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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:10:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Princeton: I’ve been following this thread with much interest as I have an Obsidian 45 that should be delivered to me some time this week. Is it just the 9mm Obsidian cans that are having this issue? You should be fine shooting 9mm in it as long as you dont put a 9mm endcap on it. 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:53:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DMG-LDS: You should be fine shooting 9mm in it as long as you dont put a 9mm endcap on it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DMG-LDS: Originally Posted By Princeton: I’ve been following this thread with much interest as I have an Obsidian 45 that should be delivered to me some time this week. Is it just the 9mm Obsidian cans that are having this issue? You should be fine shooting 9mm in it as long as you dont put a 9mm endcap on it. Actually, bought it for a dedicated .45 ACP PCC AR. Probably won’t ever take it off or put in on any other gun. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:33:24 AM EDT
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It's coming up on 2 weeks with no comms....hopefully I hear something soon.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:48:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JTR: Does anyone know of any other non 22lr cans that have all the clips aligned like this? As for the Obsidian being the only pistol can needing teflon tape on threads, that, too, was normal before EZ Lok. It’s a bummer that this can is having these problems. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:14:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By d16man: It's coming up on 2 weeks with no comms....hopefully I hear something soon. Send them an email and ask for an update. I received a reply the following day when I contacted them through their site this weekend. Granted I think about 99.87% of the reply was standard copy/paste. They’re mailing me an end cap, if it happens again I’ll have to send the suppressor in. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:03:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SIGthusiast]
[#6]
My can was tight and was using EZ-Lok for both of my strikes. I don't think the threads they use contibute to the issue.
Also, I'm not sure it's just an end cap strike. Following this second strike I emptied a bunch of jacket material and lead from my can. And the carbon was cleaned from the inner parts of the baffles. None of the baffles seem injured though. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:56:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SIGthusiast: My can was tight and was using EZ-Lok for both of my strikes. I don't think the threads they use contibute to the issue. Also, I'm not sure it's just an end cap strike. Following this second strike I emptied a bunch of jacket material and lead from my can. And the carbon was cleaned from the inner parts of the baffles. None of the baffles seem injured though. That does not make me feel better about using this can. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:00:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Send them an email and ask for an update. I received a reply the following day when I contacted them through their site this weekend. Granted I think about 99.87% of the reply was standard copy/paste. They’re mailing me an end cap, if it happens again I’ll have to send the suppressor in. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By d16man: It's coming up on 2 weeks with no comms....hopefully I hear something soon. Send them an email and ask for an update. I received a reply the following day when I contacted them through their site this weekend. Granted I think about 99.87% of the reply was standard copy/paste. They’re mailing me an end cap, if it happens again I’ll have to send the suppressor in. I just emailed and told Travis I would be the test dummy if there was something design wise that needed to change so I don't eventually have to send it in a 3rd time. I wonder at what point (i.e. how many cans get sent back for repair) a design change happens so that this stops? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:01:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SIGthusiast: My can was tight and was using EZ-Lok for both of my strikes. I don't think the threads they use contibute to the issue. Also, I'm not sure it's just an end cap strike. Following this second strike I emptied a bunch of jacket material and lead from my can. And the carbon was cleaned from the inner parts of the baffles. None of the baffles seem injured though. Do you think its a "tolerances are too tight?" issue? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:55:17 PM EDT
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Emailed Travis. He said they were working on it. Then got a shipping notification. I may have it back tomorrow, Friday at the latest. Travis didn't give any other info so I guess I will have to wait on it to get back to me to see what they did.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:02:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By d16man: Do you think its a "tolerances are too tight?" issue? The fact that the pistol is in a person's hand and moving in recoil at the moment of firing, and that pistols aren't as accurate as rifles, as well as pistol cans having piston fit tolerances, the can having 3 sections (booster, tube, second tube), and that pistol cans like the Obsidian have tighter bores than rifle cans does support that tolerances being tighter and all the other factors might play a role. I'd imagine the pistol bullets are more poorly made, and the Obsidian's really aggressively obround bore could play a role too. We are bringing out a new hunting marketed welded can sort of soon and I designed that with the bore .01" larger than normal to reduce warranty work because it is welded which makes issues like this more time intensive to resolve, so it's a 9mm can with a .404 bore, .014" larger than the Obsidian- with 39% more clearance. The cap is .420" or .424" I believe again to reduce the likelihood of issues. The baffle system is pretty high performance so it won't really be louder for the bore size change. The bore on the KAC OHG was .510 when most .45 cans are .490". I'm sure that had something to do with the fact it was welded and they wanted the end users to have trouble-free use. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 11:20:57 AM EDT
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Can is out for delivery. Got a response from TJ at Rugged. Seems like a basic cut/paste response.
REPLACED ALL PARTS AND TEST FIRED(AFTER TEST FIRED NO ISSUES WERE FOUND)REPLACED BAFFLES AND END CAP SEE TIPS BELOW.Please see the information in the link below as this will help you greatly with the functionality of the firearm. The piston and spring is designed for use with a handgun only. This should never be used on a rifle/sub gun/pcc style firearm. Please see the links below, there we will have an attachments guide to explain how our attachments work as well as a list of various calibers that are compatible with our suppressors:https://ruggedsuppressors.com/faq/Flow ChartDo not install o-rings to your barrel threads. It is recommended to ensure all threaded accessories on the suppressor are secure before installation. You can do this either by hand or by using the totem multi-tool (this item is for purchase on our website). If you are using a trilug please be sure all parts of the suppressor are on tight before shooting. We recommend you check to ensure your parts are tight before use and after each mag change (this includes end cap, 3 lug cap and module). You can find our totem tool on our website under obsidian accessories which can assist with tightening the different parts of the suppressor if you feel you need a tool. Shooting 22 lr in a rifle or hand gun requires using a fixed barrel spacer and piston when using the Obsidian. We do not recommend using EZ Lok/Cam Lok products with our suppressors as they are not designed for them and we have had customers have issues with them in the past. We recommend cleaning and lubricating the exterior of the piston near the thread pitch engraving with white lithium grease for maximum effectiveness. Using standard gun oil for the rest of the threads on the suppressor will help with easy removal of parts for cleaning.It is important to keep your baffles aligned properly to get maximum sound suppression and minimal gas blow back. We recommend using two full circulations of teflon tape on your barrel threads before installing your suppressor. This will help keep the suppressor secure to your barrel. Always check to make sure your suppressor is tight after every magazine. Be aware, the faster you shoot the faster the suppressor can potentially unthread. We recommend cleaning the baffles after every thousand rounds. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 5:13:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWe do not recommend using EZ Lok/Cam Lok products with our suppressors as they are not designed for them and we have had customers have issues with them in the past. As opposed to all the success you've had with your piston... 
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Posted: 5/9/2024 6:17:41 PM EDT
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The companies have no reason to say anything else when it isn't their part, but I can say the part is a very high tolerance quality part, that in EZ Lok prevents inadvertent loosening which is a major cause of baffle strikes and grazes in pistol cans.
That's like Silencer Co saying no Griffin 3 lugs, when the issue was probably related to someone putting an HK10MM/Griffin .45 3Lug mount onto their can and putting it on a made years and years later B&T .45 with the smaller barrel end coupler. It doesn't mean our part is shit. It means their customer used the right part with the wrong interfacing part. We also sell the smaller hole B&T .45 coupler bushing. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 7:21:11 PM EDT
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I once ran a Griffin 3-lug mount in a Hybrid-46 with a .30cal front cap full auto on an MP-5. The SiCo .30 front cap is something like .405” so enough room for 9mm with perfect alignment. No issues. Good fit on the German barrel, nice strong spring, very solid lockup. If it was too loose I wouldn’t have used it.
Companies can’t check out all cross-brand combinations users might try so it isn’t throwing shade to make cautious or provincial recommendations. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 7:37:40 PM EDT
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Thread brings back memories of an older AWC abraxus. I had end cap strikes. Barrel was a barsto custom fitted and threaded by AWC.
At first the barrel was blamed, and then the Nielsen device and then it suggested I failed to properly apply the grease using the AWC tool. I can understand saying threads were not properly cut. But hearing you guys guys blame ammo. Really…how accurate does the ammo have to be six inches from the muzzle? Calling bs |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 8:07:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Green0: The companies have no reason to say anything else when it isn't their part, but I can say the part is a very high tolerance quality part, that in EZ Lok prevents inadvertent loosening which is a major cause of baffle strikes and grazes in pistol cans. That's like Silencer Co saying no Griffin 3 lugs, when the issue was probably related to someone putting an HK10MM/Griffin .45 3Lug mount onto their can and putting it on a made years and years later B&T .45 with the smaller barrel end coupler. It doesn't mean our part is shit. It means their customer used the right part with the wrong interfacing part. We also sell the smaller hole B&T .45 coupler bushing. I use your EZ lok on my PSA Dagger since my obsidian first destroyed its baffles....haven't had any issues with it. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:41:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Green0: The companies have no reason to say anything else when it isn't their part, but I can say the part is a very high tolerance quality part, that in EZ Lok prevents inadvertent loosening which is a major cause of baffle strikes and grazes in pistol cans. That's like Silencer Co saying no Griffin 3 lugs, when the issue was probably related to someone putting an HK10MM/Griffin .45 3Lug mount onto their can and putting it on a made years and years later B&T .45 with the smaller barrel end coupler. It doesn't mean our part is shit. It means their customer used the right part with the wrong interfacing part. We also sell the smaller hole B&T .45 coupler bushing. The Griffin 3 lug one is funny, because your part fit and finish was nicer than the one SilencerCo shipped. Never had an issue using the Griffin 3 Lug with an Octane45 on my MP5-40 clone. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 2:52:23 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KalmanPhilter: SiCo website shows the Octane & Octane 2.0 are both now legacy products. Apparently no more new ones are currently being made. Warranty support should still be available if you find new, old stock somewhere. Wtf I just looked. Just got my octane 9 2.0 last year and love the little guy. Pretty light and has been a good performer. I need a solid non modular 45 suppressor. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:33:36 AM EDT
[#20]
Had the same experience with an endcap strike the first time I put it on my Staccato P. My friend who works at a dealer said it happens on all of them they sell.
It just lives on my SP5 on a 3 lug mount and has no issues with that. Rugged sent me a new endcap and said to use teflon tape also.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 2:58:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By meestermurphy: Had the same experience with an endcap strike the first time I put it on my Staccato P. My friend who works at a dealer said it happens on all of them they sell. It just lives on my SP5 on a 3 lug mount and has no issues with that. Rugged sent me a new endcap and said to use teflon tape also. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/79922/IMG_4528_jpeg-3210177.JPG Really makes me wish they would just admit it's a problem and fix it. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:24:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Green0: The fact that the pistol is in a person's hand and moving in recoil at the moment of firing, and that pistols aren't as accurate as rifles, as well as pistol cans having piston fit tolerances, the can having 3 sections (booster, tube, second tube), and that pistol cans like the Obsidian have tighter bores than rifle cans does support that tolerances being tighter and all the other factors might play a role. I'd imagine the pistol bullets are more poorly made, and the Obsidian's really aggressively obround bore could play a role too. We are bringing out a new hunting marketed welded can sort of soon and I designed that with the bore .01" larger than normal to reduce warranty work because it is welded which makes issues like this more time intensive to resolve, so it's a 9mm can with a .404 bore, .014" larger than the Obsidian- with 39% more clearance. The cap is .420" or .424" I believe again to reduce the likelihood of issues. The baffle system is pretty high performance so it won't really be louder for the bore size change. The bore on the KAC OHG was .510 when most .45 cans are .490". I'm sure that had something to do with the fact it was welded and they wanted the end users to have trouble-free use. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:41:07 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AndrewKing: That’s crazy. I’ve never seen an obsidian with an end cap strike before I’ve got one on my obsidian 9 as does a friend. I personally ally don’t care, also they sell replacement end caps. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:35:44 PM EDT
[#24]
I rechecked alignment today using a new rod. Can attaches with Rugged's 3 lug. Extremely tight tolerances. Using the natural side to side movement of a 3 lug system, the rod would touch the end cap. I have the EZ Lok for PCCs on order and will see if that helps.
 
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:56:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LnWlf]
[#25]
Here’s a small data set of baffle strikes documented on reddit. I’m not the OP of this tracker
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1Z2S__YnE9zMurU4Nzk8OT6c6q_w6r3KSBZnNJh0OY5s/htmlview# |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 6:06:00 PM EDT
[#26]
I'm waiting on mine to be returned. I think I'm going to relegate mine to bedstand duty in short mode. Looking to get a Specter 9 or another TLX with a booster for my go-to range toy.
Obsidian sounds good and I know they'll fix it but I don't feel like sending it back twice a year. Not to mention having to pay 25 bucks shipping each time to get a known defect fixed. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 1:29:42 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SIGthusiast: I'm waiting on mine to be returned. I think I'm going to relegate mine to bedstand duty in short mode. Looking to get a Specter 9 or another TLX with a booster for my go-to range toy. Obsidian sounds good and I know they'll fix it but I don't feel like sending it back twice a year. Not to mention having to pay 25 bucks shipping each time to get a known defect fixed. That's why I want them to acknowledge the issue. I won't consider another Rugged partly due to the high cost of shipping it back and having to buy that on their website. |
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