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The Partition is an excellent choice. It always is..... Its my favorite bullet. Period. Short story: the Federal 180 Partition Load is a ideal bear load in 308 Win. End of story..
Long story, if you want the background: The partition tends to be a bit "softer" that other "premium" bullets like the Barnes TSx or TTSX or some of the newer monolithic lead-free bullets, so it will reliably open and expand well at speeds that are somewhat too low for these other bullets. And the rear half will always stay intact, and not over expand. Absolutely worse case scenario, you push a partition too hard or too fast. You will loose the front core, and it will completely wipe off. However, the rear core will stay in tact and keep penetrating. This won't happen in a 308 Win, but its a testament to the versatility of the bullet... The partition will perform acceptably at speeds so high that many other bullets fail, and yet will also operate and speeds so low that some bullets won't expand. Its perhaps the most forgiving premium bullet on the market.For what its worth, the go to bullet in my 280AI is a 160 Nosler Partition. Mine are loaded to just a shade over 3000 fps.... I've got a few hundred of them loaded.... And on Moose hunts, my bullet has ALWAYS been a partition, regardless of caliber (308 Win, 7mm Rem Mag, 30-06, and 350 Rem Mag) Take your pic. you cannot go wrong with a 180 Partition out of the 308win on bears. For that matter, its a really decent combination on moose too.... For my uses, I tend to use the 308 as a deer gun more than a moose or bear gun. Deer aren't as heavily constructed, so I prefer a bit more rapid expansion and dont need three feet of penetration. Simply moving to a 165 gives me more velocity, somewhat faster and more dramatic expansion, and a bit less theoretical penetration (that I dont need anyhow. how much of the hillside beyond the deer do I need to kill?). Ive got several boxes of 165's loaded for my 308 (my regular dedicated deer bullet is the Ballistic Tip in a 165. Having partitions in the same weight means less variation if I switch loads and move to the partition). My particular rifle (Rem Model Seven , 20" barrel) tends to be a bit slow too. The 150, 200 fps I gain from a 165 gives me a somewhat wider, more violent expansion so I'm damaging more tissue , while the partition construction method means I get a rear core that keeps on going. I can't show you one that I've pulled out of game, because they have alway completely exited. A 165 or 180 Partition in the 308 Win is a fantastic choice. Take your pic. Unless you do a complete frontal shot (bear heading to you) or a full on running away, I seriously doubt you'll ever recover one. the 165 will move a little faster, and give you a bit more dramatic expansion. The 180 will move slower, and as a result, expansion will be somewhat less explosive, but give you more penetration. No black bear will ever know the difference. Move into animals weighing 500, 600+ lbs and the added penetration of the 180 might be an advantage, but I doubt its a material difference on a black bear... The only time there will be a difference between the 165 and the 180 out of a 308 Win will be at long range. At some point, waaaayyyy out at long range, the bullet will drop to about 1800 - 1900 fps. At that point the Partition will stop opening well. Here is an example: Stick a 165 Partition in a 308 and launch it at 2800. At 500 yards it drops to 1800 fps. At that point, even if you hit your game animal, the bullet will not reliably expand. Its going to act like a non-fragmenting FMJ. Now take a 180 Partition, and fire it out of the same gun. Initial velocity is probably more like 2600 fps. Because the 180 started slower, the 180 will drop to that same minimum 1800 FPS limit at about 450 yards... In other words, the 180 stops being effective about 50 yards closer. I dont shoot game at 400, 500 yards, so this is largely irrelevant... I like having a margin of error, or a little insurance. I'd much rather have a 2000 fps impact speed than a 1800. now it gets interesting.... My carbine is short barreled, and its "slow". I'm lucky to get 2450 with a 180 in my carbine. Now I have a problem: If I shoot 180s at 2450, I hit the 2000 fps self imposed "floor" at a mere 260 yards..... Thats not 'far'. Thats a realistic shot I've taken, and made, a number of times. I'd be somewhat second guessing that 280 yard shot on a nice animal, hoping the bullet would perform well. If I use the 165 Partition, I can get about 2650, 2660 muzzle velocity, which is significantly higher. I hit the self imposed 2000 fps minimum impact speed "floor" at about 325 yards. Its not "long range", but its long enough. I prefer having a 325 yard "limit" over a 260 yard limit. I'd purely self imposed, and its a limit that has a building in margin or error, and little insurance if you will. And for me, and my purposes, the extra range afforded by the 165 makes this lighter bullet a better choice. Its the only reason why I like the 165 more than the 180. If I had a 24" barrel on my 308 Win, the above would be irrelevant. The longer barrel would give me the muzzle velocity to stay above 2000 fps all the way to 300 yards. However, if you've got a little 16, 18, 20" barrel, and your muzzle velocities are correspondingly low, you can potentially find yourself putting bullets on game at 250, 275, 300 yards and not getting quite the sort of performance you expected... I hope this sort of gives you a little to ponder... Most black bears are shot over bait, and at ranges that usually seem to be well under 100 yards. Under these conditions, there would be no functional difference between a 165 and a 180... The only issue with Partitions right now is availability. In any caliber, and any grain weight, its almost impossible to find a Nosler bullet in stock as a reload component just about anywhere. |
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Originally Posted By frozenny: The Partition is an excellent choice. It always is..... Its my favorite bullet. Period. Short story: the Federal 180 Partition Load is a ideal bear load in 308 Win. End of story.. Long story, if you want the background: The partition tends to be a bit "softer" that other "premium" bullets like the Barnes TSx or TTSX or some of the newer monolithic lead-free bullets, so it will reliably open and expand well at speeds that are somewhat too low for these other bullets. And the rear half will always stay intact, and not over expand. Absolutely worse case scenario, you push a partition too hard or too fast. You will loose the front core, and it will completely wipe off. However, the rear core will stay in tact and keep penetrating. This won't happen in a 308 Win, but its a testament to the versatility of the bullet... The partition will perform acceptably at speeds so high that many other bullets fail, and yet will also operate and speeds so low that some bullets won't expand. Its perhaps the most forgiving premium bullet on the market.For what its worth, the go to bullet in my 280AI is a 160 Nosler Partition. Mine are loaded to just a shade over 3000 fps.... I've got a few hundred of them loaded.... And on Moose hunts, my bullet has ALWAYS been a partition, regardless of caliber (308 Win, 7mm Rem Mag, 30-06, and 350 Rem Mag) Take your pic. you cannot go wrong with a 180 Partition out of the 308win on bears. For that matter, its a really decent combination on moose too.... For my uses, I tend to use the 308 as a deer gun more than a moose or bear gun. Deer aren't as heavily constructed, so I prefer a bit more rapid expansion and dont need three feet of penetration. Simply moving to a 165 gives me more velocity, somewhat faster and more dramatic expansion, and a bit less theoretical penetration (that I dont need anyhow. how much of the hillside beyond the deer do I need to kill?). Ive got several boxes of 165's loaded for my 308 (my regular dedicated deer bullet is the Ballistic Tip in a 165. Having partitions in the same weight means less variation if I switch loads and move to the partition). My particular rifle (Rem Model Seven , 20" barrel) tends to be a bit slow too. The 150, 200 fps I gain from a 165 gives me a somewhat wider, more violent expansion so I'm damaging more tissue , while the partition construction method means I get a rear core that keeps on going. I can't show you one that I've pulled out of game, because they have alway completely exited. A 165 or 180 Partition in the 308 Win is a fantastic choice. Take your pic. Unless you do a complete frontal shot (bear heading to you) or a full on running away, I seriously doubt you'll ever recover one. the 165 will move a little faster, and give you a bit more dramatic expansion. The 180 will move slower, and as a result, expansion will be somewhat less explosive, but give you more penetration. No black bear will ever know the difference. Move into animals weighing 500, 600+ lbs and the added penetration of the 180 might be an advantage, but I doubt its a material difference on a black bear... The only time there will be a difference between the 165 and the 180 out of a 308 Win will be at long range. At some point, waaaayyyy out at long range, the bullet will drop to about 1800 - 1900 fps. At that point the Partition will stop opening well. Here is an example: Stick a 165 Partition in a 308 and launch it at 2800. At 500 yards it drops to 1800 fps. At that point, even if you hit your game animal, the bullet will not reliably expand. Its going to act like a non-fragmenting FMJ. Now take a 180 Partition, and fire it out of the same gun. Initial velocity is probably more like 2600 fps. Because the 180 started slower, the 180 will drop to that same minimum 1800 FPS limit at about 450 yards... In other words, the 180 stops being effective about 50 yards closer. I dont shoot game at 400, 500 yards, so this is largely irrelevant... I like having a margin of error, or a little insurance. I'd much rather have a 2000 fps impact speed than a 1800. now it gets interesting.... My carbine is short barreled, and its "slow". I'm lucky to get 2450 with a 180 in my carbine. Now I have a problem: If I shoot 180s at 2450, I hit the 2000 fps self imposed "floor" at a mere 260 yards..... Thats not 'far'. Thats a realistic shot I've taken, and made, a number of times. I'd be somewhat second guessing that 280 yard shot on a nice animal, hoping the bullet would perform well. If I use the 165 Partition, I can get about 2650, 2660 muzzle velocity, which is significantly higher. I hit the self imposed 2000 fps minimum impact speed "floor" at about 325 yards. Its not "long range", but its long enough. I prefer having a 325 yard "limit" over a 260 yard limit. I'd purely self imposed, and its a limit that has a building in margin or error, and little insurance if you will. And for me, and my purposes, the extra range afforded by the 165 makes this lighter bullet a better choice. Its the only reason why I like the 165 more than the 180. If I had a 24" barrel on my 308 Win, the above would be irrelevant. The longer barrel would give me the muzzle velocity to stay above 2000 fps all the way to 300 yards. However, if you've got a little 16, 18, 20" barrel, and your muzzle velocities are correspondingly low, you can potentially find yourself putting bullets on game at 250, 275, 300 yards and not getting quite the sort of performance you expected... I hope this sort of gives you a little to ponder... Most black bears are shot over bait, and at ranges that usually seem to be well under 100 yards. Under these conditions, there would be no functional difference between a 165 and a 180... The only issue with Partitions right now is availability. In any caliber, and any grain weight, its almost impossible to find a Nosler bullet in stock as a reload component just about anywhere. View Quote @frozenny Thank you! Excellent, clear write-up! The bait will be at 90 yards or less, and may be as close as 26 yards, but I can have shots up to 180 yards as it’s a field surrounded by forest. The gun will be my Ruger M77 Mark II in .308 which has a 22” barrel. I think given what you’ve posted, I can go with the 180gr Nosler Partition. In fact, I can’t find any loaded ammo in stock except for the 180gr. No loaded 165gr anywhere. So I’ll have to jump on it soon! |
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c-4:
22" barrel will give you the velocity you need. At your anticipated ranges (with a comfortable margin), you'll get excellent expansion, will never over stress this bullet, and it will work well... Do it. This load would be appropriate for anything up thru moose under the conditions you describe. I'd hunt that combination in that situation with 100% confidence. Fro |
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Originally Posted By frozenny: c-4: 22" barrel will give you the velocity you need. At your anticipated ranges (with a comfortable margin), you'll get excellent expansion, will never over stress this bullet, and it will work well... Do it. This load would be appropriate for anything up thru moose under the conditions you describe. I'd hunt that combination in that situation with 100% confidence. Fro View Quote Thank you! |
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My first choice would be heaviest monometal bullet your rifle can stabilize. I prefer the Barnes TSX or TTSX.
If I were to use a normal bullet it would again be the heaviest bullet I could stabilize in the following order. Trophy Bonded whatever Federal calls it now Swift A Frame Nosler Partition. I would suspect you could stabilize a 180 gr and weight and shank length are what get you penetration. |
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Originally Posted By Hasher1: My first choice would be heaviest monometal bullet your rifle can stabilize. I prefer the Barnes TSX or TTSX. If I were to use a normal bullet it would again be the heaviest bullet I could stabilize in the following order. Trophy Bonded whatever Federal calls it now Swift A Frame Nosler Partition. I would suspect you could stabilize a 180 gr and weight and shank length are what get you penetration. View Quote @Hasher1 Thank you. The monometal is getting a lot of votes. I think I will end up sticking with the Nosler 180gr, though I also bought Rem core-lokt 180gr as well. But now you’ve tempted me, especially since it’s in stock and not too expensive https://www.targetsportsusa.com/federal-premium-308-winchester-ammo-165-grain-barnes-tsx-hollow-point-p308h-p-109572.aspx |
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Remington Core Lokt 180 grain round nose soft point. It seems to be what lots of the old timers use up here.
It's all I use in my 308. Shots in the north country of NH aren't long. This one if you can find it Attached File |
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I like bonded and copper bullets for game any bigger and tougher than a deer. Anything 165-180gr should do the trick pretty nicely. .308 is a great choice for black bear.
Black bear hide, muscle and bone can be pretty tough. Sure shot placement is more important, but it helps to have the right gun and ammo. Some animals just seem to be very resistant to death. |
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Originally Posted By C-4: @Hasher1 Thank you. The monometal is getting a lot of votes. I think I will end up sticking with the Nosler 180gr, though I also bought Rem core-lokt 180gr as well. But now you’ve tempted me, especially since it’s in stock and not too expensive https://www.targetsportsusa.com/federal-premium-308-winchester-ammo-165-grain-barnes-tsx-hollow-point-p308h-p-109572.aspx View Quote I have used that exact bullet multiple times in Africa and it’s my go to on EK as well. I just shoot it our of an 06 instead. |
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Originally Posted By Hasher1: I have used that exact bullet multiple times in Africa and it’s my go to on EK as well. I just shoot it our of an 06 instead. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Hasher1: Originally Posted By C-4: @Hasher1 Thank you. The monometal is getting a lot of votes. I think I will end up sticking with the Nosler 180gr, though I also bought Rem core-lokt 180gr as well. But now you’ve tempted me, especially since it’s in stock and not too expensive https://www.targetsportsusa.com/federal-premium-308-winchester-ammo-165-grain-barnes-tsx-hollow-point-p308h-p-109572.aspx I have used that exact bullet multiple times in Africa and it’s my go to on EK as well. I just shoot it our of an 06 instead. My friend that owns the property I will be hunting also shoots 06. I’ve thought about it but at the distances I am shooting I am satisfied with .308. |
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Originally Posted By FirstComm: 165gr Nosler Partition. He went about 5 feet. DRT https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/304670/D063CC9F-67DE-45F9-8F32-687064FCF925_jpe-2557549.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/304670/752EE07D-B71C-40E6-9EC1-D39A93E270BB_jpe-2557552.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/304670/B9C863F5-ABF2-49BD-A519-44A147256286_jpe-2557554.JPG View Quote This was my choice too. Nosler Partitions are fantastic big game loads. I bought a 338 Remington Ultra Mag a few years back. The 200gr Partition out of that was somewhere in the 2975 FPS range. I’d be fine with that cartridge on the largest grizzly out there. |
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What is written is my opinion, and my opinion only.
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I have firearm bear starting next weekend, and I'm still undecided on what I'm going to use.
My zero-doubt dead-nuts bolt gun is a 270 and I have some solid copper 130gr for that. That's not under-gunned for a Michigan black bear is it? I have a .44mag single shot Henry that is quite accurate and I've killed deer with it, though it's only irons, and being single shot it is nice and short which would be helpful where I'm hunting. Another alternative is my my 30-06 bolt gun, but it is much bigger and heavier. I have Ruger Americans in 350 Legend and 450 BM, but they are relatively new and I'm not sure I want to do my bear hunt with a new rifle, I'll save those for deer season. Thoughts? |
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I’ve shot zero bears but I’d use 180 grain for extra penetration. I have a box of Remington 308 180 grain round nose corelokts in case I ever go on a bear hunt.
Best of luck and update us when you get one. |
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Good job.
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Awesome to see! Congrats!
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Thanks, guys!
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Congratulations C-4, quite the memorable experience!
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Thanks, guys!
I learned a lot. But there is still a lot of black bear behavior that is a mystery to me. One day in early September, it was 93F and a large male came in to the feeder at 6:40pm. Then the same bear became mostly nocturnal. It’s difficult to pattern what they will do. |
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Congrats. Great video. I think you got Goliath or at least his twin brother.
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Originally Posted By ruffhowzer: Congrats. Great video. I think you got Goliath or at least his twin brother. View Quote Thank you! The game cameras are still up though baiting had stopped 9/28 as that was the last day for legal baiting. No more sighting of any bears on camera since I shot mine on 9/15. |
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Nice bear and video! Congratulations! Which NH ZONE are you hunting in? I’m in I1 (west central) and although I didn’t bait this year (recovering from surgery) I did have some nice bears on cam locally. I also have a “Goliath” that appears now and then. It sure seems like they are bigger than we think though…I would have estimated yiur bear to be at least 300 dressed.
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Thanks for a great write up, hunt, and thread.
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Originally Posted By Hillcountry: Nice bear and video! Congratulations! Which NH ZONE are you hunting in? I’m in I1 (west central) and although I didn’t bait this year (recovering from surgery) I did have some nice bears on cam locally. I also have a “Goliath” that appears now and then. It sure seems like they are bigger than we think though…I would have estimated yiur bear to be at least 300 dressed. View Quote @Hillcountry Zone H1 in Plainfield, so directly west from you. There is a lot of corn grown along the river so it’s really good apparently for the bear. As you know, hunting NH is tough! I live in J2 but I don’t have property big enough to bait myself. There is some nice land in conservation very close which is where I deer hunt, and I have permission for deer stands. Good luck with your recovery and definitely get out next year for bear! |
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“Imagine if the Great Depression and Mad Max had a baby.” ~ KingRat |
Hi
I just figured out the “mentioned” area where you can see someone’s answer yto your question. I am Familiar with Plainfield as a friend of my late father lived there. Last time I was there was many years ago maybe In the 1960’s? Anyway, we had a camp in Norwich VT where we hunted for years but sold it many years ago as well. I m feeling well enough that I am going to put some cams out where I hunt on my land and my neighbors land. Muzzleloader is right around the corner! Good luck! |
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Originally Posted By Hillcountry: Hi I just figured out the “mentioned” area where you can see someone’s answer yto your question. I am Familiar with Plainfield as a friend of my late father lived there. Last time I was there was many years ago maybe In the 1960’s? Anyway, we had a camp in Norwich VT where we hunted for years but sold it many years ago as well. I m feeling well enough that I am going to put some cams out where I hunt on my land and my neighbors land. Muzzleloader is right around the corner! Good luck! View Quote @Hillcountry J2 has a ton of acorns and so does H1. My guess is you have a ton as well. I hunt a 3-acre “oak forest” surrounded by beach, birch and hemlock. There are 2 game trails that come through there. I’m trying to hold out for something big this year! |
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There are some acorns but not loaded in my little area. 10 miles away they’re loaded!
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Nice bear OP. Thanks for sharing!
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Originally Posted By C-4: I have made some chili several times (I apologize for the beans but more of a filler to feed the son who eats meat). The meat is great! I am ecstatic since some bears, especially if they get into garbage, taste awful and you don't know until you get your first bite. This was shot at ~ 6:05pm, gutted and put on ice, then to the butcher the next morning so we were careful about handling the meat. My friend whose property I hunted won't eat bear because of the fear of trichinosis. Drives me crazy with it. IIRC, there are 5 species of trichinosis in the U.S. Of those, 3 are killed by deep freeze, but the other 2 are not so you must either pasteurize the meat at 137F for at least 90 minutes, or bring all parts up to 160F, similar to pork. But if you make a chili, you're cooking to the boiling point of water 221F so it's perfectly safe. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_0785-3085833.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_0791-3085831.jpg I'd like to make some meatballs, and I also have some of the bear that was made into corned bear meat. I followed a YouTube video on how to make bear lard. Cut the partially frozen fat into small pieces. Heat it to 225F to 300F. Try to keep on the lower end. I was between 225F and 260F. I was careful because I didn't want to burn it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/RenderedImage-3085826.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/RenderedImage-3085825.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/RenderedImage-3085824.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_1851-3085823.jpg *****I was very careful with the hot lard.***** I let the jars cool for a bit before trying to handle them. Once I cooked it down, I used a small ladle/spoon to pour the fat through a metal funnel that has a removable screen + 4 layers of cheese cloth. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/RenderedImage-3085822.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/RenderedImage-3085820.jpg The liquid lard is light amber in color and then becomes a white opaque color as it cools. You can see one jar getting opaque as it cools. It will stay solid at room temperature, but I froze it. It will last indefinitely frozen, months in the refrigerator, and ? weeks on the counter. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_1859-3085819.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_1857-3085818.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_1860-3085817.jpg I have a label maker so labeled them. My huge pet peeve is when people put stuff in the freezer but don't label the package with what it is and when it was put in! I had it on the deck since we have had freezing weather, then moved it to the freezer. The YouTube video I found recommends using 1/2 pint jars, and move them from the freezer to the refrigerator when using it. I got a total of 7 full jars and a half one that I will use up. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_1861-3085816.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_1901-3085803.jpg I have quite a bit more to cook down but I got the hang of it! View Quote Nice. Never sweated trichinosis as we cook bear well. Also paid attention to who was cooking. Black bear breakfast sausage is really good. Seal oil is much easier. Stores for a long time in the freezer. Just have to watch for blood in it. The blood will make the oil go rancid. |
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Originally Posted By akcaribouhunter: Nice. Never sweated trichinosis as we cook bear well. Also paid attention to who was cooking. Black bear breakfast sausage is really good. Seal oil is much easier. Stores for a long time in the freezer. Just have to watch for blood in it. The blood will make the oil go rancid. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By akcaribouhunter: Originally Posted By C-4: I have made some chili several times (I apologize for the beans but more of a filler to feed the son who eats meat). The meat is great! I am ecstatic since some bears, especially if they get into garbage, taste awful and you don't know until you get your first bite. This was shot at ~ 6:05pm, gutted and put on ice, then to the butcher the next morning so we were careful about handling the meat. My friend whose property I hunted won't eat bear because of the fear of trichinosis. Drives me crazy with it. IIRC, there are 5 species of trichinosis in the U.S. Of those, 3 are killed by deep freeze, but the other 2 are not so you must either pasteurize the meat at 137F for at least 90 minutes, or bring all parts up to 160F, similar to pork. But if you make a chili, you're cooking to the boiling point of water 221F so it's perfectly safe. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_0785-3085833.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_0791-3085831.jpg I'd like to make some meatballs, and I also have some of the bear that was made into corned bear meat. I followed a YouTube video on how to make bear lard. Cut the partially frozen fat into small pieces. Heat it to 225F to 300F. Try to keep on the lower end. I was between 225F and 260F. I was careful because I didn't want to burn it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/RenderedImage-3085826.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/RenderedImage-3085825.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/RenderedImage-3085824.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_1851-3085823.jpg *****I was very careful with the hot lard.***** I let the jars cool for a bit before trying to handle them. Once I cooked it down, I used a small ladle/spoon to pour the fat through a metal funnel that has a removable screen + 4 layers of cheese cloth. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/RenderedImage-3085822.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/RenderedImage-3085820.jpg The liquid lard is light amber in color and then becomes a white opaque color as it cools. You can see one jar getting opaque as it cools. It will stay solid at room temperature, but I froze it. It will last indefinitely frozen, months in the refrigerator, and ? weeks on the counter. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_1859-3085819.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_1857-3085818.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_1860-3085817.jpg I have a label maker so labeled them. My huge pet peeve is when people put stuff in the freezer but don't label the package with what it is and when it was put in! I had it on the deck since we have had freezing weather, then moved it to the freezer. The YouTube video I found recommends using 1/2 pint jars, and move them from the freezer to the refrigerator when using it. I got a total of 7 full jars and a half one that I will use up. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_1861-3085816.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_1901-3085803.jpg I have quite a bit more to cook down but I got the hang of it! Nice. Never sweated trichinosis as we cook bear well. Also paid attention to who was cooking. Black bear breakfast sausage is really good. Seal oil is much easier. Stores for a long time in the freezer. Just have to watch for blood in it. The blood will make the oil go rancid. Got it! @akcaribouhunter Do you render the seal fat to make oil/lard, or just freeze it as is? |
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Originally Posted By C-4: Got it! @akcaribouhunter Do you render the seal fat to make oil/lard, or just freeze it as is? View Quote It is jarred and put in the freezer. Most of the fat after rendering is put back in the seal oil jars. It is eaten. All done in a 5gal bucket in the back room. Old way was to use seal skin or stomach to render. |
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Originally Posted By akcaribouhunter: My wife renders the fat for the oil. It is jarred and put in the freezer. Most of the fat after rendering is put back in the seal oil jars. It is eaten. All done in a 5gal bucket in the back room. Old way was to use seal skin or stomach to render. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By akcaribouhunter: Originally Posted By C-4: Got it! @akcaribouhunter Do you render the seal fat to make oil/lard, or just freeze it as is? It is jarred and put in the freezer. Most of the fat after rendering is put back in the seal oil jars. It is eaten. All done in a 5gal bucket in the back room. Old way was to use seal skin or stomach to render. Wow, that’s awesome! |
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Originally Posted By C-4: I got the skull back and had it done professionally and it came out very nice! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_2557-3189407.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/IMG_2558-3189408.jpg View Quote Nice |
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