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Posted: 5/2/2024 5:43:54 PM EDT
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Trey Knight says they want to allocate product to their best dealers as it becomes available and try to deal with the gouging situation (https://youtu.be/n8Ml1kd5IeQ?t=384). Arms Unlimited, who is listed as a KAC dealer on KAC's site, puts up an IWS SR15 lower marked as "SALE" for $1999. When is this shit going to end @Jack_L ? Bad enough we see KAC products scalped on Gunbroker, but now KAC listed dealers are pulling this shit too.
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I think my favorite was Shooters Surplus. When Sandcutters came in stock, the price was increased to something like $650. As soon as they sold out, the price was changed back to MSRP.
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That's ironic, Arms Unlimited just did me a solid in another matter.
But is it price gouging when I want stuff, market forces when I don't? ![]() |
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What needs to happen is to have KAC dealers just put half of their stuff directly on GB and mandate that dealers actually have backorder lists with the other half for an undisclosed period of time. Have the GB stuff starting bid at MSRP and let people bid it up from there if they can't wait. The mania would be over in a couple of months. The second you let people on the secondary market arbitrage the delta between supply and demand you end up with the cycle you have been seeing for years now. Let the dealers make some bank in a straightforward way, rather than resellers. Food for thought.
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The low down..
Bossfirearms put everything on gunbroker and runs the price up. They have knightsticks right now. Example of boss... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1046699349 Shootingsurplus gouges stuff on gunbroker but also on their website with high prices. Recent example of the Creedmoor uppers for $5100 example on gunbroker.... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1047753408 Kellyenterprises sells their stuff to zerowhiskeytacticalarms.com. See their website title saying they send stuff to them. Who in turn gouges on their site and on gunbroker. Recent example... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1040105591 Presampledepot.com sells to buddies in their discord, also scalp on gunbroker. Also do raffles to make you buy other stuff you don't want to get a chance to buy something else you do want but likely won't win. Example scalp. Now... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1044274057 Armsunlimited scalp in demand stuff. See their iws lower as a recent example. Nsdefense.. Asks you to sell them rare kac to resell on their site. Try selling to them at their prices and they laugh at you. Good dealers are rooftop, freedomtrading, midway, and brownells. |
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The only way to really solve the pricing issue is to increase production. They can price control their dealers till the cows come home but people will still just flip it.
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BikerNut:
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: The only way to really solve the pricing issue is to increase production. They can price control their dealers till the cows come home but people will still just flip it. View Quote I disagree, the best way is to stop buying overpriced gear. KAC needs their customers much more than they need KAC. |
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Originally Posted By OHBuckeyes: I disagree, the best way is to stop buying overpriced gear. KAC needs their customers much more than they need KAC. View Quote Incorrect. You don’t buy KAC from KAC. KAC doesn’t see your dollars, it sees dealer or distributor dollars. You aren’t KAC’s customer. Your money goes to the dealer, KAC was already paid. KAC builds a product for $500, KAC sells to Distributors/Dealers for $615 with a MSRP of $815. Distributors/Dealers sell to the customer for $1500 and laugh their way to capitalism. |
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Originally Posted By Kzybn: The low down.. Bossfirearms put everything on gunbroker and runs the price up. They have knightsticks right now. Example of boss... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1046699349 Shootingsurplus gouges stuff on gunbroker but also on their website with high prices. Recent example of the Creedmoor uppers for $5100 example on gunbroker.... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1047753408 Kellyenterprises sells their stuff to zerowhiskeytacticalarms.com. See their website title saying they send stuff to them. Who in turn gouges on their site and on gunbroker. Recent example... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1040105591 Presampledepot.com sells to buddies in their discord, also scalp on gunbroker. Also do raffles to make you buy other stuff you don't want to get a chance to buy something else you do want but likely won't win. Actually went to kac headquarters and scalped an upper for 3x msrp. Example scalp. Now... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1044274057 Armsunlimited scalp in demand stuff. See their iws lower as a recent example. Good dealers are rooftop, freedomtrading, midway, and brownells. View Quote That’s some really dirty business. Wonder if KAC is aware of their dealers doing this stuff or if they care. Thanks for sharing this info. |
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Originally Posted By OHBuckeyes: I disagree, the best way is to stop buying overpriced gear. KAC needs their customers much more than they need KAC. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By OHBuckeyes: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: The only way to really solve the pricing issue is to increase production. They can price control their dealers till the cows come home but people will still just flip it. I disagree, the best way is to stop buying overpriced gear. KAC needs their customers much more than they need KAC. Well good luck with that when there’s a clear demand. |
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This is lost on many in this thread:
Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price |
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More bad dealers... Again these are kac direct dealers from their list
Delray shoot center... https://shop.shootingcenters.com/knights-armament-co-sr-15-e3-mod-2-m-lok-16-5-56-nato/ 2af-puts stuff up for crazy prices and remove listing ie evidence Riflegear raises prices when in stock and then lowers once they sell out Kelly enterprise gunbrokering some guns... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1047637378 Kelly also sells to otb arms llc... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1047430660 Dtodd... Scalps hard to find things for 10% above msrp plus charges credit card fees and s/h. Also charged 1k for 300 rails. I have a sneaky suspicion small arm sales/operation parts supplies md_guns aka docaiden with things to flip and they share profits. Small arms/OP never have guns/suppressors/lowers etc. Also all the hard to find rails find their way to gunbroker somehow...... V1tactical gunbrokers stuff and raises prices on their site as well and then changes them back after sold out. Battlehawk armory scalp on site. Has 4500 sr15 rifles. Scalping suppressors for $2500 now.. Charlie's customs scalp on site. Use to have 2500 dollar lowers. |
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Originally Posted By Kzybn: More bad dealers... Again these are kac direct dealers from their list Delray shoot center... https://shop.shootingcenters.com/knights-armament-co-sr-15-e3-mod-2-m-lok-16-5-56-nato/ 2af-puts stuff up for crazy prices and remove listing ie evidence Riflegear raises prices when in stock and then lowers once they sell out Kelly enterprise gunbrokering some guns... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1047637378 Kelly also sells to otb arms llc... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1047430660 Dtodd... Scalps hard to find things for 10% above msrp plus charges credit card fees and s/h. Also charged 1k for 300 rails. I have a sneaky suspicion small arm sales/operation parts supplies md_guns aka docaiden with things to flip and they share profits. Small arms/OP never have guns/suppressors/lowers etc. Also all the hard to find rails find their way to gunbroker somehow...... V1tactical gunbrokers stuff and raises prices on their site as well and then changes them back after sold out. Battlehawk armory scalp on site. Has 4500 sr15 rifles. Scalping suppressors for $2500 now.. Charlie's customs scalp on site. Use to have 2500 dollar lowers. View Quote At first I thought you were on to something…then realized you are just retarded. |
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I will say this. Dealers are in business to make money, so when they see the product they sell at MSRP get sold on the secondary market for 2-3x shortly thereafter for how many years, what do people expect? This is the par for the course. Why should the dealers let someone else make the money? Just saying.`
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Originally Posted By Kzybn: Presampledepot.com sells to buddies in their discord, also scalp on gunbroker. Also do raffles to make you buy other stuff you don't want to get a chance to buy something else you do want but likely won't win. Actually went to kac headquarters and scalped an upper for 3x msrp. Example scalp. Now... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1044274057 Good dealers are rooftop, freedomtrading, midway, and brownells. View Quote What? 1.) The discord was free and opened to anyone (it doesn't exist anymore). Anyone could join, not just "buddies" and majority of the people in that group I never have met or talk to outside of that discord. They were people who liked KAC, and wanted to be apart of a community of people who also enjoyed those things. I would hold maybe 10% of items sometimes for the discord people and it was never the same people over and over again. I wanted to make things fair. Some people can't be on their emails, or they work night shifts. I understand that literally nothing I say will change your weird vendetta against PSD. 2.) No one is forcing you to buy anything with a raffle or any package. I give away a lot of stuff to this community for free, some unannounced and some as a sales incentive. 3.) What upper did we go to KAC and buy and sell? Because none of that happened ever. That upper was on consignment from a customer, it's clearly listed in the ad. We earn a commission for the sale of the item, and the customer gets his money. It's pretty straight forward and extremely common. |
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Ive bought a handful of KAC rifles and uppers pre-2019 at fantastic prices. And have bought a ton of KAC shit since 2020… all at retail with no special hook ups. I put in the time and waited. I sure as shit didn’t post on an Internet forum complaining how life ain’t fucking fair or some internet Reddit bots. Midway, Brownells, Cocaine Chuck, PSD, Rooftop, OP, BTO all had shit that I wanted. For fuck sake I even got a lower on Grab a Gun for 900 and some Knightsticks from, get this, Optics Fucking Planet.
These clowns bitching about KAC silencers going for $5k a pop last few years, where the fuck you been now? PSD had some KAC 556 cans in stock for about a week, maybe longer. I can only assume that if you haven’t been able to buy what you want from the dozen or so dealers that I’ve found success with you just haven’t wanted it bad enough or too fucking lazy to make it happen. That or you can’t buy the shit anyway so it’s easier to bitch about the even higher prices you’re seeing on gun broker. Go into GD and all you see is the muh “Free Market, It’s your property do as you wish” types, haha, just a bunch of fucking fakers And why the fuck is up with that Karen move of posting all those links to gun broker? You gonna bring around a petition for us to sign next? |
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Originally Posted By Rooftop: I dunno man, the Rooftop guy is kind of suspicious https://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/among-us-vr-imposter-next-to-body.png?fit=720%2C720&p=1 View Quote Yeah. He always messes up the order. I order a rail, and I get a rail AND soup!!! I have so much soup it’s not even funny ![]() |
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PSD is a stand up outfit. I’ve done business with them on several occasions and never got the feeling that they only sell to buddies.
Great products in limited supply almost always form an inflated grey market. KAC is the Rolex/AP of the firearms industry. |
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Originally Posted By AKR: I will say this. Dealers are in business to make money, so when they see the product they sell at MSRP get sold on the secondary market for 2-3x shortly thereafter for how many years, what do people expect? This is the par for the course. Why should the dealers let someone else make the money? Just saying.` View Quote This. Why would they sell it for less than the market demand is? |
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Originally Posted By Crash1433: This. Why would they sell it for less than the market demand is? View Quote Exactly. I guarantee the whiners, if they had a Knight’s rifle they purchased at wholesale price, wouldn’t sell their personal gun at msrp when they’re going for thousands more. Somehow I imagine that would be different in their minds though. |
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PSD is a great company and has been great to deal with. I don't believe what you are saying about them. I hope to buy more from them in the near future.
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KAC and Porsche have the same issue. Is it fair to restrict the dealers when the private buyers are just there to flip?
Can KAC increase volume without interfering with .mil contracts? I don't think so. They are looking at a forbidden money tree. They could take 100% of civ production straight to auction and let the free market decide but that would cut out their loyal dealer network who also act as a CS buffer. All said and done... It is still a good problem for KAC to have and they've been dealing with it for over 10 years so we're all used to it. |
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Originally Posted By Kzybn: The low down.. Bossfirearms put everything on gunbroker and runs the price up. They have knightsticks right now. Example of boss... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1046699349 Shootingsurplus gouges stuff on gunbroker but also on their website with high prices. Recent example of the Creedmoor uppers for $5100 example on gunbroker.... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1047753408 Kellyenterprises sells their stuff to zerowhiskeytacticalarms.com. See their website title saying they send stuff to them. Who in turn gouges on their site and on gunbroker. Recent example... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1040105591 Presampledepot.com sells to buddies in their discord, also scalp on gunbroker. Also do raffles to make you buy other stuff you don't want to get a chance to buy something else you do want but likely won't win. Example scalp. Now... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1044274057 Armsunlimited scalp in demand stuff. See their iws lower as a recent example. Nsdefense.. Asks you to sell them rare kac to resell on their site. Try selling to them at their prices and they laugh at you. Good dealers are rooftop, freedomtrading, midway, and brownells. View Quote "I want the item at MSRP so I can bend the next guy over for a 200-300% profit." |
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Originally Posted By OHBuckeyes: KAC needs their customers much more than they need KAC. View Quote If that were the case, this topic wouldn’t even exist. If civilian sales were any sort of priority, they would be meeting demand. It’s not like they make 10,000 SR15’s per year and some guy is hoarding them for Gun Broker. |
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Manufactures don't set pricing with dealers. Dealers are reacting to the market that end users have created.
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Presample Depot ---> great company.
Have dealt with them numerous times and they've been really cool about everything whether it was an order, a pre-order, and/or having shop work done. I have nothing but good things to say about them. More importantly (and specific to this thread), they have been really generous to the KAC fanatics community - they could easily price gouge the shit out of everything they get in (like others have done), but they don't. |
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Originally Posted By PresampleDepot: What? That upper was on consignment from a customer, it's clearly listed in the ad. We earn a commission for the sale of the item, and the customer gets his money. It's pretty straight forward and extremely common. View Quote ------------------------------ 1) the discord disbanded after the doxxing issue. It's reincarnated by past mods though and is more private now and still active. I guess it's only for friends and "dealers" you wholesale too. Majority of kac stuff being flipped on arfcom, gunbroker, or tacswap originates or ships from ft worth, tx area. Just ironic you are based there. Not sure if it's friends, you guys, or coincidence. The 10% for discord was a private link or we were told to call you before you going live with them on your site or email blasts. Most of the time they were spoken for. Also didn't you offload to custom night vision 11.5 uppers and sandcutters who then scalped them on their site? You did have the remaining 11.5 uppers from KAC per your emails. 2) I've bought into your raffles before such as the triple taps. Your flush full of suppressors because they are sitting everywhere now. I like your new iws raffle for people buying stuff you can't move. 3) sorry let me fix that. That was another dealer ns.defense who bought 14.5 Creedmoors on black Friday. I can't go back to find older items or I would due to gunbroker deleting history before a certain period of time. I just picked an example I could link. I have no vendetta against you guys. I've used you for cerakote and gun services several times. Just wish you had more stuff to sell to everyone. You seem to be one of the biggest dealers but with the least stock. I see the psd minions from post sample discord arrived in this thread to back you up . Need to slobber on you so they get their next fix of stuff to get or scalp. |
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Originally Posted By OHBuckeyes: I disagree, the best way is to stop buying overpriced gear. KAC needs their customers much more than they need KAC. View Quote Why do you think KAC needs the commercial market? On the gov side they can charge higher prices and ship more products. Literally everything they have done the last 10+ years indicate they don't give any thought to the consumer market, and likely just view is as a place to begrudgingly drop products so get some Instagram likes to influence military purchasers. KAC could have sold 10x-100x as many SR15s as they have over the past decade, and didn't. Because they don't like money? No, because they make more money overcharging governments elsewhere. |
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Maybe KAC likes seeing there stuff sold at high secondry prices to justify their high MSRP.
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Originally Posted By Kzybn: I see the psd minions from post sample discord arrived in this thread to back you up . Need to slobber on you so they get their next fix of stuff to get or scalp. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kzybn: Originally Posted By PresampleDepot: What? That upper was on consignment from a customer, it's clearly listed in the ad. We earn a commission for the sale of the item, and the customer gets his money. It's pretty straight forward and extremely common. I see the psd minions from post sample discord arrived in this thread to back you up . Need to slobber on you so they get their next fix of stuff to get or scalp. Dude - I don't even have discord. There are loads of people outside of that community that do business with KAC dealers like PSD. |
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Originally Posted By Kzybn: ------------------------------ 1) the discord disbanded after the doxxing issue. It's reincarnated by past mods though and is more private now and still active. I guess it's only for friends and "dealers" you wholesale too. Majority of kac stuff being flipped on arfcom, gunbroker, or tacswap originates or ships from ft worth, tx area. Just ironic you are based there. Not sure if it's friends, you guys, or coincidence. The 10% for discord was a private link or we were told to call you before you going live with them on your site or email blasts. Most of the time they were spoken for. Also didn't you offload to custom night vision 11.5 uppers and sandcutters who then scalped them on their site? You did have the remaining 11.5 uppers from KAC per your emails. 2) I've bought into your raffles before such as the triple taps. Your flush full of suppressors because they are sitting everywhere now. I like your new iws raffle for people buying stuff you can't move. 3) sorry let me fix that. That was another dealer ns.defense who bought 14.5 Creedmoors on black Friday. I can't go back to find older items or I would due to gunbroker deleting history before a certain period of time. I just picked an example I could link. I have no vendetta against you guys. I've used you for cerakote and gun services several times. Just wish you had more stuff to sell to everyone. You seem to be one of the biggest dealers but with the least stock. I see the psd minions from post sample discord arrived in this thread to back you up . Need to slobber on you so they get their next fix of stuff to get or scalp. View Quote I really can't control what others are doing with that discord. I nuked the one we ran so that I could be completely done with it. Also, majority of my sales are to out of state people like 90% because people in Texas don't want to pay 8.5% sales tax. I have held items for AR15.com members too like some T-2 battery caps and CRS cans in early January. What's been interesting to me is some of the people complaining that I would sell them something with a private link, were some of the same people emailing me and capitalizing on that. Also - I did sell some uppers to Custom Night Vision, but they did not have sandcutters in them. I did not know what their plan was with those uppers. Those were things they got from KAC. I have received like 10 sandcutters in 4 years. Guess what, your favorite dealers have wholesaled stuff to other companies too. If you have a business license/tax exempt status, EIN and FFL and you want to buy some KAC stuff, you can email me. It's not a secret, it's not a some backdoor thing. But up until recently we've had nothing to offer other dealers. There is no secret a lot of FFLs extend courtesy pricing to other industry people. Yes we have suppressors, and we have a ton and we've sold a ton. Probably 300+ cans in the last two or three months. You guys are upset that us and several other dealers have large amounts of suppressors to go hand in hand with short wait times? I don't have to give a lower away, they sell just fine on their own. I do it because the it's a hard to get item from a backorder from August 2021. I could also just put the few up on the website and have the people with bots setup buy them like always? There are a lot of great dealers in the space, I am trying to reward customers who choose to spend their hard earned money with me. There seems to be this disconnect - just because things are in stock doesn't mean people are not buying. I told this to people last year that cans would be on the shelves and normalized in just months when they actually hit their production stride on the new line. If you want to be the first person to get one, yeah you're going to have to be lucky on a drop or pay GB prices. Or you can just wait when they're plentiful. I tell this to potential customers and current customers all the time. I also have sold some MCQs under dealer cost on GB on penny auctions, and I sold a SR-25 6.5 Complete FDE rifle for $5,000 on GB in the peak of the pandemic. I also sold a couple of my personal MK11 suppressors to buy finger printing software for the new E-Forms when they launched. So you can post my successful GB auctions, but you should also see the ones that are good deals because they happen too. It's the free market. I'm sure people will just say "well you just put the stuff you can't sell on GB" while in the same sentence complain if we put something that would sell on GB for a lot. I wish we had more to sell too dude, but in the same sentence of saying we don't have stuff to sell you're saying we have too many suppressors? The hard part is a lot of people are new to KAC and weren't around before the pandemic. The way we ordered parts was a lot different, and I would order things based on demand. Things like KAC bipods, SR-30s, KAC suppressors, IWS lowers, etc...were not huge sellers. I'm all ears to your suggestions, if you want to call me or even come visit the shop I will host you. We have whiskey and cigars and some cool KAC stuff. |
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On a more serious note and memes aside, I think this is an interesting discussion. I want to preface my input with saying that as a vendor, I can't speak for any other vendors. I don't really have any insight as to how other shops are structured and how they operate. I also don't really keep tabs on what other shops are doing.
Originally Posted By AKR: Dealers are in business to make money, so when they see the product they sell at MSRP get sold on the secondary market for 2-3x shortly thereafter for how many years, what do people expect? ... Why should the dealers let someone else make the money? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AKR: Dealers are in business to make money, so when they see the product they sell at MSRP get sold on the secondary market for 2-3x shortly thereafter for how many years, what do people expect? ... Why should the dealers let someone else make the money? Originally Posted By Crash1433: Why would they sell it for less than the market demand is? Reading this thread, I may be in the minority, but I like to list products somewhere between MAP and MSRP. Sure, we could make more money, but I love seeing new guys get into KAC. I love being the link between KAC and guys who are getting into KAC for the first time. It brings me a personal level of excitement when new KAC owners understand the hype and have that 'lightbulb' moment. I remember buying my first KAC when I was 20 in 2015. It was a lot of money for me at the time, but shameless plug for Charlie @ Operation Parts for getting me squared away with a good price. The secondhand scalping is definitely a problem. While it seems impossible to stop, I try to do what I can to curb and prevent it. I keep a list of guys who are banned from buying KAC stuff from us. I also limited people to one upper during the times it was impossible to find stuff. We have since lifted those buying limits, but we'll likely to have to limit people again when KS stuff starts showing up so we can spread the love around :) |
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Originally Posted By Rooftop: On a more serious note and memes aside, I think this is an interesting discussion. I want to preface my input with saying that as a vendor, I can't speak for any other vendors. I don't really have any insight as to how other shops are structured and how they operate. I also don't really keep tabs on what other shops are doing. Reading this thread, I may be in the minority, but I like to list products somewhere between MAP and MSRP. Sure, we could make more money, but I love seeing new guys get into KAC. I love being the link between KAC and guys who are getting into KAC for the first time. It brings me a personal level of excitement when new KAC owners understand the hype and have that 'lightbulb' moment. I remember buying my first KAC when I was 20 in 2015. It was a lot of money for me at the time, but shameless plug for Charlie @ Operation Parts for getting me squared away with a good price. The secondhand scalping is definitely a problem. While it seems impossible to stop, I try to do what I can to curb and prevent it. I keep a list of guys who are banned from buying KAC stuff from us. I also limited people to one upper during the times it was impossible to find stuff. We have since lifted those buying limits, but we'll likely to have to limit people again when KS stuff starts showing up so we can spread the love around :) View Quote Any chance of you doing backorder lists? |
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Originally Posted By RedFox1911: Any chance of you doing backorder lists? View Quote I have historically stayed away from working down a list just because it can create new problems at times, stuff like a customer doesn't see the email in like a week and replies after their held item has been sold to somebody else. However, it's something I'm mulling over and reconsidering. No promises though! |
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Sol may ignore my DMs but at the end of the day I can count on him not to price gouge the fuck out of me when I'm trying to buy something. Appreciate you, Sol :)
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Guess I'm glad I got most of my KAC stuff at a reasonable $ before the madness hit. I'm local to Charlie at Operation Parts. Although his inventory is usually low, he's always been fair. I remember getting the SR16 commercial uppers for $1500 from Rifle Gear. 2018 I think.
I've got some from Presample, Rooftop and Enterprise as well. Always good experiences. Anyway. I don't really get the complaining. It's supply and demand. If you don't wanna pay the triple tapped price than don't buy it. |
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Originally Posted By Rooftop: I have historically stayed away from working down a list just because it can create new problems at times, stuff like a customer doesn't see the email in like a week and replies after their held item has been sold to somebody else. However, it's something I'm mulling over and reconsidering. No promises though! View Quote What about other ramen flavors? ![]() (Back on topic now.) |
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Originally Posted By Marksman14: Yeah I vote chili and beef personally ![]() But hey, when I'm buying gun parts and my wife asks me what I'm doing, and I respond with "grocery shopping", thanks to Rooftop, I'm not lying. View Quote I told mine the other day the ramen was an apology for a long back order and I certainly didn’t buy new gun parts. She bought it. ![]() |
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Originally Posted By snm: Trey Knight says they want to allocate product to their best dealers as it becomes available and try to deal with the gouging situation (https://youtu.be/n8Ml1kd5IeQ?t=384). Arms Unlimited, who is listed as a KAC dealer on KAC's site, puts up an IWS SR15 lower marked as "SALE" for $1999. When is this shit going to end @Jack_L ? Bad enough we see KAC products scalped on Gunbroker, but now KAC listed dealers are pulling this shit too. View Quote AU has a history of pulling this shit...ask me how I know. |
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Originally Posted By snm: Sol may ignore my DMs but at the end of the day I can count on him not to price gouge the fuck out of me when I'm trying to buy something. Appreciate you, Sol :) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By snm: Sol may ignore my DMs but at the end of the day I can count on him not to price gouge the fuck out of me when I'm trying to buy something. Appreciate you, Sol :) Doh -- I'm sorry about that, dude! I'm not very active on social media in general. However, if you shoot me an email, I promise that you'll get a response before I head to bed for the night. Every now and then, I don't reply over the weekend, but I'm generally very, very on top of emails. I appreciate your kind words and vote of confidence :) Originally Posted By -OdieGreen-: I told mine the other day the ramen was an apology for a long back order and I certainly didn’t buy new gun parts. 1000 IQ strategy, LOL |
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In case anyone cares, the sr-15 lower on AU is no longer available. The product reviews were hilarious, but they gone too.
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Originally Posted By Advance: KAC and Porsche have the same issue. Is it fair to restrict the dealers when the private buyers are just there to flip? Can KAC increase volume without interfering with .mil contracts? I don't think so. They are looking at a forbidden money tree. They could take 100% of civ production straight to auction and let the free market decide but that would cut out their loyal dealer network who also act as a CS buffer. All said and done... It is still a good problem for KAC to have and they've been dealing with it for over 10 years so we're all used to it. View Quote I paid a good amount over msrp for my GT3 and i can get what i paid for any given day. My budget met the price market is demanding. I can do the same with an RS but i do not want to. Anyways… I am glad to see the market forced these tards out and the guns are out of their tax bracket 😂 |
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Originally Posted By xxflyingturtlexx: I paid a good amount over msrp for my GT3 and i can get what i paid for any given day. My budget met the price market is demanding. I can do the same with an RS but i do not want to. Anyways… I am glad to see the market forced these tards out and the guns are out of their tax bracket 😂 View Quote Lol, Porsche drivers always telling the world they drive a Porsche…. Vroom vroom! |
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When you go to buy your next car, do you return to the dealer that treated you fairly, or the one that wanted to mark up the last potential purchase because it was a newly released model? The buyer has a say in who they do business with. There are good businesses out there, including ones that have been unfairly disparaged in this thread. These are the sellers that will have staying power when things get hard, as they've built a reputation. I put myself on wait-lists, and pull the trigger when it's my turn. They get my business both big and small, and I choose not to do business with those I view as disreputable.
Two threads by two low post accounts whining about the same thing, in what is normally a quiet but informative section. It would be good for it to return to the latter. |
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Originally Posted By Crash1433: This. Why would they sell it for less than the market demand is? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Crash1433: Originally Posted By AKR: I will say this. Dealers are in business to make money, so when they see the product they sell at MSRP get sold on the secondary market for 2-3x shortly thereafter for how many years, what do people expect? This is the par for the course. Why should the dealers let someone else make the money? Just saying.` This. Why would they sell it for less than the market demand is? That was my takeaway from OP anyway: "Waaaaaah, sell me luxury shit below market pricing so I can flip it and make a couple hundred bucks!" We're not exactly talking about gasoline or survival supplies in a disaster zone here lol. Go buy another rifle if you can't afford KAC pricing. That's what I do lol |
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Regarding #3 he might be referring to the Lawmen’s 2023 Black Friday Event.
I was in your discord. I went to this event. I arrived at 9pm on Thanksgiving and was first in line. I bought one of the five 14.5” 6.5CM uppers that they have for sale. The 4 people behind me each bought one as well since lawmen’s limited those uppers and the 22” uppers to one person. 3rd person in line was a guy named Chafic and 2nd guy in line was his friend. NS Defense was 4th in line and he brought some buddies with him that made up 5, 6, and 7 if I’m not mistaken. From what I heard, Chafic bought the upper from 2nd guy in line and listed it on GB for $15k. Not sure what NS Defense did with his uppers. I bought that upper for a friend who wasn't going to be able to make the event and wanted the upper. I sold it him for what I paid for. |
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I just want a KS1 at MSRP 🤣😂 oh and yeah a new 14.5 6.5 dimpled upper MSRP I guess that’s asking way too much!
Willing to sell my children (Joke) enter into damnation make deal with devil 😂 I like KaC stuff but my god it hurts my wallet. ![]() |
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