example of "White flight" that I know of. Most of the architecture and the city's structure itself are really beautiful. Now a lot of it is just macabre. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:50:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmacs69: Dynamic load calculations are a thing too... and if the Fox Theatre was opened in 1928, that calculation would likely have been very different. The mass of the average concertgoer certainly has changed. Elastic deformation vs plastic. Everything deforms.  Attached File |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:50:26 AM EDT
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Went to a couple of parties at this apartment in my younger days. I remember feeling the floor give when there was people packed in the apartment. I noped the hell out of there. This happened 7 years later.
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/tarrant-county/apartment-floor-collapses-during-student-party-in-denton/287-491246783 |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:51:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Osprey61]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmacs69: Dynamic load calculations are a thing too... and if the Fox Theatre was opened in 1928, that calculation would likely have been very different. Yep, just looked it up. The average American woman has gone from 140 to 166 pounds just since 1960. Men have gone from 168 to 195. I'd be really curious to know if the capacity limit for that balcony has been updated to reflect the change since 1928. It may safely hold that much weight static, but those oscillations... I had to cross the rebuilt version of Gertie twice a day for six years. Never did get comfortable with going across in a gale. Also always believed the dog left in the car didn't make it. A crazy doctor went out and rescued it. Extended version with rescue...collapse starts at 3:19.  Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse "Gallopin' Gertie" |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:56:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HeckThomas]
[#39]
It would be pretty disappointing to die at a rap concert due to structural failure rather than the much celebrated gang style shooting.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:56:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: No doubt it was different when people weighed about half what they weigh now. They didn't hop up and down like they do now either. Plus the engineers used slide rules. Screw that. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:13:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Detroit's Fox Theater is an awesome venue. The architecture is this amazing 1920's Oriental style. Really really cool inside. I've been to a dozen or more shows there. Ron White was one of those shows and the acoustics up on that balcony were so bad that you couldn't understand a damn thing he said. I just drank beer instead. The detail and architecture is indeed amazing. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:16:55 PM EDT
[#42]
Nope. I recall being at a local bar/pub that was in an old house on campus about 15 yrs ago. Bar on main floor and bar on top floor. During cardinals or chiefs games the floor would move. Made me very very uncomfortable.
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USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:21:28 PM EDT
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Created with 150lb person for load calcs vs 2024 reality of 250lb people?
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:22:01 PM EDT
[#44]
Don’t break my beloved Fox theater!
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:22:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wmagrush: Hope they learned better engineering from this previous event. Have been over this a few times from interior search and rescue training. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse. And how close was this to failure? https://www.sfgate.com/local-donotuse/article/golden-gate-bridge-walk-1987-anniversary-disaster-13896571.php  Attached File 300,000 people crowd Golden Gate Bridge for 50th anniversary in 1987 |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:54:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rodical: When it falls, will hear that wasn't supposed to happen... Yeah, I don't see that as a design feature. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:02:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJ-IN-JAX: Capacity is a thing for a reason........... |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:03:59 PM EDT
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Cain's ballroom in Tulsa was always a fun dance party. People said there were springs under the floor, but I always heard it was just designed to have some bounce.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:27:01 PM EDT
[#49]
This isn’t new. Always has as long as I’ve gone to the Fox.
Stand on an overpass and feel it bounce. If you’re SE MI, stand on the upper levels of Somerset mall. Just the foot traffic will bounce the floor. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:34:20 PM EDT
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I saw The Rugrats Live there back in the ‘90s. Probably a bit safer since the audience was 1/3-2/3 kids
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